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Juergen,=0D=0A=0D=0AJust I cannot have access to the CVS in the next hour=
s. Can you make the change (spring.jar instead of spring-full*.jar) in th=
e build.xml from countries?=0D=0AIf not done, also for Petclinic.=0D=0A=0D=
=0AThanks,=0D=0AJean-Pierre=0D=0A=0D=0A---------- Initial Header --------=
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rge.net=0D=0ATo          : <tri...@tr...>=0D=0ACc          : <sprin=
gfr...@li...>=0D=0ADate      : Fri, 29 Aug =
2003 14:07:02 +0200=0D=0ASubject : RE: [Springframework-developer] Exampl=
e classes needed=0D=0A=0D=0ACountdown to 1.0 M1... It's "spring" instead =
of "spring-full", and jar files with manifest entries but no version numb=
ers in the names if there aren't any serious objections in the next few h=
ours... =0D=0A=0D=0AThomas, I've just seen that you already adapted the f=
ile names in the MVC tutorial to "spring.jar". If there should be any cha=
nge of mind this afternoon, I'll care for the proper name in the tutorial=
.=0D=0A=0D=0AJuergen=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----Original Message-----=0D=0AFro=
m: tri...@tr... [mailto:tri...@tr...]=0D=0ASent: Thursday, Au=
gust 28, 2003 7:41 PM=0D=0ATo: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]=0D=0ACc: sprin=
gfr...@li...=0D=0ASubject: RE: [Springframe=
work-developer] Example classes needed=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AJuergen,=0D=0A=0D=
=0AI like the manifest entry and I also like jars without version numbers=
.=0D=0A=0D=0AThomas=0D=0A=0D=0A> I've just added a manifest entry "Spring=
-Version" to our build scripts. This=0D=0A> means that a "spring.jar" for=
 1.0 M1 will include a "Spring-Version=3D1.0m1"=0D=0A> entry in its META-=
INF/manifest.mf file. So if you've got jar files lying=0D=0A> around, you=
 can always check the exact version. With this included, I tend to=0D=0A>=
 drop version numbers even more. Thanks for the idea, Rob - I just guess =
it's=0D=0A> simpler to make a manifest entry than to include an extra fil=
e.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> We all seem to agree we prefer "spring.jar" over "sprin=
g-full.jar", but are=0D=0A> about 50:50 regarding version numbers in the =
name. So let's focus on the=0D=0A> latter: Would anyone *mind* no version=
 number in the name, given that it's=0D=0A> mentioned in the manifest fil=
e? Everyone is free to rename the files any way=0D=0A> he wants anyway, i=
t's just about the shipped jars. As for me, I would mind=0D=0A> the full =
version number "1.0m1" - in the meantime, I even prefer=0D=0A> "spring.ja=
r".=0D=0A> =0D=0A> To keep the fire burning, some examples for no version=
 numbers that I know=0D=0A> of: Servlet, JUnit, JavaMail, Xerces, JSTL, C=
ommons Logging, Commons DBCP,=0D=0A> XAPool, Hibernate, COS, GLUE, Ant, T=
omcat, JBoss, Clover. Counterexamples=0D=0A> with version numbers in the =
jar name: JTA, CGLIB, BCEL, Log4J, Castor, Tyrex,=0D=0A> Velocity, Tapest=
ry, Hessian, iText, MySQL JDBC driver.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> In the end, one can=
 argue for all options. There is no obvious solution. So=0D=0A> we should=
 try to settle on one option and stick with it.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Juergen=0D=
=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> -----Original Message-----=0D=0A> From: Rob Butler [=
mailto:rob...@ve...]=0D=0A> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003=
 6:34 PM=0D=0A> To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]; Lars Fischer=0D=0A> Cc: =
spr...@li...; tri...@tr...;=0D=0A=
> rod...@in...=0D=0A> Subject: RE: [Springframework-develo=
per] Example classes needed=0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> Hello all,=0D=0A> =0D=0A=
> Since spring is modular, why not break it down even further into chunck=
s.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> spring-common.jar ->Basic stuff that is used everywhere=
 in spring=0D=0A> spring-beans.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring Beans stuf=
f.=0D=0A> spring-aop.jar -> contains ONLY the Spring AOP stuff.=0D=0A> sp=
ring-jdbc -> contains ONLY the Spring JDBC stuff.=0D=0A> spring-orm.jar -=
> contains ONLY the Spring ORM stuff.=0D=0A> spring-context.jar -> contai=
ns ONLY the Spring context stuff.=0D=0A> spring-mvc.jar -> contains ONLY =
the spring MVC stuff.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> If spring-orm.jar is dependent upon =
spring-common.jar then the user will need=0D=0A> to download and include =
spring-common.jar in the classpath too.  In this way=0D=0A> people can pi=
ck and choose the exact parts they want, but you don't have to=0D=0A> com=
e up with a million different package combinations...  i.e. no packages=0D=
=0A> that include ORM & JDBC, but not MVC.  Another one that has ORM, JDB=
C,=0D=0A> context, but not MVC.  Another one that has ORM, jdbc & MVC.  A=
nother one=0D=0A> that has ORM, JDBC, context & MVC.  See where I am goin=
g with this?=0D=0A> People should be smart enough to take the parts they =
want, and to get the=0D=0A> dependencies they need.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Now as=
 far as the file name goes, why not just use a name WITHOUT the version=0D=
=0A> name in it, and then include a file (or directory) in the root of th=
e jar=0D=0A> called VERSION-1.0.1 or some such thing.  That way people wi=
ll not need to=0D=0A> worry about changing build scripts to use a newer v=
ersion of the jar that is=0D=0A> API compatible, and they can still easil=
iy determine what version they are=0D=0A> using by looking in the jar its=
elf.  the only time the jar file name should=0D=0A> change is if the API =
has LARGE changes that renders the new jar completely=0D=0A> incompatible=
 with the old API.  Minor changes to the API should probably not=0D=0A> h=
ave the jar file names changed.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Just some ideas and my 2 c=
ents.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Later=0D=0A> Rob=0D=0A> =0D=0A> > From: j=FCrgen h=F6=
ller [werk3AT] <jue...@we...>=0D=0A> > Date: 2003/08/28 Th=
u PM 12:07:42 EDT=0D=0A> > To: "Lars Fischer" <lar...@gm...>=0D=
=0A> > CC: <spr...@li...>, =0D=0A> > 	=
<tri...@tr...>, =0D=0A> > 	<rod...@in...>=0D=0A> > S=
ubject: RE: [Springframework-developer] Example classes needed=0D=0A> > =0D=
=0A> > Lars,=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > The problem is that we have multiple jar =
files:=0D=0A> > - spring-beans.jar=0D=0A> > - spring-aop.jar=0D=0A> > - s=
pring-jdbc.jar=0D=0A> > - spring-orm.jar=0D=0A> > - spring-context.jar=0D=
=0A> > - spring-full.jar=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > "full" indicates that it incl=
udes all of Spring. We could name it=0D=0A> "spring.jar" of course, I'm q=
uite inclined towards this if others agree. What=0D=0A> does everybody th=
ink?=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > Regarding Colin's argument on in-between numberin=
g: I wouldn't mind=0D=0A> dropping the version number altogether, in Hibe=
rnate/Ant/Servlet style. I'm=0D=0A> just not a fan of very specific file =
names.=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > So 2 questions:=0D=0A> > 1. a) "spring-full.jar=
" or b) "spring.jar" for the complete jar file=0D=0A> > 2. a) "spring-bea=
ns-1.0m1.jar", b) "spring-beans-1.0.jar" or c)=0D=0A> "spring-beans.jar"=0D=
=0A> > =0D=0A> > In the meantime, I tend to vote 1b and 2c. I wouldn't mi=
nd 1a or 2b either,=0D=0A> though.=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > Juergen=0D=0A> > =0D=
=0A> > =0D=0A> > -----Original Message-----=0D=0A> > From: Lars Fischer [=
mailto:lar...@gm...]=0D=0A> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 =
5:56 PM=0D=0A> > To: j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]=0D=0A> > Cc: springframe=
wor...@li...; tri...@tr...;=0D=0A> > rod.jo=
hn...@in...=0D=0A> > Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] E=
xample classes needed=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > What about spring.jar,=
 spring2.jar ? I don't like this "-full".=0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > =0D=0A> > > =
Hmmm, not much response yet... I still tend to prefer "sp=0D=0A> > > ring=
-full-1.0.jar", for easy drop-in. IMO, a jar file doe=0D=0A> > > s not ne=
ed to reflect the exact detail version. I conside=0D=0A> > > r it fine en=
ough if it indicates the major version. See s=0D=0A> > > ervlet.jar, hibe=
rnate2.jar. Can we please decide on this =0D=0A> > > until *tomorrow*? :-=
)=0D=0A> > >  =0D=0A> > > Juergen=0D=0A> > >  =0D=0A> > >  =0D=0A> > > =0D=
=0A> > > -----Original =0D=0A> > > Message-----=0D=0A> > > From: j=C3=BCr=
gen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT] =0D=0A> > > Sent: Mon=0D=0A> > > day, August 25=
, 2003 11:50 PM=0D=0A> > > To: Lars Fischer; springfr=0D=0A> > > amework-=
dev...@li...=0D=0A> > > Cc: trisberg@tri=0D=0A> > > db=
.com=0D=0A> > > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Example =0D=0A> =
> > classes needed=0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > Let's vote on this.=
 I don't mind eith=0D=0A> > > er naming strategy for jar files. Anybody e=
lse prefering =0D=0A> > > the spring-full-1.0m1 style?=0D=0A> > >  =0D=0A=
> > > BTW, Hibernate uses hibe=0D=0A> > > rnate2.jar for its whole 2.x tr=
ee. Log4J uses log4j-1.2.8=0D=0A> > > .jar for the specific version. 2 ex=
amples for opposite en=0D=0A> > > ds, I guess.=0D=0A> > >  =0D=0A> > > Ju=
ergen=0D=0A> > >  =0D=0A> > >  =0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > -----Urspr=C3=BCng=
liche Nac=0D=0A> > > hricht----- =0D=0A> > > Von: Lars Fischer [mailto:la=
rs.fischer@gmxp=0D=0A> > > ro.net] =0D=0A> > > Gesendet: Mo 25.08.2003 23=
:18 =0D=0A> > > An: springframe=0D=0A> > > wor...@li...=
ge.net =0D=0A> > > Cc: j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6lle=0D=0A> > > r [werk3AT]; tri=
sb...@tr... =0D=0A> > > Betreff: Re: [Springfra=0D=0A> > > mework-dev=
eloper] Example classes needed=0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > =0D=0A>=
 > > I agree w=0D=0A> > > ith Thomas, I once made a mistake because I did=
n't realiz=0D=0A> > > e=0D=0A> > > that I was using an older version. The=
 jar-files shoul=0D=0A> > > d be named after=0D=0A> > > the version.=0D=0A=
> > > =0D=0A> > > > Juergen,=0D=0A> > > >=0D=0A> > > > The dr=0D=0A> > > =
awback then is that you can't tell from the jar file if i=0D=0A> > > t is=
 M1, M2=0D=0A> > > > or=0D=0A> > > > the release jar.=0D=0A> > > >=0D=0A>=
 > > > Thomas=0D=0A> > > >=0D=0A> > > > =0D=0A> > > > It's gonna be "spri=
ng-framework-1.0m1" and "spring-full=0D=0A> > > -1.0.jar", if we=0D=0A> >=
 > > stick=0D=0A> > > > > to the current plan. We've=0D=0A> > >  used the=
 same naming strategy for 0.9.x, e.g.=0D=0A> > > > > "spri=0D=0A> > > ng-=
framework-0.9.1" but still "spring-full-0.9.jar". I pr=0D=0A> > > efer th=
at=0D=0A> > > > way=0D=0A> > > > > to ease drop-in replacement in the =0D=
=0A> > > literal sense :-) The build=0D=0A> > > > properties=0D=0A> > > >=
 > reflect th=0D=0A> > > is in "spring-version=3D1.0" and "spring-version=
-detail=3D1.0=0D=0A> > > m1".=0D=0A> > > > > =0D=0A> > > > > Juergen=0D=0A=
> > > > > =0D=0A> > > > > =0D=0A> > > > >=0D=0A> > > > >     -----Ur=0D=0A=
> > > spr=C3f=C2=BCngliche Nachricht-----=0D=0A> > > > >     Von: trisber=
g@trid=0D=0A> > > b.com [ mailto:tri...@tr...]=0D=0A> > > > >     G=
esendet: Mo =0D=0A> > > 25.08.2003 19:21=0D=0A> > > > >     An: j=C3f=C2=BC=
rgen h=C3f=C2=B6ller [werk3A=0D=0A> > > T]=0D=0A> > > > >     Cc: Lars Fi=
scher; springframework-developer@l=0D=0A> > > ists.sourceforge.net=0D=0A>=
 > > > >     Betreff: RE: [Springframewo=0D=0A> > > rk-developer] Example=
 classes needed=0D=0A> > > > >    =0D=0A> > > > >    =0D=0A> > > >=0D=0A>=
 > >  >=0D=0A> > > > >     Juergen,=0D=0A> > > > >    =0D=0A> > > > >    =
 > Anyway, ContextL=0D=0A> > > oaderServlet *will* be in 1.0 M1, to be re=
leased at=0D=0A> > > > th=0D=0A> > > e=0D=0A> > > > > end=0D=0A> > > > > =
    > of this week if there aren't any ma=0D=0A> > > jor obstacles. BTW, =
can everybody=0D=0A> > > > > please=0D=0A> > > > >     > =0D=0A> > > test=
 the current CVS contents against own applications?=0D=0A> > > > >     >=0D=
=0A> > > > >    =0D=0A> > > > >     I am updating the Step-by-ste=0D=0A> =
> > p-MVC document - what will the exact name=0D=0A> > > > of=0D=0A> > > =
> > the=0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > > >     directory and the jar file be?  I'=
m assuming 'sp=0D=0A> > > ring-framework-1.0M1'=0D=0A> > > > and=0D=0A> >=
 > > >     'spring-full-1.0M1.=0D=0A> > > jar'.=0D=0A> > > > >    =0D=0A>=
 > > > >     Thomas=0D=0A> > > > >    =0D=0A> > > > >=0D=0A> > > > >=0D=0A=
> > > >=0D=0A> > > >=0D=0A> > > >=0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > =0D=0A> > > =0D=0A=
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