RE: [Springframework-developer] Spring vs Struts (was: interface2 1 Properties editor in BeanWrapperImpl)

[John C. <joh...@sa...>]

I think I may have come across the wrong way. I didn't mean to imply
anything about Struts being better then Spring or vice versa. Quite the
contrary. I've been using Spring since I've read Rod's book (before it
became spring) and I've been using it in one of my projects as a =
learning
endeavor. I also use Struts both at work at in "playing around" with my =
own
stuff. I completely agree with what you said previously about Struts =
and
Spring and what you just said as well. My idea is to use Spring in the
business and middle tier and either Spring again in the front end or =
Struts,
I haven't decided yet. Struts is JUST MVC that's all. Spring is much =
more.
Now that's out of the way...

What I wanted to see an example of, was how to do reusable validation =
logic
on business components in Spring in a way that is totally separate from =
the
MVC framework one ends up using. The examples in Rod's book are ok, =
but,
well without offending Rod, somewhat simple in detail and =
implementation. A
more realistic scenario is probably what I am looking for.

Regards,
John

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> Subject: [Springframework-developer] Spring vs Struts (was: =
interface21
> Properties editor in BeanWrapperImpl)
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> Hi John,
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> What exactly would you like to see an example for? Reusable business =
logic
> services via Spring? Validation not tied to web classes? For a start, =
the
> box office demo application coming with Rod's book shows both. =
Indeed, we
> need lots of additional documentation and best practices guides... =
but
> currently we're still busy implementing and refining ;-)
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> I didn't mean to imply that Struts would not allow for reusable =
business
> logic at all. It just doesn't support it in any way, so you have to =
find
> or build a suitable infrastructure yourself. Therefore, many Struts
> applications just separate at the web MVC level: Business logic ends =
up in
> web controllers but not in dedicated business logic services. That's =
where
> using Spring as middle tier framework for Struts web apps makes =
sense.
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> Of course, Struts shares this particular limitation with other web =
MVC
> frameworks like WebWork. This isn't meant as offence, such =
infrastructure
> is simply beyond their scope.
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> Regards,
> Juergen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Cavacas [mailto:joh...@sa...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:30 PM
> To: spr...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] interface21 Properties =
editor
> in BeanWrapperImpl
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> > Struts, on the other hand, is "just" a web MVC framework, targetted =
at
> > web-centric applications. It doesn't address reusable business =
logic
> > services or data access objects at all. For example, compare the
> > validation support: Struts' is tied to ActionForms while Spring's =
isn't
> > tied to web classes at all.
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> [John Cavacas]
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> I would love to see an example and explanation of this. Maybe I'm =
just
> thick
> headed but I just don't get it. I'm sure others would too.
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> Thanks,
> John
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