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From: Jan M. <ja...@ja...> - 2005-08-26 07:38:56
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Hi Gail Did you update to a newer version of 2.4.x or to 2.6.x ? Is there any way to check if my 2.4.x kernel has this bug ? Thanks, Jan -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 9. august 2005 02:26 To: sim...@li... Subject: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Niall and everyone, As you know, I have been testing Simple for the past few weeks, trying to track down a TCP error that was causing my instance to eventually hang all worker threads, even under light loads. I previously suggested a tweak to the Socket configuration (setting a SO_LINGER timeout).=20 In the end, we found spotty documentation about a Linux 2.4.x kernel bug that can cause sockets closed properly by the application to linger indefinitely in CLOSE_WAIT. Updating our Red Hat distribution via Red Hat Network (we paid for this service) resulted in the problem completely going away.=20 I was more than surprised to find an OS bug to be at fault! Along the way, I replaced Niall's synchronization and thread-pooling code with the new JDK 5 constructs from the new and wonderful package java.util.concurrent. I proved that Niall's software was correct (because we saw the same deadlocks with the JDK 5 constructs, which have already been proven correct). But, the migration to java.util.concurrent seems to make a faster Simple. I'm happy to contribute back the port to java.util.concurrent, it simplifies the code... -- Gail. ------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support |
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From: Jan M. <ja...@ja...> - 2005-08-26 14:52:30
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Gail,=20 please run 'cat /etc/redhat-release' and 'uname -a' Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 26. august 2005 16:40 To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Jan, The quick answer is I'm not sure. I'm not a Linux expert, so I paid Red Hat for a subscription that automatically updates the OS. I started with Enterprise Linux 3 ES. After 2 hours of Red Hat's automatic updates, I ran Simple again and the CLOSE_WAIT problem was gone. I have been running a stable Simple ever since. I believe the kernel is still 2.4.x. But if you give me a shell command that displays the kernel version, I'm happy to run it and provide you exact version. =20 - Gail. =20 ---------------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 =20 Screaming Geek Software www.screaminggeek.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Jan Mikkelsen Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:36 AM To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Gail Did you update to a newer version of 2.4.x or to 2.6.x ? Is there any way to check if my 2.4.x kernel has this bug ? Thanks, Jan -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 9. august 2005 02:26 To: sim...@li... Subject: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Niall and everyone, As you know, I have been testing Simple for the past few weeks, trying to track down a TCP error that was causing my instance to eventually hang all worker threads, even under light loads. I previously suggested a tweak to the Socket configuration (setting a SO_LINGER timeout).=20 In the end, we found spotty documentation about a Linux 2.4.x kernel bug that can cause sockets closed properly by the application to linger indefinitely in CLOSE_WAIT. Updating our Red Hat distribution via Red Hat Network (we paid for this service) resulted in the problem completely going away.=20 I was more than surprised to find an OS bug to be at fault! Along the way, I replaced Niall's synchronization and thread-pooling code with the new JDK 5 constructs from the new and wonderful package java.util.concurrent. I proved that Niall's software was correct (because we saw the same deadlocks with the JDK 5 constructs, which have already been proven correct). But, the migration to java.util.concurrent seems to make a faster Simple. I'm happy to contribute back the port to java.util.concurrent, it simplifies the code... -- Gail. ------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support |
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From: Gail R. F. <ga...@sc...> - 2005-08-26 15:59:02
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All, My Linux server is: Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 3 (Taroon Update 5) 2.4.21-9.0.1.EL - Gail. -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Jan Mikkelsen Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:50 AM To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Gail, please run 'cat /etc/redhat-release' and 'uname -a' Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 26. august 2005 16:40 To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Jan, The quick answer is I'm not sure. I'm not a Linux expert, so I paid Red Hat for a subscription that automatically updates the OS. I started with Enterprise Linux 3 ES. After 2 hours of Red Hat's automatic updates, I ran Simple again and the CLOSE_WAIT problem was gone. I have been running a stable Simple ever since. I believe the kernel is still 2.4.x. But if you give me a shell command that displays the kernel version, I'm happy to run it and provide you exact version. - Gail. ---------------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 Screaming Geek Software www.screaminggeek.com -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Jan Mikkelsen Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:36 AM To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Gail Did you update to a newer version of 2.4.x or to 2.6.x ? Is there any way to check if my 2.4.x kernel has this bug ? Thanks, Jan -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 9. august 2005 02:26 To: sim...@li... Subject: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Niall and everyone, As you know, I have been testing Simple for the past few weeks, trying to track down a TCP error that was causing my instance to eventually hang all worker threads, even under light loads. I previously suggested a tweak to the Socket configuration (setting a SO_LINGER timeout). In the end, we found spotty documentation about a Linux 2.4.x kernel bug that can cause sockets closed properly by the application to linger indefinitely in CLOSE_WAIT. Updating our Red Hat distribution via Red Hat Network (we paid for this service) resulted in the problem completely going away. I was more than surprised to find an OS bug to be at fault! Along the way, I replaced Niall's synchronization and thread-pooling code with the new JDK 5 constructs from the new and wonderful package java.util.concurrent. I proved that Niall's software was correct (because we saw the same deadlocks with the JDK 5 constructs, which have already been proven correct). But, the migration to java.util.concurrent seems to make a faster Simple. I'm happy to contribute back the port to java.util.concurrent, it simplifies the code... -- Gail. ------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support |
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From: Jan M. <ja...@ja...> - 2005-08-26 16:11:07
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Ok, mine is even newer it seems: Linux cbs2.jatak.com 2.4.21-32.0.1.ELsmp #1 SMP Tue May 17 17:52:23 EDT 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I'll update Simple from 2.6 to the coming version and see what happens. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 26. august 2005 17:59 To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... All, My Linux server is: Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 3 (Taroon Update 5) 2.4.21-9.0.1.EL=20 - Gail. =20 -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Jan Mikkelsen Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:50 AM To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Gail,=20 please run 'cat /etc/redhat-release' and 'uname -a' Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 26. august 2005 16:40 To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Jan, The quick answer is I'm not sure. I'm not a Linux expert, so I paid Red Hat for a subscription that automatically updates the OS. I started with Enterprise Linux 3 ES. After 2 hours of Red Hat's automatic updates, I ran Simple again and the CLOSE_WAIT problem was gone. I have been running a stable Simple ever since. I believe the kernel is still 2.4.x. But if you give me a shell command that displays the kernel version, I'm happy to run it and provide you exact version. =20 - Gail. =20 ---------------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 =20 Screaming Geek Software www.screaminggeek.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Jan Mikkelsen Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:36 AM To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Gail Did you update to a newer version of 2.4.x or to 2.6.x ? Is there any way to check if my 2.4.x kernel has this bug ? Thanks, Jan -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 9. august 2005 02:26 To: sim...@li... Subject: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Niall and everyone, As you know, I have been testing Simple for the past few weeks, trying to track down a TCP error that was causing my instance to eventually hang all worker threads, even under light loads. I previously suggested a tweak to the Socket configuration (setting a SO_LINGER timeout).=20 In the end, we found spotty documentation about a Linux 2.4.x kernel bug that can cause sockets closed properly by the application to linger indefinitely in CLOSE_WAIT. Updating our Red Hat distribution via Red Hat Network (we paid for this service) resulted in the problem completely going away.=20 I was more than surprised to find an OS bug to be at fault! Along the way, I replaced Niall's synchronization and thread-pooling code with the new JDK 5 constructs from the new and wonderful package java.util.concurrent. I proved that Niall's software was correct (because we saw the same deadlocks with the JDK 5 constructs, which have already been proven correct). But, the migration to java.util.concurrent seems to make a faster Simple. I'm happy to contribute back the port to java.util.concurrent, it simplifies the code... -- Gail. ------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support |
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From: Gail R. F. <ga...@sc...> - 2005-08-26 16:20:13
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Jan, I'm curious ... what issues with Simple are you seeing? - Gail. -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Jan Mikkelsen Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:08 AM To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Ok, mine is even newer it seems: Linux cbs2.jatak.com 2.4.21-32.0.1.ELsmp #1 SMP Tue May 17 17:52:23 EDT 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I'll update Simple from 2.6 to the coming version and see what happens. Thanks! |
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From: Niall G. <gal...@ya...> - 2005-08-26 17:02:04
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Hi All, I have uploaded 2.7, which contains the bug fix for simple.util.process.ProcessQueue. This should ensure that there are no more deadlocks after resizing the ProcessQueue. Also, there is a new simple.http.connect.Configurator object which allows a configuration to be implemented suitable to the environment you are running Simple within. The simple-demo-1.1.tar.gz package contains a LinuxConfigurator that uses the following socket.setSoLinger(true,5) This reportedly removes the CLOSE_WAIT problem that some users have beem having on Linux. The source for this Configurator is within the simple-demo-1.1.jar file. Finally, if you have been using the MapperEngine, the mapper.properties file is now ignored. Instead a mapper.xml file must be used, examples are provided. Also, velocity.properties is no longer used, this has been replaced with velocity.xml. To download go to: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=62369 or http://simpleweb.sourceforge.net/download/2.7 Regards, Niall Niall Gallagher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
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From: Gail R. F. <ga...@sc...> - 2005-08-26 14:40:09
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Hi Jan, The quick answer is I'm not sure. I'm not a Linux expert, so I paid Red Hat for a subscription that automatically updates the OS. I started with Enterprise Linux 3 ES. After 2 hours of Red Hat's automatic updates, I ran Simple again and the CLOSE_WAIT problem was gone. I have been running a stable Simple ever since. I believe the kernel is still 2.4.x. But if you give me a shell command that displays the kernel version, I'm happy to run it and provide you exact version. - Gail. ---------------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 Screaming Geek Software www.screaminggeek.com -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Jan Mikkelsen Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:36 AM To: sim...@li... Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Gail Did you update to a newer version of 2.4.x or to 2.6.x ? Is there any way to check if my 2.4.x kernel has this bug ? Thanks, Jan -----Original Message----- From: sim...@li... [mailto:sim...@li...] On Behalf Of Gail Rahn Frederick Sent: 9. august 2005 02:26 To: sim...@li... Subject: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... Hi Niall and everyone, As you know, I have been testing Simple for the past few weeks, trying to track down a TCP error that was causing my instance to eventually hang all worker threads, even under light loads. I previously suggested a tweak to the Socket configuration (setting a SO_LINGER timeout). In the end, we found spotty documentation about a Linux 2.4.x kernel bug that can cause sockets closed properly by the application to linger indefinitely in CLOSE_WAIT. Updating our Red Hat distribution via Red Hat Network (we paid for this service) resulted in the problem completely going away. I was more than surprised to find an OS bug to be at fault! Along the way, I replaced Niall's synchronization and thread-pooling code with the new JDK 5 constructs from the new and wonderful package java.util.concurrent. I proved that Niall's software was correct (because we saw the same deadlocks with the JDK 5 constructs, which have already been proven correct). But, the migration to java.util.concurrent seems to make a faster Simple. I'm happy to contribute back the port to java.util.concurrent, it simplifies the code... -- Gail. ------------- Gail Rahn Frederick ga...@sc... 503.260.0910 ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Simpleweb-Support mailing list Sim...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support |
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From: Niall G. <gal...@ya...> - 2005-08-26 14:50:07
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Hi Gail uname -r Niall --- Gail Rahn Frederick <ga...@sc...> wrote: > Hi Jan, > > The quick answer is I'm not sure. > > I'm not a Linux expert, so I paid Red Hat for a > subscription that > automatically updates the OS. I started with > Enterprise Linux 3 ES. After 2 > hours of Red Hat's automatic updates, I ran Simple > again and the CLOSE_WAIT > problem was gone. I have been running a stable > Simple ever since. > > I believe the kernel is still 2.4.x. But if you give > me a shell command that > displays the kernel version, I'm happy to run it and > provide you exact > version. > > > - Gail. > > ---------------------- > Gail Rahn Frederick > ga...@sc... > 503.260.0910 > > Screaming Geek Software > www.screaminggeek.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sim...@li... > [mailto:sim...@li...] > On Behalf Of Jan > Mikkelsen > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:36 AM > To: sim...@li... > Subject: RE: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... > > Hi Gail > > Did you update to a newer version of 2.4.x or to > 2.6.x ? > Is there any way to check if my 2.4.x kernel has > this bug ? > > Thanks, > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sim...@li... > [mailto:sim...@li...] > On Behalf Of Gail > Rahn Frederick > Sent: 9. august 2005 02:26 > To: sim...@li... > Subject: [Simpleweb-Support] Simple Stability... > > Hi Niall and everyone, > > As you know, I have been testing Simple for the past > few weeks, trying to > track down a TCP error that was causing my instance > to eventually hang all > worker threads, even under light loads. > > I previously suggested a tweak to the Socket > configuration (setting a > SO_LINGER timeout). > > In the end, we found spotty documentation about a > Linux 2.4.x kernel bug > that can cause sockets closed properly by the > application to linger > indefinitely in CLOSE_WAIT. Updating our Red Hat > distribution via Red Hat > Network (we paid for this service) resulted in the > problem completely going > away. > > I was more than surprised to find an OS bug to be at > fault! > > Along the way, I replaced Niall's synchronization > and thread-pooling code > with the new JDK 5 constructs from the new and > wonderful package > java.util.concurrent. I proved that Niall's software > was correct (because we > saw the same deadlocks with the JDK 5 constructs, > which have already been > proven correct). But, the migration to > java.util.concurrent seems to make a > faster Simple. > > I'm happy to contribute back the port to > java.util.concurrent, it simplifies > the code... > > -- Gail. > > ------------- > Gail Rahn Frederick > ga...@sc... > 503.260.0910 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software > Conference & EXPO September > 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development > Lifecycle Practices Agile & > Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams > * Testing & QA Security > * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Simpleweb-Support mailing list > Sim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software > Conference & EXPO September > 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development > Lifecycle Practices Agile & > Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams > * Testing & QA Security > * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Simpleweb-Support mailing list > Sim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software > Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * > Development Lifecycle Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects > & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Simpleweb-Support mailing list > Sim...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simpleweb-support > Niall Gallagher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
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