Re: [Senserelate-developers] wordnet-similarity web server up on marimba

[Ted P. <dul...@gm...>]

Thanks Sid,

As you can see I have a lot to learn about managing an ubuntu system.
:) This is very
helpful indeed, and it's good to know that I can get tk and tcl from
apt-get in a form that
WordNet can use. They are sometimes a little tricky to deal with for
some reason.

I do agree, I think it would be nice to move away from relying on
WNHOME and dict -
I think some of the Perl testers have mentioned that about QueryData,
in that it's a
fairly unusual thing for a Perl module to require an environment
variable to be set like that.

And, ubuntu really does seem to be catching on, so I suspect more
users may potentially
come to use with apt-get style installs, and it really is a pretty
nice way to do things, so
it would be nice to support that. So I think ubuntu style
distributions of WordNet-Similarity
etc. would be quite nice.

And in fact for some of our other packages I have noticed that people
have put together
rpms and things like that. For example, there are rpms for Text-NSP
for a few different
distributions I think, which is nice.

Thanks again,
Ted

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Siddharth Patwardhan <si...@cs...> wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
>> BTW, I attempted to install WordNet using apt-get, as in ....
>>
>> apt-get install wordnet
>>
>> and while that did install the wn command, it did not seem to
>> install tk or tcl or any of the WordNet dict files, so it was mostly worthless
>> for our purposes. :)
>
> Actually, they've divided wordnet into a number of different packages.
> Doing something like:
>
> apt-get install wordnet wordnet-base wordnet-dev wordnet-grind wordnet-sense-index
>
> should install all the WordNet stuff. Also, these packages install
> wordnet data file in a different location than the official sources.
> You should find the data files under: /usr/share/wordnet
>
> But even so, it is mostly worthless for our Perl modules... not because
> the data files don't exist, but because of the way our modules locate
> these data files. We currently rely on WNHOME to locate the base
> directory for WordNet, and the modules then append "/dict" to this to
> get the data directory. But for the above installation there is no
> base directory and dict directory. So I think the fault is with our
> (and QueryData) modules (to assume that the data files would always
> occur under a "dict" directory).
>
> If our modules don't find the data files under WNHOME then they default
> to looking under /usr/local/WordNet-3.0. So, this default is different
> for ubuntu systems. For this reason, I was imagining creating ubuntu
> packages for WordNet-QueryData and WordNet-Similarity, which can use
> these different defaults and depend on these existing packages... and
> somewhere in the future we could simply install these by:
>
> apt-get install libwordnet-querydata-perl libwordnet-similarity-perl
>
> :)
>
>> So I went back and installed WordNet by downloading the tar file
>> from WordNet, and configuring, etc. as usual. It did not find tk and tcl
>> on my system, so I installed those via
>>
>> apt-get install tcl
>> apt-get install tk
>>
>> but that did not seem to satisfy WordNet, as it was looking for certain
>> header files in those distributions I think....so I had to install Tk and Tcl
>> as usual (by downloading, etc.)
>
> Actually, again they've separated tcl and tk into separate modules...
> and I think installing tcl-dev and tk-dev:
>
> apt-get install tcl-dev tk-dev
>
> should install the required libraries to install WordNet.
>
>> Anyway, once I did the usual WordNet install, then I installed WordNet-
>> Similarity via CPAN
>>
>> cpan
>> >install WordNet-Similarity
>>
>> and that worked just fine (as it usually does).
>>
>> So, even in the ubuntu world of apt-get, we'll still need to install WordNet
>> and Tk, Tcl as before, although I don't expect we'll have to do that too often.
>
> I think, for now, we do need to install WordNet from source (even
> though the WordNet data files do get installed using apt-get), but
> everything else is available through apt-get.
>
> Also, I think it would be good to modify our modules so that they can be
> easily used with the non-standard location of WordNet data files.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Sid.
>
>
>



-- 
Ted Pedersen
http://www.d.umn.edu/~tpederse