Re[2]: [SNG-chat] My choice : Java

[Rory <ro...@ca...>]

Hello Dan,

Saturday, December 21, 2002, 4:50:42 AM, you wrote:

DM> I might as well jump in here, seems like as a good a time as any.
DM> My name is Dan Morey and I'm 27 and have been using IRC since Feb. of 96 and I have been involved in
DM> several networks over the years. What I'd like to comment on is your list of the three kinds of
DM> people who run services.

>> People running services can be classified into 3 categories :
>> - people running services on a shell account. Those pay much for this,
>>   and can ask the shell provider to install packages for gcc 3.2 or
>>   sun's jdk.
>> - people running services on a machine they have root. Those can install
>>   gcc 3.2 or sun's jdk themselves.
>> - people running services on a machine they know the root personally, so
>>   they can ask.

DM> This is a fairly complete list but I strongly disagree with the first assumption. Shell companies do
DM> not really care about the client; people who want to run IRCd and services are a dime a dozen and
DM> usually more headache than they are worth because IRC networks attract DoS attacks. You would think
DM> that they would know this and if they cared that much not host IRCd plans. I recently ran into a
DM> problem on the shell we ran services on, we needed sendmail or qmail installed to use sendpass on
DM> Epona services, when we asked the admin to enable/install this we were told that there are 12 other
DM> people on that machine running IRCd and services and they hadn't asked for it so he wasn't going to
DM> do it. We ended up moving services to another machine and the admin is thinking about canceling her
DM> account.

DM> Granted a lot of networks do have at least one server that is linked where they have root or know
DM> someone who has root, but I really think that compatibility of existing systems/hardware should be
DM> seriously considered. I don't think you should assume that shell renters are going to be able to get
DM> the things that services need installed on the machines they use if they aren't there already. If it
DM> turns out to be a major headache people are just going to say screw it and find services that are
DM> easier to install.

DM> Just my two cents.

DM> Dan Morey

I would have to second that, Dan. I run Services on a shell account
(came as a package deal with the ircd account) and I know for a fact
that very few, if any, providers would give a damn about installing
something extra at the request of a customer. You takes what you've
signed up for or go elsewhere. No skin off their nose.



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Rory                            
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