RE: [Springframework-developer] RE: commons-validator adapter

[Brandon G. <ma...@ph...>]

This is exactly what I mean. Thanks Karl. I hope developers of Spring take
what Karl is saying to heart. To me this is vitally important in keeping the
reality and perception of Spring light and focused. I would hate to see
Spring suffer from what Struts suffers from... "fascination with gadgetry"
or BSOS (Bright Shiny Object Syndrome)...distraction from what is important.

Any developers reading this?

Brandon

P.S. How are you doing Karl? :D Haven't talked to you since struts-chain. I
bailed on it in hopes of what Spring is offering.

-----Original Message-----
From: spr...@li...
[mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf Of
Baum, Karl
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:33 PM
To: spr...@li...
Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] RE: commons-validator adapter

It's great that Spring offers a developer so many options, but after a while
it may be difficult to separate core Spring from the convenient add ons.
What must a developer read up on before he or she understands what spring is
really about?  I would tend to side towards IOC, AOP, and the BeanFactory
before the commons validator plugin, but this does not mean a commons
validator plugin is not a great idea (I for one am trying to integrate it
into my current project.).  Each plugin that is integrated directly into the
project is yet another responsibility for the community of Spring developers
when it comes to documentation and maintenance.  This documentation, with
all of the add ons and plugins, will eventually become so bloated, the
average developer may become overwhelmed by it's size and complexity.

Why not farm these plugins out to smaller subprojects with teams of
developers focused on delivering a specific add on to the Spring project.
This leaves everyone with all of the great Spring options, but in the end
the Spring Framework never loses site of it's purpose  This isn't just about
the commons validator project.  With each new popular open source component,
we will need yet another package checked into the Spring project.  We can
start now with the spring-commons-validator subproject.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Goodin" <ma...@ph...>
To: <spr...@li...>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer] RE: commons-validator adapter


> I understand that. I'm simply saying... leave the choices on other
websites
> and focus on what spring is. Not on all the neat toys you can plug into
it.
> So, where do you draw the line on what does and does not get included. Why
> not setup a directory of tools that can be used in spring instead of
feeling
> compelled to include support for every permutation into the distro or in
the
> spring cvs. Just cuz you can doesn't mean you should. I think moves like
> this will cause confusion around spring not help it.
>
> B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spr...@li...
> [mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf
Of
> Seth Ladd
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:29 PM
> To: spr...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] RE: commons-validator adapter
>
> Brandon Goodin wrote:
> > commons validator? gack! Don't pollute spring with all of this crap. I
> > don't want to see spring turn into the 8000 pound gorilla that struts
> > has. Please consider making this stuff peripheral.
>
>
> A nice aspect of Spring is that it attempts to give developers different
> choices for a particular task.  For validation, commons-validator is
> just one choice.  Other choices include metadata validator or
> programmatic validation.  IMHO, the commons-validator fills a nice
> niche: when you want to do declarative validation but can't mark up the
> source code (if, for example, you're using generated source or 3rd party
> classes).
>
> With Spring, you get to Pick and Choose!
> Seth
>
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