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From: Tina T. <ti...@te...> - 2019-04-24 03:11:30
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When a page with a property in SMW gets edited, other pages with inline queries referencing that property don't update right away. The documentation for Cargo mentions a refresh tab *in SMW* [0]. This got me kind of excited because having to do null edits is almost an embarrassing thing to have to explain to people after trying to tell them that this is enterprise grade software. So, I tried to find a reference to it in the SMW documentation. I have not been able to, even though there are hints about it in a few places. There is a strange one about a "disrespectful change" [1], and another about being allowed to do a purge (but nothing about a tab, and when I set it to true no tab shows) [2]. Is there such a tab and it's just undocumented? Or is it documented but somehow I just am searching for it wrong? [0] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Other_features#%22Purge_cache%22_tab [1] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Null_edit [2] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$smwgQueryResultCacheRefreshOnPurge |
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From: Bryan H. <br...@te...> - 2019-04-24 04:05:29
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Hi Tina, Under the "More" tab/dropdown that usually has stuff like "Delete", "Move", "Protect", does your wiki have a "Purge cache" or "Refresh" link? It should just be a link to your page with "&action=purge" added. Regards, Bryan On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:12 PM Tina Tenbergen <ti...@te...> wrote: > When a page with a property in SMW gets edited, other pages with inline > queries referencing that property don't update right away. > The documentation for Cargo mentions a refresh tab *in SMW* [0]. This got > me kind of excited because having to do null edits is almost an > embarrassing thing to have to explain to people after trying to tell them > that this is enterprise grade software. So, I tried to find a reference to > it in the SMW documentation. I have not been able to, even though there are > hints about it in a few places. There is a strange one about a > "disrespectful change" [1], and another about being allowed to do a purge > (but nothing about a tab, and when I set it to true no tab shows) [2]. Is > there such a tab and it's just undocumented? Or is it documented but > somehow I just am searching for it wrong? > > [0] > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Other_features#%22Purge_cache%22_tab > [1] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Null_edit > [2] > > https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$smwgQueryResultCacheRefreshOnPurge > > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > |
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From: Tina T. <ti...@te...> - 2019-04-24 05:01:27
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Hi Bryan! I wonder if this is a skin thing - your description sounds like Vector. We still use the Monobook skin with all others disabled. It's what we started with way back, and a lot of our wiki instructions are based on it, so I never changed it to Vector when that kind of became the norm. Which makes me wonder - is Monobook still considered supported in SMW? And where would I find such a thing out? Thanks! T On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 22:38, Bryan Hilderbrand <bryanh@tegnosis.wiki> wrote: > Hi Tina, > > Under the "More" tab/dropdown that usually has stuff like "Delete", > "Move", "Protect", does your wiki have a "Purge cache" or "Refresh" link? > It should just be a link to your page with "&action=purge" added. > > Regards, > Bryan > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:12 PM Tina Tenbergen <ti...@te...> wrote: > >> When a page with a property in SMW gets edited, other pages with inline >> queries referencing that property don't update right away. >> The documentation for Cargo mentions a refresh tab *in SMW* [0]. This got >> me kind of excited because having to do null edits is almost an >> embarrassing thing to have to explain to people after trying to tell them >> that this is enterprise grade software. So, I tried to find a reference to >> it in the SMW documentation. I have not been able to, even though there >> are >> hints about it in a few places. There is a strange one about a >> "disrespectful change" [1], and another about being allowed to do a purge >> (but nothing about a tab, and when I set it to true no tab shows) [2]. Is >> there such a tab and it's just undocumented? Or is it documented but >> somehow I just am searching for it wrong? >> >> [0] >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Other_features#%22Purge_cache%22_tab >> [1] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Null_edit >> [2] >> >> https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$smwgQueryResultCacheRefreshOnPurge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-user mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >> > |
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From: James HK <jam...@gm...> - 2019-04-24 13:47:25
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Hi, > I wonder if this is a skin thing - your description sounds like Vector. We > me wonder - is Monobook still considered supported in SMW? And where would > I find such a thing out? SMW is skin agnostic and doesn't distinguish between skins as long as standard core hooks are provided. It has been observed in the past that some skins do not implement all hooks that are available in MW core, for example [0] shows a case where a specific skin is the reason why SMW is unable to support some functionality. >>> it in the SMW documentation. I have not been able to, even though ther >>> [1] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Null_edit This page has an image to help users realize how the tab/action should appear, if that doesn't happen then something is wrong with your installation, another extension is blocking or occupying the tab action, or the user has not enough rights [1] to perform this action. Since [2] the technical implementation has changed in MW and so in SMW which now requires JS to be enabled to make sure POST requests work similar to that what as a GET action before MW 1.28. [0] https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/pull/1049 [1] https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/blob/cb928a5b475e0fe7943ddb7789eb3f6947ed8f0e/src/MediaWiki/Hooks/SkinTemplateNavigation.php#L47-L54 [2] https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/issues/1585 [3] https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/pull/2502 Cheers On 4/24/19, Tina Tenbergen <ti...@te...> wrote: > Hi Bryan! > I wonder if this is a skin thing - your description sounds like Vector. We > still use the Monobook skin with all others disabled. It's what we started > with way back, and a lot of our wiki instructions are based on it, so I > never changed it to Vector when that kind of became the norm. Which makes > me wonder - is Monobook still considered supported in SMW? And where would > I find such a thing out? > Thanks! > T > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 22:38, Bryan Hilderbrand <bryanh@tegnosis.wiki> > wrote: > >> Hi Tina, >> >> Under the "More" tab/dropdown that usually has stuff like "Delete", >> "Move", "Protect", does your wiki have a "Purge cache" or "Refresh" link? >> It should just be a link to your page with "&action=purge" added. >> >> Regards, >> Bryan >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:12 PM Tina Tenbergen <ti...@te...> wrote: >> >>> When a page with a property in SMW gets edited, other pages with inline >>> queries referencing that property don't update right away. >>> The documentation for Cargo mentions a refresh tab *in SMW* [0]. This >>> got >>> me kind of excited because having to do null edits is almost an >>> embarrassing thing to have to explain to people after trying to tell >>> them >>> that this is enterprise grade software. So, I tried to find a reference >>> to >>> it in the SMW documentation. I have not been able to, even though there >>> are >>> hints about it in a few places. There is a strange one about a >>> "disrespectful change" [1], and another about being allowed to do a >>> purge >>> (but nothing about a tab, and when I set it to true no tab shows) [2]. >>> Is >>> there such a tab and it's just undocumented? Or is it documented but >>> somehow I just am searching for it wrong? >>> >>> [0] >>> >>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Other_features#%22Purge_cache%22_tab >>> [1] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Null_edit >>> [2] >>> >>> https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$smwgQueryResultCacheRefreshOnPurge >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list >>> Sem...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > |
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From: Tina T. <ti...@te...> - 2019-04-25 02:58:18
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The rights were it. Monobook can display the refresh tab just fine. Had to set $wgGroupPermissions['...']['purge'] = true; Thanks for mentioning permissions, it sent me off in the right direction. On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 08:47, James HK <jam...@gm...> wrote: > Hi, > > > I wonder if this is a skin thing - your description sounds like Vector. > We > > me wonder - is Monobook still considered supported in SMW? And where > would > > I find such a thing out? > > SMW is skin agnostic and doesn't distinguish between skins as long as > standard core hooks are provided. It has been observed in the past > that some skins do not implement all hooks that are available in MW > core, for example [0] shows a case where a specific skin is the reason > why SMW is unable to support some functionality. > > >>> it in the SMW documentation. I have not been able to, even though ther > >>> [1] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Null_edit > > This page has an image to help users realize how the tab/action should > appear, if that doesn't happen then something is wrong with your > installation, another extension is blocking or occupying the tab > action, or the user has not enough rights [1] to perform this action. > Since [2] the technical implementation has changed in MW and so in SMW > which now requires JS to be enabled to make sure POST requests work > similar to that what as a GET action before MW 1.28. > > [0] https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/pull/1049 > [1] > https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/blob/cb928a5b475e0fe7943ddb7789eb3f6947ed8f0e/src/MediaWiki/Hooks/SkinTemplateNavigation.php#L47-L54 > [2] https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/issues/1585 > [3] https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/pull/2502 > > Cheers > > On 4/24/19, Tina Tenbergen <ti...@te...> wrote: > > Hi Bryan! > > I wonder if this is a skin thing - your description sounds like Vector. > We > > still use the Monobook skin with all others disabled. It's what we > started > > with way back, and a lot of our wiki instructions are based on it, so I > > never changed it to Vector when that kind of became the norm. Which makes > > me wonder - is Monobook still considered supported in SMW? And where > would > > I find such a thing out? > > Thanks! > > T > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 22:38, Bryan Hilderbrand <bryanh@tegnosis.wiki> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Tina, > >> > >> Under the "More" tab/dropdown that usually has stuff like "Delete", > >> "Move", "Protect", does your wiki have a "Purge cache" or "Refresh" > link? > >> It should just be a link to your page with "&action=purge" added. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Bryan > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:12 PM Tina Tenbergen <ti...@te...> > wrote: > >> > >>> When a page with a property in SMW gets edited, other pages with inline > >>> queries referencing that property don't update right away. > >>> The documentation for Cargo mentions a refresh tab *in SMW* [0]. This > >>> got > >>> me kind of excited because having to do null edits is almost an > >>> embarrassing thing to have to explain to people after trying to tell > >>> them > >>> that this is enterprise grade software. So, I tried to find a reference > >>> to > >>> it in the SMW documentation. I have not been able to, even though there > >>> are > >>> hints about it in a few places. There is a strange one about a > >>> "disrespectful change" [1], and another about being allowed to do a > >>> purge > >>> (but nothing about a tab, and when I set it to true no tab shows) [2]. > >>> Is > >>> there such a tab and it's just undocumented? Or is it documented but > >>> somehow I just am searching for it wrong? > >>> > >>> [0] > >>> > >>> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Other_features#%22Purge_cache%22_tab > >>> [1] https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Null_edit > >>> [2] > >>> > >>> > https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$smwgQueryResultCacheRefreshOnPurge > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Semediawiki-user mailing list > >>> Sem...@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Semediawiki-user mailing list > > Sem...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > > > > |
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