From: badon <fas...@gm...> - 2011-07-24 18:58:57
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I posted this on bugzilla here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the name of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given a name." Anybody have any ideas for a workaround? I suspect there's more than one way to do this using semantic forms, but nothing seems to be simple for the user. My next experiment will be with letting Semantic Forms create a temporary page to hold semantic data for a file, with the file page separately created by the upload process, and then using a bot to move that data over to the file page, and deleting the temporary page. I've never done anything like that before, so I don't know how well it will work, but I'm hoping it will be simple for the user that way, even if it's hard for me. If anyone has solved this in a better way than that, or if you have ideas of other ways it could be done, please tell me. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32127155.html Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Yaron K. <ya...@wi...> - 2011-07-24 21:25:32
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Hi, this sounds to me like a misdiagnosis - it sounds like you want to add a template call to the wiki page for every uploaded file, and the real issue is that SF doesn't support a thing. If so, that's true, and such a thing would be nice to have. In the meantime, probably the best solution is to make a default form for the "File:" namespace - that way, users can use the form to add in the relevant data, after the file has already been uploaded. -Yaron On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 2:58 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: > > I posted this on bugzilla here: > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 > > "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. This > is > a > problem if SF is being used to upload files that are supposed to have > semantic > data associated with them, because the name of the page is not known until > AFTER the file is uploaded and given a name." > > Anybody have any ideas for a workaround? I suspect there's more than one > way > to do this using semantic forms, but nothing seems to be simple for the > user. > > My next experiment will be with letting Semantic Forms create a temporary > page to hold semantic data for a file, with the file page separately > created > by the upload process, and then using a bot to move that data over to the > file page, and deleting the temporary page. > > I've never done anything like that before, so I don't know how well it will > work, but I'm hoping it will be simple for the user that way, even if it's > hard for me. > > If anyone has solved this in a better way than that, or if you have ideas > of > other ways it could be done, please tell me. > -- > View this message in context: > http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32127155.html > Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention > Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes in-depth > analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to > evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com |
From: Stephan G. <f....@gm...> - 2011-07-24 21:51:25
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Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: > > I posted this on bugzilla here: > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 > > "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. > This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are > supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the name > of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given a > name." Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read the section about the one step process, right? [1] In your case I think something like this should work: <includeonly> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} {{{for template|FileInfo}}} {| class="formtable" ! Filename: | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} |- ! Description: | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} |} {{{end template}}} {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} </includeonly> Cheers, Stephan [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process |
From: badon <fas...@gm...> - 2011-07-25 17:06:53
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This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not understand that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm going to add an application note/example that describes how to use this technique for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can handle file pages effortlessly. Once again, thank you! Stephan Gambke wrote: > > Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: >> >> I posted this on bugzilla here: >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 >> >> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. >> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are >> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the name >> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given a >> name." > > Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read the > section about the one step process, right? [1] > > In your case I think something like this should work: > > <includeonly> > {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} > {{{for template|FileInfo}}} > {| class="formtable" > ! Filename: > | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} > |- > ! Description: > | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} > |} > {{{end template}}} > {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} > </includeonly> > > Cheers, > Stephan > > > [1] > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention > Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes in-depth > analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to > evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32133468.html Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: badon <fas...@gm...> - 2011-07-25 21:21:40
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Here is the new section, with detailed examples of how to use Semantic Forms for file uploads. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads I think I did a decent job explaining that in a simple way so that newcomers can start using it immediately. Please fix anything you see that should be corrected or clarified. Once again, thank you. Because of your info, my site works better, and now we have a nice new section in the documentation that explains how to do this. badon wrote: > > This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not understand > that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm going to > add an application note/example that describes how to use this technique > for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can handle > file pages effortlessly. > > Once again, thank you! > > > > > Stephan Gambke wrote: >> >> Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: >>> >>> I posted this on bugzilla here: >>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 >>> >>> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. >>> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are >>> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the name >>> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given a >>> name." >> >> Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read the >> section about the one step process, right? [1] >> >> In your case I think something like this should work: >> >> <includeonly> >> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} >> {{{for template|FileInfo}}} >> {| class="formtable" >> ! Filename: >> | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} >> |- >> ! Description: >> | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} >> |} >> {{{end template}}} >> {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} >> </includeonly> >> >> Cheers, >> Stephan >> >> >> [1] >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention >> Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes >> in-depth >> analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to >> evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32135581.html Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: badon <fas...@gm...> - 2011-07-25 23:10:32
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That helpful, easy to utilize information has been deleted: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms#removing_detailed_examples_requires_people_to_annoy_developers_for_basic_help The next poor sap that tries to use SMW is going to have to pay somebody $100+ per hour to do this simple thing for them now... http://old.nabble.com/Why-you-will-regret-asking-SMW-people-about-paid-support-tt32122897.html I am disappointed. Here's the information, in case somebody manages to find it with a lucky google search or something: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Semantic_Forms&oldid=420937#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads badon wrote: > > Here is the new section, with detailed examples of how to use Semantic > Forms for file uploads. > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads > > I think I did a decent job explaining that in a simple way so that > newcomers can start using it immediately. Please fix anything you see that > should be corrected or clarified. Once again, thank you. Because of your > info, my site works better, and now we have a nice new section in the > documentation that explains how to do this. > > > badon wrote: >> >> This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not understand >> that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm going to >> add an application note/example that describes how to use this technique >> for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can >> handle file pages effortlessly. >> >> Once again, thank you! >> >> >> >> >> Stephan Gambke wrote: >>> >>> Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: >>>> >>>> I posted this on bugzilla here: >>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 >>>> >>>> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. >>>> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are >>>> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the name >>>> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given a >>>> name." >>> >>> Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read the >>> section about the one step process, right? [1] >>> >>> In your case I think something like this should work: >>> >>> <includeonly> >>> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} >>> {{{for template|FileInfo}}} >>> {| class="formtable" >>> ! Filename: >>> | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} >>> |- >>> ! Description: >>> | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} >>> |} >>> {{{end template}}} >>> {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} >>> </includeonly> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Stephan >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention >>> Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes >>> in-depth >>> analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to >>> evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list >>> Sem...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >>> >>> >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136227.html Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Yaron K. <ya...@wi...> - 2011-07-25 23:21:32
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Actually, the information wasn't deleted per se, it was moved - and the old location has a link to the new location. (The SF documentation page is intended for direct information SF's components, while the new location, as a "tip" on smw.referata.com, is where helpful ways to make use of SF usually go.) -Yaron On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:10 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: > > That helpful, easy to utilize information has been deleted: > > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms#removing_detailed_examples_requires_people_to_annoy_developers_for_basic_help > > The next poor sap that tries to use SMW is going to have to pay somebody > $100+ per hour to do this simple thing for them now... > > > http://old.nabble.com/Why-you-will-regret-asking-SMW-people-about-paid-support-tt32122897.html > > I am disappointed. > > Here's the information, in case somebody manages to find it with a lucky > google search or something: > > > http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Semantic_Forms&oldid=420937#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads > > > > > badon wrote: > > > > Here is the new section, with detailed examples of how to use Semantic > > Forms for file uploads. > > > > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads > > > > I think I did a decent job explaining that in a simple way so that > > newcomers can start using it immediately. Please fix anything you see > that > > should be corrected or clarified. Once again, thank you. Because of your > > info, my site works better, and now we have a nice new section in the > > documentation that explains how to do this. > > > > > > badon wrote: > >> > >> This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not > understand > >> that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm going > to > >> add an application note/example that describes how to use this technique > >> for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can > >> handle file pages effortlessly. > >> > >> Once again, thank you! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Stephan Gambke wrote: > >>> > >>> Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: > >>>> > >>>> I posted this on bugzilla here: > >>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 > >>>> > >>>> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. > >>>> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are > >>>> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the name > >>>> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given a > >>>> name." > >>> > >>> Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read the > >>> section about the one step process, right? [1] > >>> > >>> In your case I think something like this should work: > >>> > >>> <includeonly> > >>> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} > >>> {{{for template|FileInfo}}} > >>> {| class="formtable" > >>> ! Filename: > >>> | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} > >>> |- > >>> ! Description: > >>> | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} > >>> |} > >>> {{{end template}}} > >>> {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} > >>> </includeonly> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Stephan > >>> > >>> > >>> [1] > >>> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention > >>> Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes > >>> in-depth > >>> analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to > >>> evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. > >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list > >>> Sem...@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136227.html > Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Storage Efficiency Calculator > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization engage- > ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to > the right place. Try It Now! > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com |
From: badon <fas...@gm...> - 2011-07-25 23:39:41
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I don't think you should spend your incredibly valuable time on deleting documentation. You should leave that to somebody who doesn't make more money by hiding information. That's a conflict of interest if I've ever seen one. Yaron Koren-2 wrote: > > Actually, the information wasn't deleted per se, it was moved - and the > old > location has a link to the new location. (The SF documentation page is > intended for direct information SF's components, while the new location, > as > a "tip" on smw.referata.com, is where helpful ways to make use of SF > usually > go.) > > -Yaron > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:10 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: > >> >> That helpful, easy to utilize information has been deleted: >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms#removing_detailed_examples_requires_people_to_annoy_developers_for_basic_help >> >> The next poor sap that tries to use SMW is going to have to pay somebody >> $100+ per hour to do this simple thing for them now... >> >> >> http://old.nabble.com/Why-you-will-regret-asking-SMW-people-about-paid-support-tt32122897.html >> >> I am disappointed. >> >> Here's the information, in case somebody manages to find it with a lucky >> google search or something: >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Semantic_Forms&oldid=420937#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads >> >> >> >> >> badon wrote: >> > >> > Here is the new section, with detailed examples of how to use Semantic >> > Forms for file uploads. >> > >> > >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads >> > >> > I think I did a decent job explaining that in a simple way so that >> > newcomers can start using it immediately. Please fix anything you see >> that >> > should be corrected or clarified. Once again, thank you. Because of >> your >> > info, my site works better, and now we have a nice new section in the >> > documentation that explains how to do this. >> > >> > >> > badon wrote: >> >> >> >> This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not >> understand >> >> that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm going >> to >> >> add an application note/example that describes how to use this >> technique >> >> for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can >> >> handle file pages effortlessly. >> >> >> >> Once again, thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephan Gambke wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: >> >>>> >> >>>> I posted this on bugzilla here: >> >>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 >> >>>> >> >>>> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create it. >> >>>> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are >> >>>> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the >> name >> >>>> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given >> a >> >>>> name." >> >>> >> >>> Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read the >> >>> section about the one step process, right? [1] >> >>> >> >>> In your case I think something like this should work: >> >>> >> >>> <includeonly> >> >>> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} >> >>> {{{for template|FileInfo}}} >> >>> {| class="formtable" >> >>> ! Filename: >> >>> | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} >> >>> |- >> >>> ! Description: >> >>> | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} >> >>> |} >> >>> {{{end template}}} >> >>> {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} >> >>> </includeonly> >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Stephan >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> [1] >> >>> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention >> >>> Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes >> >>> in-depth >> >>> analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used >> to >> >>> evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. >> >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> >>> Sem...@li... >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136227.html >> Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Storage Efficiency Calculator >> This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that >> has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization >> engage- >> ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to >> the right place. Try It Now! >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> > > > > -- > WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Storage Efficiency Calculator > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization engage- > ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to > the right place. Try It Now! > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136379.html Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Yaron K. <ya...@wi...> - 2011-07-25 23:49:48
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I "deleted" it because I didn't think it was worth adding 5K of text to an already-very-large 75K documentation page just to add one particular user tip. It's important to keep the documentation useful and readable - sometimes too much text can be as bad as too little. Anyway, if you think my contributions are just a money-making scam, you should stop using my software... -Yaron On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:39 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: > > I don't think you should spend your incredibly valuable time on deleting > documentation. You should leave that to somebody who doesn't make more > money > by hiding information. > > That's a conflict of interest if I've ever seen one. > > > > > Yaron Koren-2 wrote: > > > > Actually, the information wasn't deleted per se, it was moved - and the > > old > > location has a link to the new location. (The SF documentation page is > > intended for direct information SF's components, while the new location, > > as > > a "tip" on smw.referata.com, is where helpful ways to make use of SF > > usually > > go.) > > > > -Yaron > > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:10 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: > > > >> > >> That helpful, easy to utilize information has been deleted: > >> > >> > >> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms#removing_detailed_examples_requires_people_to_annoy_developers_for_basic_help > >> > >> The next poor sap that tries to use SMW is going to have to pay somebody > >> $100+ per hour to do this simple thing for them now... > >> > >> > >> > http://old.nabble.com/Why-you-will-regret-asking-SMW-people-about-paid-support-tt32122897.html > >> > >> I am disappointed. > >> > >> Here's the information, in case somebody manages to find it with a lucky > >> google search or something: > >> > >> > >> > http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Semantic_Forms&oldid=420937#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> badon wrote: > >> > > >> > Here is the new section, with detailed examples of how to use Semantic > >> > Forms for file uploads. > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads > >> > > >> > I think I did a decent job explaining that in a simple way so that > >> > newcomers can start using it immediately. Please fix anything you see > >> that > >> > should be corrected or clarified. Once again, thank you. Because of > >> your > >> > info, my site works better, and now we have a nice new section in the > >> > documentation that explains how to do this. > >> > > >> > > >> > badon wrote: > >> >> > >> >> This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not > >> understand > >> >> that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm > going > >> to > >> >> add an application note/example that describes how to use this > >> technique > >> >> for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can > >> >> handle file pages effortlessly. > >> >> > >> >> Once again, thank you! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Stephan Gambke wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I posted this on bugzilla here: > >> >>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create > it. > >> >>>> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are > >> >>>> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the > >> name > >> >>>> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and given > >> a > >> >>>> name." > >> >>> > >> >>> Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read the > >> >>> section about the one step process, right? [1] > >> >>> > >> >>> In your case I think something like this should work: > >> >>> > >> >>> <includeonly> > >> >>> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} > >> >>> {{{for template|FileInfo}}} > >> >>> {| class="formtable" > >> >>> ! Filename: > >> >>> | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} > >> >>> |- > >> >>> ! Description: > >> >>> | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} > >> >>> |} > >> >>> {{{end template}}} > >> >>> {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} > >> >>> </includeonly> > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheers, > >> >>> Stephan > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> [1] > >> >>> > >> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >>> Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention > >> >>> Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes > >> >>> in-depth > >> >>> analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used > >> to > >> >>> evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. > >> >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list > >> >>> Sem...@li... > >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> > http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136227.html > >> Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at > >> Nabble.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Storage Efficiency Calculator > >> This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that > >> has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization > >> engage- > >> ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data > to > >> the right place. Try It Now! > >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Semediawiki-user mailing list > >> Sem...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Storage Efficiency Calculator > > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that > > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization > engage- > > ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to > > the right place. 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From: badon <fas...@gm...> - 2011-07-26 00:12:52
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Non-sequitur. When people pay you, they should get something impressive for their $100 per hour, not basics like uploading a file. I can tell them how to do that for free, and you shouldn't be trying to stop me, unless you're a villain. Mediawiki subpages. Not delete. Not move. Not hide. Not $100 per hour support. Subpages. Problem solved. You write the software, I'll write the documentation. Deal? Yaron Koren-2 wrote: > > I "deleted" it because I didn't think it was worth adding 5K of text to an > already-very-large 75K documentation page just to add one particular user > tip. It's important to keep the documentation useful and readable - > sometimes too much text can be as bad as too little. > > Anyway, if you think my contributions are just a money-making scam, you > should stop using my software... > > -Yaron > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:39 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: > >> >> I don't think you should spend your incredibly valuable time on deleting >> documentation. You should leave that to somebody who doesn't make more >> money >> by hiding information. >> >> That's a conflict of interest if I've ever seen one. >> >> >> >> >> Yaron Koren-2 wrote: >> > >> > Actually, the information wasn't deleted per se, it was moved - and the >> > old >> > location has a link to the new location. (The SF documentation page is >> > intended for direct information SF's components, while the new >> location, >> > as >> > a "tip" on smw.referata.com, is where helpful ways to make use of SF >> > usually >> > go.) >> > >> > -Yaron >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:10 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> That helpful, easy to utilize information has been deleted: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms#removing_detailed_examples_requires_people_to_annoy_developers_for_basic_help >> >> >> >> The next poor sap that tries to use SMW is going to have to pay >> somebody >> >> $100+ per hour to do this simple thing for them now... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://old.nabble.com/Why-you-will-regret-asking-SMW-people-about-paid-support-tt32122897.html >> >> >> >> I am disappointed. >> >> >> >> Here's the information, in case somebody manages to find it with a >> lucky >> >> google search or something: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Semantic_Forms&oldid=420937#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> badon wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Here is the new section, with detailed examples of how to use >> Semantic >> >> > Forms for file uploads. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads >> >> > >> >> > I think I did a decent job explaining that in a simple way so that >> >> > newcomers can start using it immediately. Please fix anything you >> see >> >> that >> >> > should be corrected or clarified. Once again, thank you. Because of >> >> your >> >> > info, my site works better, and now we have a nice new section in >> the >> >> > documentation that explains how to do this. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > badon wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not >> >> understand >> >> >> that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm >> going >> >> to >> >> >> add an application note/example that describes how to use this >> >> technique >> >> >> for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can >> >> >> handle file pages effortlessly. >> >> >> >> >> >> Once again, thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephan Gambke wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I posted this on bugzilla here: >> >> >>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create >> it. >> >> >>>> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are >> >> >>>> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the >> >> name >> >> >>>> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and >> given >> >> a >> >> >>>> name." >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read >> the >> >> >>> section about the one step process, right? [1] >> >> >>> >> >> >>> In your case I think something like this should work: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> <includeonly> >> >> >>> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} >> >> >>> {{{for template|FileInfo}}} >> >> >>> {| class="formtable" >> >> >>> ! Filename: >> >> >>> | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} >> >> >>> |- >> >> >>> ! Description: >> >> >>> | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} >> >> >>> |} >> >> >>> {{{end template}}} >> >> >>> {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} >> >> >>> </includeonly> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >> >> >>> Stephan >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> [1] >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>> Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention >> >> >>> Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes >> >> >>> in-depth >> >> >>> analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria >> used >> >> to >> >> >>> evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. >> >> >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> >> >>> Sem...@li... >> >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> View this message in context: >> >> >> http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136227.html >> >> Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at >> >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Storage Efficiency Calculator >> >> This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property >> that >> >> has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization >> >> engage- >> >> ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data >> to >> >> the right place. Try It Now! >> >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> >> Sem...@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Storage Efficiency Calculator >> > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property >> that >> > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization >> engage- >> > ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data >> to >> > the right place. Try It Now! >> > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Semediawiki-user mailing list >> > Sem...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> > >> > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136379.html >> Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Storage Efficiency Calculator >> This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that >> has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization >> engage- >> ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to >> the right place. Try It Now! >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> > > > > -- > WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Storage Efficiency Calculator > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization engage- > ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to > the right place. Try It Now! > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136484.html Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: badon <fas...@gm...> - 2011-07-26 00:12:55
|
Non-sequitur. When people pay you, they should get something impressive for their $100 per hour, not basics like uploading a file. I can tell them how to do that for free, and you shouldn't be trying to stop me, unless you're a villain. Mediawiki subpages. Not delete. Not move. Not hide. Not $100 per hour support. Subpages. Problem solved. You write the software, I'll write the documentation. Deal? Yaron Koren-2 wrote: > > I "deleted" it because I didn't think it was worth adding 5K of text to an > already-very-large 75K documentation page just to add one particular user > tip. It's important to keep the documentation useful and readable - > sometimes too much text can be as bad as too little. > > Anyway, if you think my contributions are just a money-making scam, you > should stop using my software... > > -Yaron > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:39 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: > >> >> I don't think you should spend your incredibly valuable time on deleting >> documentation. You should leave that to somebody who doesn't make more >> money >> by hiding information. >> >> That's a conflict of interest if I've ever seen one. >> >> >> >> >> Yaron Koren-2 wrote: >> > >> > Actually, the information wasn't deleted per se, it was moved - and the >> > old >> > location has a link to the new location. (The SF documentation page is >> > intended for direct information SF's components, while the new >> location, >> > as >> > a "tip" on smw.referata.com, is where helpful ways to make use of SF >> > usually >> > go.) >> > >> > -Yaron >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:10 PM, badon <fas...@gm...> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> That helpful, easy to utilize information has been deleted: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms#removing_detailed_examples_requires_people_to_annoy_developers_for_basic_help >> >> >> >> The next poor sap that tries to use SMW is going to have to pay >> somebody >> >> $100+ per hour to do this simple thing for them now... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://old.nabble.com/Why-you-will-regret-asking-SMW-people-about-paid-support-tt32122897.html >> >> >> >> I am disappointed. >> >> >> >> Here's the information, in case somebody manages to find it with a >> lucky >> >> google search or something: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Semantic_Forms&oldid=420937#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> badon wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Here is the new section, with detailed examples of how to use >> Semantic >> >> > Forms for file uploads. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads >> >> > >> >> > I think I did a decent job explaining that in a simple way so that >> >> > newcomers can start using it immediately. Please fix anything you >> see >> >> that >> >> > should be corrected or clarified. Once again, thank you. Because of >> >> your >> >> > info, my site works better, and now we have a nice new section in >> the >> >> > documentation that explains how to do this. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > badon wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> This information worked for me, thank you very much. I did not >> >> understand >> >> >> that the one-step process could be used to solve my problem. I'm >> going >> >> to >> >> >> add an application note/example that describes how to use this >> >> technique >> >> >> for file pages. I consider it a workaround until Semantic Forms can >> >> >> handle file pages effortlessly. >> >> >> >> >> >> Once again, thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephan Gambke wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Am 24.07.2011 20:58, schrieb badon: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I posted this on bugzilla here: >> >> >>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30034 >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> "Semantic Forms requires the name of a page BEFORE it can create >> it. >> >> >>>> This is a problem if SF is being used to upload files that are >> >> >>>> supposed to have semantic data associated with them, because the >> >> name >> >> >>>> of the page is not known until AFTER the file is uploaded and >> given >> >> a >> >> >>>> name." >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Um, I am not sure that I understood your problem right. You read >> the >> >> >>> section about the one step process, right? [1] >> >> >>> >> >> >>> In your case I think something like this should work: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> <includeonly> >> >> >>> {{{info|page name=File:<FileInfo[Filename]>}}} >> >> >>> {{{for template|FileInfo}}} >> >> >>> {| class="formtable" >> >> >>> ! Filename: >> >> >>> | {{{field|Filename|uploadable}}} >> >> >>> |- >> >> >>> ! Description: >> >> >>> | {{{field|Description|input type=textares}}} >> >> >>> |} >> >> >>> {{{end template}}} >> >> >>> {{{standard input|save}}} {{{standard input|cancel}}} >> >> >>> </includeonly> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >> >> >>> Stephan >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> [1] >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#The_one-step_process >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>> Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention >> >> >>> Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes >> >> >>> in-depth >> >> >>> analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria >> used >> >> to >> >> >>> evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. >> >> >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> >> >>> Sem...@li... >> >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> View this message in context: >> >> >> http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136227.html >> >> Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at >> >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Storage Efficiency Calculator >> >> This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property >> that >> >> has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization >> >> engage- >> >> ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data >> to >> >> the right place. Try It Now! >> >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> >> Sem...@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Storage Efficiency Calculator >> > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property >> that >> > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization >> engage- >> > ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data >> to >> > the right place. Try It Now! >> > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Semediawiki-user mailing list >> > Sem...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> > >> > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136379.html >> Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Storage Efficiency Calculator >> This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that >> has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization >> engage- >> ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to >> the right place. Try It Now! >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> > > > > -- > WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Storage Efficiency Calculator > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization engage- > ments, worldwide. Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to > the right place. Try It Now! > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Semantic-Forms-cannot-create-file-pages-tp32127155p32136485.html Sent from the Semantic Mediawiki - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |