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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 08:22:49
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谈谈个人的看法。大家讨论与补充。 lib/ShellWeb.pm 放置主要流程。 lib/ShellWeb/Init.pm 初始化，载入配置文件。 lib/ShellWeb/Menu.pm 菜单文件与 event 的 hook lib/ShellWeb/Fecth 主要用于获取，做 LWP 的事。子目录下有 HTTP/FTP/HTTPS 等 lib/ShellWeb/Parser 用于解析 html/xml/gif 等。 lib/ShellWeb/Layout 用于将 html 解析出来的每个 tag 对应到 Gtk2 的东西上 去。这个 Layout 就是显示 Gtk2 的界面。 至于一些 Gtk2 的 hook 可以考虑放在一个文件，或者写在 ShellWeb.pm 里。 这些只是纸上谈兵。不过我认为先确定程序的流程和目录的结构对将来的开发会有 很大的帮助。 -- Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ |
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 08:09:53
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shellweb 应该会提供一些用户可以定制的东西吧。比如说超时多少秒。（类似
IE/Firefox 里的 选项/Options）
到时候有一个界面可以设置，然后将他们保存为一个 yaml 文件。
use YAML();
YAML::DumpFile("config.yaml", \%config);
然后我们就可以使用
use YAML();
my %config = YAML::LoadFile('config.yaml');
这样我们写 UserAgent 超时的时候就可以这么写：
my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
$ua->timeout($config{timeout});
大致就是这个样子。而 Config::IniFiles 生成/导入 .ini 文件。这个跟我们常
见的 ini 文件是一样的。
ale...@gm... wrote:
> fayland,你能否给出你推荐的这几个模块对应现在shellweb代码的实例？
> 我对于这些模块并不太清楚，如果有实例的话，我会较容易比较一些。
>
> 在 05-12-28，fayland<fa...@gm...> 写道：
>
>> 尽量跨平台，实在没办法可以采取这种办法。
>> log 的话我倾向于使用跨平台的 Log::Log4perl
>>
>> ale...@gm... wrote:
>>
>>> 你说的这个情况也可以，但是毕竟还要付出很多其他的努力，例如测试这两个模块的分别运行情况，如何统一。
>>> 总之，在这方面的工作量并不会很少，除非你事先就十分了解这两个模块。
>>>
>>> 在 05-12-28，Anthony WU<ant...@gm...> 写道：
>>>
>>>
>>>> 關於跨平台方面
>>>> 我較偏向 如 win32 ，使用Win32::EventLog， Unix 類 使用syslogd 的做法，雖然不是跨平台的模組，但
>>>> 亦能做到所需要求，只需要 自行寫 mylib::win32::log ， mylib::unixlike::log ， 統一那2個 lib
>>>> 的調用方法，就應該沒其他的大問題
>>>>
>>>> 2005/12/28, ale...@gm... <ale...@gm...>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>> 我来解释一下尽量少用cpan模块的原因：
>>>>> 首先，我并不是排斥用cpan模块，好的cpan模块当然可以采用。
>>>>> 但是，采用一个cpan模块必须保证以下的前提：
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 1.可移植性。可以正常的在我们所需要的多平台下运行，要知道有些模块在linux下可以运行，但是win32下不能运行，这种模块我们不能使用。
>>>>
>>>> 2.依赖性较低。有很多优秀的cpan模块，需要依赖其他的cpan模块才能运行，如果我们引入了这个cpan模块，那么其他的cpan模块也必须一并引入，大量的各种类型的cpan模块势必会给我们今后的发布带来困难，我们会很难保证这些模块在多种平台上的运行能力，而且如果软件进一步的发展，这个模块如果无法适用我们的要求，我们将会陷入被动的局面，而且在纠错方面，我们需要查找的工作量会很大，有可能必须查找每个引入的模块才能解决问题。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3.该模块已经长时间稳定的存在，或者充分证实了这个模块可以基本无问题的运行。
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 4.在引入一个模块的时候，我之前已经说了：发邮件通知大家。然后给出你的模块在shellweb中的用法实例，大家去根据我上面的规则查阅一下印证一下。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 在项目的初期，我们并不要求很快的完成某项任务，而是为了以后能快速的完成任务打下好的基础，为了避免项目进入后期因为某些自己不能把握的事情而拖入泥潭，所以前期我想尽量的谨慎一些。这是我现在对于项目的主导想法。
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm...>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML;
>>>>>> 这么写的话：
>>>>>> if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) {
>>>>>> $config{window_size_width}=$1;
>>>>>> next;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> 一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny Config::IniFiles 等
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已经写过的
>>>>>> 代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:30:30
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尽量跨平台，实在没办法可以采取这种办法。
log 的话我倾向于使用跨平台的 Log::Log4perl
ale...@gm... wrote:
> 你说的这个情况也可以，但是毕竟还要付出很多其他的努力，例如测试这两个模块的分别运行情况，如何统一。
> 总之，在这方面的工作量并不会很少，除非你事先就十分了解这两个模块。
>
> 在 05-12-28，Anthony WU<ant...@gm...> 写道：
>
>> 於跨平台方面
>> 我偏向 如 win32 ，使用Win32::EventLog， Unix 使用syslogd 的做法，然不是跨平台的模，但
>> 亦能做到所需要求，只需要 自行 mylib::win32::log ， mylib::unixlike::log ， 一那2 lib
>> 的用方法，就其他的大
>>
>> 2005/12/28, ale...@gm... <ale...@gm...>:
>>
>>> :)
>>> 我来解释一下尽量少用cpan模块的原因：
>>> 首先，我并不是排斥用cpan模块，好的cpan模块当然可以采用。
>>> 但是，采用一个cpan模块必须保证以下的前提：
>>>
>>>
>> 1.可移植性。可以正常的在我们所需要的多平台下运行，要知道有些模块在linux下可以运行，但是win32下不能运行，这种模块我们不能使用。
>>
>> 2.依赖性较低。有很多优秀的cpan模块，需要依赖其他的cpan模块才能运行，如果我们引入了这个cpan模块，那么其他的cpan模块也必须一并引入，大量的各种类型的cpan模块势必会给我们今后的发布带来困难，我们会很难保证这些模块在多种平台上的运行能力，而且如果软件进一步的发展，这个模块如果无法适用我们的要求，我们将会陷入被动的局面，而且在纠错方面，我们需要查找的工作量会很大，有可能必须查找每个引入的模块才能解决问题。
>>
>>> 3.该模块已经长时间稳定的存在，或者充分证实了这个模块可以基本无问题的运行。
>>>
>>>
>> 4.在引入一个模块的时候，我之前已经说了：发邮件通知大家。然后给出你的模块在shellweb中的用法实例，大家去根据我上面的规则查阅一下印证一下。
>>
>>>
>> 在项目的初期，我们并不要求很快的完成某项任务，而是为了以后能快速的完成任务打下好的基础，为了避免项目进入后期因为某些自己不能把握的事情而拖入泥潭，所以前期我想尽量的谨慎一些。这是我现在对于项目的主导想法。
>>
>>> 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm...>:
>>>
>>>> alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML;
>>>> 这么写的话：
>>>> if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) {
>>>> $config{window_size_width}=$1;
>>>> next;
>>>> }
>>>> 一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny Config::IniFiles 等
>>>>
>>>> 我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已经写过的
>>>> 代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>>>>
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:27:27
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因为配置文件是必须的。大家讨论是否可以引入一个配置文件模块。 比如 YAML Config::iniFiles Config::Tiny 之类的。或者还是直接写 perl 代码。 我个人倾向于 YAML yudong zhang wrote: > alexe.cn <http://alexe.cn>: > > > 我觉得你的观点很有道理，因为我之前在开发其他的项目的时候，就遇到过类似 > 的情形，使用第三方代码的时候的确需要谨慎一些。 > > On 12/28/05, *ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...>* < > ale...@gm... <mailto:ale...@gm...>> wrote: > > :) > 我来解释一下尽量少用cpan模块的原因： > 首先，我并不是排斥用cpan模块，好的cpan模块当然可以采用。 > 但是，采用一个cpan模块必须保证以下的前提： > 1.可移植性。可以正常的在我们所需要的多平台下运行，要知道有些模块在 > linux下可以运行，但是win32下不能运行，这种模块我们不能使用。 > 2.依赖性较低。有很多优秀的cpan模块，需要依赖其他的cpan模块才能运 > 行，如果我们引入了这个cpan模块，那么其他的cpan模块也必须一并引入， > 大量的各种类型的cpan模块势必会给我们今后的发布带来困难，我们会很难 > 保证这些模块在多种平台上的运行能力，而且如果软件进一步的发展，这个 > 模块如果无法适用我们的要求，我们将会陷入被动的局面，而且在纠错方 > 面，我们需要查找的工作量会很大，有可能必须查找每个引入的模块才能解 > 决问题。 > 3.该模块已经长时间稳定的存在，或者充分证实了这个模块可以基本无问题 > 的运行。 > 4.在引入一个模块的时候，我之前已经说了：发邮件通知大家。然后给出你 > 的模块在shellweb中的用法实例，大家去根据我上面的规则查阅一下印证一下。 > > 在项目的初期，我们并不要求很快的完成某项任务，而是为了以后能快速的 > 完成任务打下好的基础，为了避免项目进入后期因为某些自己不能把握的事 > 情而拖入泥潭，所以前期我想尽量的谨慎一些。这是我现在对于项目的主导 > 想法。 > > > 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm... <mailto:fa...@gm...>>: > > alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML; > > 这么写的话： > > if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) { > > $config{window_size_width}=$1; > > next; > > } > > 一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny > Config::IniFiles 等 > > > > 我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已 > 经写过的 > > 代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。 > > > > -- > > Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep > through log files > > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD > SPLUNK! > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > <http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click> > > > > > > > -- > +--------------------------------------------+ > |By Alexe (http://www.alexe.cn)| <http://www.alexe.cn%29%7C> > +--------------------------------------------+ > > -- Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ |
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From: yudong z. <sec...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:22:28
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From: <ale...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:21:13
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 07:07:32
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我觉得当成一个模块来对待比较好。就像我刚才讲的那样
lib/ShellWeb.pm
lib/ShellWeb/Layout/Pre.pm
lib/ShellWeb/Layout/Img.pm
lib/ShellWeb/Fecth/HTTPS.pm
lib/ShellWeb/Fecth/FTP.pm
.. etc.
这样还有个好处，测试 t/* 文件的时候运行
prove -l t/*
就能用 Test::Harness 来测试文件并且显示报告了。
我觉的现在最重要的不是代码，而是文件目录结构。一个程序的流程。
弄好了直接往里面填代码就可以了。
ale...@gm... wrote:
> 赞同OO写法。
> OO写法确实在后期十分的实用。
> 大家已经看到现在的代码了，:)，抱歉，只是想快速的先写个设计原型出来。
> 对于项目的基本设计大家有些了解了吗？
> 在filelist.cn文件中我稍微阐述了一点。讨论一下？
>
> 在 05-12-28，fayland<fa...@gm...> 写道：
>
>> yes, 同感。
>> OO 将很容易将功能拆分。
>>
>> Anthony WU wrote:
>>
>>> 我比建使用 OO 的法
>>> 例如
>>> ShellWeb/socket.pm
>>> ShellWeb/socket/ssl.pm
>>> ShellWeb/html.pm
>>> ShellWeb/html/css.pm
>>> ShellWeb/layout.pm
>>> ShellWeb/layout/link.pm
>>> ShellWeb/layout/image.pm
>>>
>>> 使用
>>> ====
>>> my $imageout = new ShellWeb::layout::image ('
>>> http://aaa.aaa.com/aaa.jpeg') <http://aaa.aaa.com/aaa.jpeg%27%29>;
>>> ====
>>> package ShellWeb::layout::image
>>> sub new
>>> {
>>> my $get = new ShellWeb::socket (.....);
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>> 的方法，做修改及外加、用比方便
>>>
>>>
>>> 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm... <mailto:fa...@gm...>>:
>>>
>>> 我认为我们还是以模块的形式组织文件结构比较好。
>>> 我的建议是：
>>> lib/ShellWeb.pm
>>> lib/ShellWeb/xxx.pm
>>> 这样可以将其打包给 CPAN
>>> 而运行的话可以考虑 shellweb.pl 这么写：
>>>
>>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>>>
>>> use strict;
>>> use ShellWeb;
>>>
>>> ShellWeb->run(param => '1'); # 参数
>>>
>>> 1;
>>>
>>> 而目前这种 file_queue.pm 比较 ugly.
>>> 如果诸位认同我的意见的话，我可以用 module-starter 来建立这个结构。
>>>
>>> --
>>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From: <ale...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 06:25:25
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From: Anthony WU <ant...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 06:17:32
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From: <ale...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 06:15:02
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 05:55:44
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yes, 同感。
OO 将很容易将功能拆分。
Anthony WU wrote:
> 我比建使用 OO 的法
> 例如
> ShellWeb/socket.pm
> ShellWeb/socket/ssl.pm
> ShellWeb/html.pm
> ShellWeb/html/css.pm
> ShellWeb/layout.pm
> ShellWeb/layout/link.pm
> ShellWeb/layout/image.pm
>
> 使用
> ====
> my $imageout = new ShellWeb::layout::image ('
> http://aaa.aaa.com/aaa.jpeg') <http://aaa.aaa.com/aaa.jpeg%27%29>;
> ====
> package ShellWeb::layout::image
> sub new
> {
> my $get = new ShellWeb::socket (.....);
> }
>
>
> 的方法，做修改及外加、用比方便
>
>
> 2005/12/28, fayland <fa...@gm... <mailto:fa...@gm...>>:
>
> 我认为我们还是以模块的形式组织文件结构比较好。
> 我的建议是：
> lib/ShellWeb.pm
> lib/ShellWeb/xxx.pm
> 这样可以将其打包给 CPAN
> 而运行的话可以考虑 shellweb.pl 这么写：
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> use strict;
> use ShellWeb;
>
> ShellWeb->run(param => '1'); # 参数
>
> 1;
>
> 而目前这种 file_queue.pm 比较 ugly.
> 如果诸位认同我的意见的话，我可以用 module-starter 来建立这个结构。
>
> --
> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>
>
>
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From: Anthony WU <ant...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 05:47:47
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 05:12:46
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alexa 的 SYSTEM_CONFIG 是否可以考虑用 use YAML;
这么写的话：
if ($config=~m/^window_size_width=(.*)/) {
$config{window_size_width}=$1;
next;
}
一旦配置多了就麻烦死了。或许还可以考虑 Config::Tiny Config::IniFiles 等
我总觉的能用 CPAN 模块就用 CPAN 模块。何必浪费时间再写一次别人已经写过的
代码呢。用这些大家都在用的模块能让 ShellWeb 的代码更少更清晰。
--
Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
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From: fayland <fa...@gm...> - 2005-12-28 05:06:18
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我认为我们还是以模块的形式组织文件结构比较好。 我的建议是： lib/ShellWeb.pm lib/ShellWeb/xxx.pm 这样可以将其打包给 CPAN 而运行的话可以考虑 shellweb.pl 这么写： #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use ShellWeb; ShellWeb->run(param => '1'); # 参数 1; 而目前这种 file_queue.pm 比较 ugly. 如果诸位认同我的意见的话，我可以用 module-starter 来建立这个结构。 -- Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ |
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From: yudong z. <sec...@gm...> - 2005-12-27 02:54:42
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From: nan <ray...@gm...> - 2005-12-27 02:11:17
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