Thread: [Shellweb-main] Config
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 05:12:46
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alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML;
这么写的话:
if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) {
$config{window_size_width}=$1;
next;
}
一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny Config::IniFiles 等
我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已经写过的
代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。
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Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
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From: <ale...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 06:15:02
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From: Anthony WU <ant...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 06:32:06
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From: <ale...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:27:38
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:30:30
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尽量跨平台,实在没办法可以采取这种办法。
log 的话我倾向于使用跨平台的 Log::Log4perl
ale...@gm... wrote:
> 你说的这个情况也可以,但是毕竟还要付出很多其他的努力,例如测试这两个模块的分别运行情况,如何统一。
> 总之,在这方面的工作量并不会很少,除非你事先就十分了解这两个模块。
>
> 在 05-12-28,Anthony WU<ant...@gm...> 写道:
>
>> 於跨平台方面
>> 我偏向 如 win32 ,使用Win32::EventLog, Unix 使用syslogd 的做法,然不是跨平台的模,但
>> 亦能做到所需要求,只需要 自行 mylib::win32::log , mylib::unixlike::log , 一那2 lib
>> 的用方法,就其他的大
>>
>> 2005/12/28, ale...@gm... <ale...@gm...>:
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>>> :)
>>> 我来解释一下尽量少用cpan模块的原因:
>>> 首先,我并不是排斥用cpan模块,好的cpan模块当然可以采用。
>>> 但是,采用一个cpan模块必须保证以下的前提:
>>>
>>>
>> 1.可移植性。可以正常的在我们所需要的多平台下运行,要知道有些模块在linux下可以运行,但是win32下不能运行,这种模块我们不能使用。
>>
>> 2.依赖性较低。有很多优秀的cpan模块,需要依赖其他的cpan模块才能运行,如果我们引入了这个cpan模块,那么其他的cpan模块也必须一并引入,大量的各种类型的cpan模块势必会给我们今后的发布带来困难,我们会很难保证这些模块在多种平台上的运行能力,而且如果软件进一步的发展,这个模块如果无法适用我们的要求,我们将会陷入被动的局面,而且在纠错方面,我们需要查找的工作量会很大,有可能必须查找每个引入的模块才能解决问题。
>>
>>> 3.该模块已经长时间稳定的存在,或者充分证实了这个模块可以基本无问题的运行。
>>>
>>>
>> 4.在引入一个模块的时候,我之前已经说了:发邮件通知大家。然后给出你的模块在shellweb中的用法实例,大家去根据我上面的规则查阅一下印证一下。
>>
>>>
>> 在项目的初期,我们并不要求很快的完成某项任务,而是为了以后能快速的完成任务打下好的基础,为了避免项目进入后期因为某些自己不能把握的事情而拖入泥潭,所以前期我想尽量的谨慎一些。这是我现在对于项目的主导想法。
>>
>>> 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm...>:
>>>
>>>> alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML;
>>>> 这么写的话:
>>>> if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) {
>>>> $config{window_size_width}=$1;
>>>> next;
>>>> }
>>>> 一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny Config::IniFiles 等
>>>>
>>>> 我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已经写过的
>>>> 代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>>>>
>>>>
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 08:09:53
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shellweb 应该会提供一些用户可以定制的东西吧。比如说超时多少秒。(类似
IE/Firefox 里的 选项/Options)
到时候有一个界面可以设置,然后将他们保存为一个 yaml 文件。
use YAML();
YAML::DumpFile("config.yaml", \%config);
然后我们就可以使用
use YAML();
my %config = YAML::LoadFile('config.yaml');
这样我们写 UserAgent 超时的时候就可以这么写:
my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
$ua->timeout($config{timeout});
大致就是这个样子。而 Config::IniFiles 生成/导入 .ini 文件。这个跟我们常
见的 ini 文件是一样的。
ale...@gm... wrote:
> fayland,你能否给出你推荐的这几个模块对应现在shellweb代码的实例?
> 我对于这些模块并不太清楚,如果有实例的话,我会较容易比较一些。
>
> 在 05-12-28,fayland<fa...@gm...> 写道:
>
>> 尽量跨平台,实在没办法可以采取这种办法。
>> log 的话我倾向于使用跨平台的 Log::Log4perl
>>
>> ale...@gm... wrote:
>>
>>> 你说的这个情况也可以,但是毕竟还要付出很多其他的努力,例如测试这两个模块的分别运行情况,如何统一。
>>> 总之,在这方面的工作量并不会很少,除非你事先就十分了解这两个模块。
>>>
>>> 在 05-12-28,Anthony WU<ant...@gm...> 写道:
>>>
>>>
>>>> 關於跨平台方面
>>>> 我較偏向 如 win32 ,使用Win32::EventLog, Unix 類 使用syslogd 的做法,雖然不是跨平台的模組,但
>>>> 亦能做到所需要求,只需要 自行寫 mylib::win32::log , mylib::unixlike::log , 統一那2個 lib
>>>> 的調用方法,就應該沒其他的大問題
>>>>
>>>> 2005/12/28, ale...@gm... <ale...@gm...>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>> 我来解释一下尽量少用cpan模块的原因:
>>>>> 首先,我并不是排斥用cpan模块,好的cpan模块当然可以采用。
>>>>> 但是,采用一个cpan模块必须保证以下的前提:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 1.可移植性。可以正常的在我们所需要的多平台下运行,要知道有些模块在linux下可以运行,但是win32下不能运行,这种模块我们不能使用。
>>>>
>>>> 2.依赖性较低。有很多优秀的cpan模块,需要依赖其他的cpan模块才能运行,如果我们引入了这个cpan模块,那么其他的cpan模块也必须一并引入,大量的各种类型的cpan模块势必会给我们今后的发布带来困难,我们会很难保证这些模块在多种平台上的运行能力,而且如果软件进一步的发展,这个模块如果无法适用我们的要求,我们将会陷入被动的局面,而且在纠错方面,我们需要查找的工作量会很大,有可能必须查找每个引入的模块才能解决问题。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3.该模块已经长时间稳定的存在,或者充分证实了这个模块可以基本无问题的运行。
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 4.在引入一个模块的时候,我之前已经说了:发邮件通知大家。然后给出你的模块在shellweb中的用法实例,大家去根据我上面的规则查阅一下印证一下。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 在项目的初期,我们并不要求很快的完成某项任务,而是为了以后能快速的完成任务打下好的基础,为了避免项目进入后期因为某些自己不能把握的事情而拖入泥潭,所以前期我想尽量的谨慎一些。这是我现在对于项目的主导想法。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm...>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML;
>>>>>> 这么写的话:
>>>>>> if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) {
>>>>>> $config{window_size_width}=$1;
>>>>>> next;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> 一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny Config::IniFiles 等
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已经写过的
>>>>>> 代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> +--------------------------------------------+
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>>>>> +--------------------------------------------+
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 08:27:21
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XML 的解析起来比较复杂。而且不容易阅读。
ini 文件的话大家都比较熟悉。
YAML 文件解析最简单。保存用 DumpFile 载入用 LoadFile
Anthony WU wrote:
> Config 直接使用 XML 吧?
>
> 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm... <mailto:fa...@gm...>>:
>
> shellweb 应该会提供一些用户可以定制的东西吧。比如说超时多少秒。(类似
> IE/Firefox 里的 选项/Options)
> 到时候有一个界面可以设置,然后将他们保存为一个 yaml 文件。
>
> use YAML();
> YAML::DumpFile("config.yaml", \%config);
>
> 然后我们就可以使用
> use YAML();
> my %config = YAML::LoadFile(' config.yaml');
>
> 这样我们写 UserAgent 超时的时候就可以这么写:
>
> my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
> $ua->timeout($config{timeout});
>
> 大致就是这个样子。而 Config::IniFiles 生成/导入 .ini 文件。这个跟
> 我们常
> 见的 ini 文件是一样的。
>
> ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...> wrote:
> > fayland,你能否给出你推荐的这几个模块对应现在shellweb代码的实例?
> > 我对于这些模块并不太清楚,如果有实例的话,我会较容易比较一些。
> >
> > 在 05-12-28,fayland<fa...@gm...
> <mailto:fa...@gm...>> 写道:
> >
> >> 尽量跨平台,实在没办法可以采取这种办法。
> >> log 的话我倾向于使用跨平台的 Log::Log4perl
> >>
> >> ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 你说的这个情况也可以,但是毕竟还要付出很多其他的努力,例如测试
> 这两个模块的分别运行情况,如何统一。
> >>> 总之,在这方面的工作量并不会很少,除非你事先就十分了解这两个模块。
> >>>
> >>> 在 05-12-28,Anthony WU<ant...@gm...
> <mailto:ant...@gm...>> 写道:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 關於跨平台方面
> >>>> 我較偏向 如 win32 ,使用Win32::EventLog, Unix 類 使用syslogd
> 的做法,雖然不是跨平台的模組,但
> >>>> 亦能做到所需要求,只需要 自行寫 mylib::win32::log ,
> mylib::unixlike::log , 統一那2個 lib
> >>>> 的調用方法,就應該沒其他的大問題
> >>>>
> >>>> 2005/12/28, ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...>
> <ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...>>:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> :)
> >>>>> 我来解释一下尽量少用cpan模块的原因:
> >>>>> 首先,我并不是排斥用cpan模块,好的cpan模块当然可以采用。
> >>>>> 但是,采用一个cpan模块必须保证以下的前提:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> 1.可移植性。可以正常的在我们所需要的多平台下运行,要知道有些
> 模块在linux下可以运行,但是win32下不能运行,这种模块我们不能使用。
> >>>>
> >>>> 2.依赖性较低。有很多优秀的cpan模块,需要依赖其他的cpan模块才
> 能运行,如果我们引入了这个cpan模块,那么其他的cpan模块也必须一并引
> 入,大量的各种类型的cpan模块势必会给我们今后的发布带来困难,我们会
> 很难保证这些模块在多种平台上的运行能力,而且如果软件进一步的发展,
> 这个模块如果无法适用我们的要求,我们将会陷入被动的局面,而且在纠错
> 方面,我们需要查找的工作量会很大,有可能必须查找每个引入的模块才能
> 解决问题。
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> 3.该模块已经长时间稳定的存在,或者充分证实了这个模块可以基本
> 无问题的运行。
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> 4.在引入一个模块的时候,我之前已经说了:发邮件通知大家。然后
> 给出你的模块在shellweb中的用法实例,大家去根据我上面的规则查阅一下
> 印证一下。
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 在项目的初期,我们并不要求很快的完成某项任务,而是为了以后能
> 快速的完成任务打下好的基础,为了避免项目进入后期因为某些自己不能把
> 握的事情而拖入泥潭,所以前期我想尽量的谨慎一些。这是我现在对于项目
> 的主导想法。
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2005/12/28, fayland < fa...@gm...
> <mailto:fa...@gm...>>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML;
> >>>>>> 这么写的话:
> >>>>>> if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) {
> >>>>>> $config{window_size_width}=$1;
> >>>>>> next;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>> 一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny
> Config::IniFiles 等
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次
> 别人已经写过的
> >>>>>> 代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>> --
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From: yudong z. <sec...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:22:28
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:27:27
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因为配置文件是必须的。大家讨论是否可以引入一个配置文件模块。 比如 YAML Config::iniFiles Config::Tiny 之类的。或者还是直接写 perl 代码。 我个人倾向于 YAML yudong zhang wrote: > alexe.cn <http://alexe.cn>: > > > 我觉得你的观点很有道理,因为我之前在开发其他的项目的时候,就遇到过类似 > 的情形,使用第三方代码的时候的确需要谨慎一些。 > > On 12/28/05, *ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...>* < > ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...>> wrote: > > :) > 我来解释一下尽量少用cpan模块的原因: > 首先,我并不是排斥用cpan模块,好的cpan模块当然可以采用。 > 但是,采用一个cpan模块必须保证以下的前提: > 1.可移植性。可以正常的在我们所需要的多平台下运行,要知道有些模块在 > linux下可以运行,但是win32下不能运行,这种模块我们不能使用。 > 2.依赖性较低。有很多优秀的cpan模块,需要依赖其他的cpan模块才能运 > 行,如果我们引入了这个cpan模块,那么其他的cpan模块也必须一并引入, > 大量的各种类型的cpan模块势必会给我们今后的发布带来困难,我们会很难 > 保证这些模块在多种平台上的运行能力,而且如果软件进一步的发展,这个 > 模块如果无法适用我们的要求,我们将会陷入被动的局面,而且在纠错方 > 面,我们需要查找的工作量会很大,有可能必须查找每个引入的模块才能解 > 决问题。 > 3.该模块已经长时间稳定的存在,或者充分证实了这个模块可以基本无问题 > 的运行。 > 4.在引入一个模块的时候,我之前已经说了:发邮件通知大家。然后给出你 > 的模块在shellweb中的用法实例,大家去根据我上面的规则查阅一下印证一下。 > > 在项目的初期,我们并不要求很快的完成某项任务,而是为了以后能快速的 > 完成任务打下好的基础,为了避免项目进入后期因为某些自己不能把握的事 > 情而拖入泥潭,所以前期我想尽量的谨慎一些。这是我现在对于项目的主导 > 想法。 > > > 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm... <mailto:fa...@gm...>>: > > alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML; > > 这么写的话: > > if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) { > > $config{window_size_width}=$1; > > next; > > } > > 一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny > Config::IniFiles 等 > > > > 我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已 > 经写过的 > > 代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。 > > > > -- > > Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep > through log files > > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD > SPLUNK! > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > <http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click> > > > > > > > -- > +--------------------------------------------+ > |By Alexe (http://www.alexe.cn)| <http://www.alexe.cn%29%7C> > +--------------------------------------------+ > > -- Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ |
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From: yudong z. <sec...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:48:10
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