Re: [Springframework-developer] spring-rcp subproject structureand initial commits

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Mike,

I considered some of these issues myself.  The way I view this is a way f=
or
me and other developers who are actively working on the early, pre-releas=
e
rcp efforts to flush out design issues, report progress on tasks, etc
without bogging down the main developer list busy supporting a released
product with a roadmap covering the next few months.

I still agree with a lot of your points--The platform leverages core spri=
ng,
yes, and I believe users who adopt Spring with rich-client applications o=
nce
the platform is released should use the same list just as they would with
Spring in a web application.  That way we can provide support for our
userbase without fragmenting any particular part of it (I even want the
samples to be like spring-web, I'd like to see a rich-client petclinic!)

So my main motivation was it'd be nice to have an archive to go to where =
I
can review RCP developer feedback, receive suggestions on features, and
where contributors can submit ideas and code to improve the platform whil=
e
we get it off the ground (get it molded into a product we can release soo=
n.)

Keith

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Mike Cannon-Brookes" <mi...@at...>
To: "Spring" <spr...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] spring-rcp subproject structurea=
nd
initial commits

> Rod,
>
> I=B9ve been through this on a few Open Source projects, and I=B9m not s=
ure
it=B9s
> a good idea at this time, for a few reasons:
> * principally, there isn=B9t enough traffic about RCP yet to warrant a
> separate list =AD ie as a general rule, if it=B9s not enough messages t=
o piss
> off other users yet, don=B9t make another list
> * having two lists means people who use just the Spring framework like =
me
> (not the RCP bits) probably won't contribute ideas early (because they'=
re
> not on the RCP list) which can be crucial to creating a healthy,
sustainable
> project
>
> Generally, I always feel it's better to have less lists until the
discussion
> becomes off topic too often, then you split - not at the start?
(especially
> when so much of the RCP stuff will, I guess?, depend on the core Spring
> framework so there'll likely be lots of cross postings)
>
> Anyway not a huge issue, just my $0.02! Feel free to ignore completely =
:)
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
> On 3/3/04 12:19 PM, "Rod Johnson" (rod...@in...) penned =
the
> words:
>
> > Keith
> >
> > I've just created a springframework-rcp-dev list. We can add a -user
list if
> > we ever need it.
> >
> > I've emailed you the administration information, as you should clearl=
y
be the
> > list administrator.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rod
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From:  Keith  Donald <mailto:kd...@cs...>
> >>
> >> To: spr...@li...
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:25  PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: [Springframework-developer]  spring-rcp subproject
structure and
> >> initial commits
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rod,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I  think a spring-rcp mailing list is a great idea!  I'll continue
posting
> >> announcements and other core integration stuff on the main lists, bu=
t
general
> >> communication back and forth comm. about specifics of the project wo=
uld
fit
> >> nicely in its own list (especially now since most topics  are very
> >> development oriented.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: spr...@li...
> >>> [mailto:spr...@li...] On
Behalf  Of
> >>> Rod Johnson
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:14  AM
> >>> To:  spr...@li...
> >>> Subject: Re:  [Springframework-developer] spring-rcp subproject
structure
> >>> and initial  commits
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Exciting news. Keith, do you think we need a Spring-RCP  mailing li=
st,
or
> >>> would you prefer it to stay shared for now?
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>> From:  Keith  Donald <mailto:kd...@cs...>
> >>>>
> >>>> To: spr...@li...
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:23  PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: [Springframework-developer]  spring-rcp subproject struct=
ure
and
> >>>> initial commits
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey yall -
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The spring-rcp sub project  structure now exists in the CVS
repository as a
> >>>> new  module.  You'll find that the structure very much mirrors tha=
t
of the
> >>>> spring module.  I made some initial commits last night  including:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> org.springframework.rcp.image
> >>>>
> >>>>   A image and icon loading/caching library using  resource-bundle
style
> >>>> lookup.  It abstracts away hardcoded image  paths in your code,
supports
> >>>> at-runtime resizable icons (for  accessbility), and provides built=
 in
> >>>> broken image indicator support.   The design is very MessageSource
like and
> >>>> also builds off Spring's core.io.Resource classes for accessing im=
age
> >>>> resources.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> org.springframework.rcp.util
> >>>>
> >>>> Misc utility classes (mostly  static-utility) that aim to reduce
repeat
> >>>> coding.  Several of  these likely make sense for inclusion in the
core at
> >>>> some  point...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll be continuing commiting  additional packages this week
including:
> >>>>
> >>>> - The rules-based data  validation stuff with source-level attribu=
tes
> >>>> (currently I'm working  on this with Seth Ladd and Sam Newman.)
> >>>>
> >>>> - The action contribution framework  (the UI management side of
actions.)
> >>>> Sam Newman has also  been working with me on a general command
framework
> >>>> that integrates with the visual side of an  action for rich-client=
s.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Test suites and samples for all of  the above.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Obviously the code, since we're  just getting started, is consider=
ed
> >>>> experimental and may undergo  significant changes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Keep the feedback coming!  :-)  I've gotten a lot of useful ideas =
and
> >>>> suggestions so far!  I will  post announcements as new packages ar=
e
> >>>> committed.  Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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