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From: Bluechip <csb...@gm...> - 2006-05-11 22:57:51
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I suggest you move from "digest" mode to=20 "individual post" mode - it makes life a lot=20 easier - especially if you use a gmail account -=20 gmail is truly beautiful about such things. I have invites if you need one. BC At 23:39 11/05/2006, you wrote: >I was just wondering if there's a certan program or art to reading these >messages. >I can't adjust to this layout. >Would be thankful for any advice. > >Chris > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: s1m...@li... > > [mailto:s1m...@li...] Im Auftrag > > von s1m...@li... > > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Mai 2006 00:16 > > An: s1m...@li... > > Betreff: S1mp3-devel digest, Vol 1 #128 - 11 msgs > > > > Send S1mp3-devel mailing list submissions to > > s1m...@li... > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/s1mp3-devel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > s1m...@li... > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > s1m...@li... > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific than "Re: Contents of S1mp3-devel digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: breaking news : s1fwx becoming obsolete ?? (seventh > > guardian) > > 2. Re: Re: New ideas for the kernel (Jeroen Domburg) > > 3. Re: Project logo for new project site and name! > > (Wladston Viana F Filho) > > 4. Re: [wiki] An introductive article for newcoming > > developers (Bluechip) > > 5. Re: [wiki] An introductive article for newcoming > > developers (Jeroen Domburg) > > 6. Re: Re: New ideas for the kernel (Bluechip) > > 7. Re: Re: New ideas for the kernel (Bluechip) > > 8. Final list of (potential) features of SWAN (Jeroen Domburg) > > 9. Re: [wiki] An introductive article for newcoming > > developers (Wladston Viana F Filho) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:29:08 +0100 > > From: "seventh guardian" <sev...@gm...> > > To: s1m...@li... > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] breaking news : s1fwx becoming obsolete ?? > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > On 5/9/06, Paul Eipper <pa...@ei...> wrote: > > > It's not like we are basing our firmware on top of a disassembled > > > version=3D > > of > > > their code anyways. It is a completely new thing. > > > > > > > Not quite: it can only be considered a new thing if the "clean room" > > concept applies. And unless _everyone_ in this project has > > never seen the disassembled version of the firmware, it is > > not legaly a new thing. But as Wlad pointed out, it is not > > necessarilly ilegal to reverse-engineer, but these are trivky > > waters, as software may be considered intelectual property.... > > > > > ( And our project is multinational, there's no way someone > > can sue us > > > in =3D > > all > > > countries and win them all. :P :P :P ) So, no worries. > > > > > > --- > > > LKRaider > > > > Right. But unfortunately that also applies to the chinese > > guys who based their work on s1fwx, so the point is, we still > > have to ask them to release the source. But unless it's more > > thant a few improvements on the existing tools (mainly on the > > gui), it's not worth it (in my oppinion). > > > > Cheers > > Renato > > > > > > > > > Quoting "M. Warner Losh" <im...@bs...>: > > > > > > > "seventh guardian" <sev...@gm...> writes: > > > > : What we are doing is based on the reverse engineering of the > > > > existing > > > > : firmware, so we can also be legaly commiting a crime > > (some people > > > > : consider hacking a crime). That depends on the point of view of > > > > the > > > > : company who created the firmware. But there's little chance of > > > > that > > > > : happening, as Actions apparently has a good attitude in > > respect to > > > > us=3D > > . > > > > > > > > I've seen no evidence that any of the actions taken to date are a > > > > crime, within the meaning of that term in the US. It is legal to > > > > reverse engineer a product unless you've signed away that right. > > > > > > > > Warner > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web > > services, security? > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to > > make your job > > > ea=3D > > sier > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > > > Geronim=3D > > o > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3D3Dlnk&kid=3D3D120709&bid=3D3D26305= 7&da > > > t=3D > > =3D3D121642 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > S1mp3-devel mailing list > > > S1m...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/s1mp3-devel > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:12:51 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Jeroen Domburg <je...@sp...> > > To: s1m...@li... > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] Re: New ideas for the kernel > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Legolas wrote: > > > I think that object file format will be ok. Only possible > > thing to avoid: > > > complex hashtables. I wouldn't like having too much ASCII in the > > > object files, that's why I thought it in terms of module_id > > and function_id. > > > > It doesn't matter that much what the file looks like on-disk, > > the complete API will be linked into a ASCII-identifier-less > > binary anyways. It only matters if we want to be able to run > > multiple .aps at the same time: then we'd need re-usal of the > > modules, but I think even then we could do without ASCII > > function identifiers in RAM by just looking them up on the NAND again. > > > > > Legolas > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:47:45 -0300 > > From: "Wladston Viana F Filho" <wla...@gm...> > > To: s1m...@li... > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] Project logo for new project site and name! > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > ------=3D_Part_16452_31801871.1147384065796 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Guys, > > > > Just to keep everybody updated about the issue. > > > > I've talked with BC, and he shown me that the changing the > > whole project identity might result in a quite bad effect for > > such a "famous" site as s1mp3.org, and there is also the risk > > of being considered as "volatile" by the Actions guys and the > > general community. > > > > I suggest that we use the "SWAN" name for our main sub > > project, the s1 firmware, and leave the s1mp3.org as the project name. > > > > As usual - feedback please! ;) > > > > On 5/7/06, Wladston Viana F Filho <wla...@gm...> wrote: > > > > > > hum ... thanks for the note! > > > > > > Well, FreeS/WAN is "quite" dead now, and their name is not > > 'S1' related. > > > > > > I think we'll end up using S1 more than Swan .... And our > > swan logo is > > > very different from theirs! :) > > > > > > Anyways, thanks very much for the email! :) > > > > > > > > > On 5/7/06, Mart=3DEDn Ferrari <mar...@gm... > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wlad, > > > > > > > > I thought SWAN was the old name of the project, not the > > new one :)) > > > > > > > > I don't know if it bothers somehow, but the first time I > > saw you or > > > > someone talking about this name, I thought of FreeS/WAN, an old > > > > IPSEC project for linux. I think is dead now, but the name is > > > > similar and they use a swan as a logo :) > > > > > > > > On 5/4/06, Wladston Viana F Filho <wla...@gm...> wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > We had a discussion on the forum, there were LOTS of > > ideas, and we > > > > have > > > > > decided to adopt SWAN as the project name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Wladston Viana Ferreira Filho > > > Belo Horizonte - MG, Brasil > > > Visit the project: s1mp3.org > > > > > > > > > > > --=3D20 > > Wladston Viana Ferreira Filho > > Belo Horizonte - MG, Brasil > > Visit the project: s1mp3.org > > > > ------=3D_Part_16452_31801871.1147384065796 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Guys,<br><br>Just to keep everybody updated about the > > issue.<br><br>I've ta=3D lked with BC, and he shown me that the > > changing the whole project identity =3D might result in a quite > > bad effect for such a "famous" site as=3D20 <a > > href=3D3D"http://s1mp3.org">s1mp3.org</a>, and there is also > > the risk of b=3D eing considered as "volatile" by the > > Actions guys and the general=3D community.<br><br>I suggest > > that we use the "SWAN" name for our =3D main sub > > project, the s1 firmware, and leave the=3D20 <a > > href=3D3D"http://s1mp3.org">s1mp3.org</a> as the project > > name.<br><br>As u=3D sual - feedback please! > > ;)<br><br><div><span class=3D3D"gmail_quote">On 5/7/0=3D 6, <b > > class=3D3D"gmail_sendername">Wladston Viana F Filho</b> <<a > > href=3D3D"=3D mailto:wla...@gm..."> > > wla...@gm...</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote > > class=3D3D"gmail_quote" s=3D > > tyle=3D3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: > > 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=3D x; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>hum ... thanks > > for the note!<br><br>Well, FreeS=3D /WAN is "quite" > > dead now, and their name is not 'S1' related. > > <br><br>I think we'll end up using S1 more than Swan .... And > > our swan logo=3D is very different from theirs! :) > > <br><br>Anyways, thanks very much for the email! > > :)</div><div><span class=3D =3D3D"e" > > id=3D3D"q_10b11c810a81043c_1"><br><br><div><span class=3D3D"gmail_quote"= =3D > > >On 5/7/06, <b class=3D3D"gmail_sendername">Mart=3DEDn Ferrari</b>= <<a > > >href=3D > > =3D3D"mailto:mar...@gm..." target=3D3D"_blank" > > onclick=3D3D"return to=3D p.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> > > mar...@gm...</a> > > > wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D3D"gmail_quote" > > style=3D3D"border-left: 1=3D px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: > > 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"=3D > > >Wlad,<br><br>I thought SWAN was the old name of the project, not the > > >new o=3D > > ne :)) > > <br><br>I don't know if it bothers somehow, but the first > > time I saw you or=3D <br>someone talking about this name, I > > thought of FreeS/WAN, an old IPSEC<b=3D > > r>project for linux. I think is dead now, but the name is similar > > r>and<br> > > > > they use a swan as a logo :)<br><br>On 5/4/06, Wladston Viana > > F Filho <<=3D a href=3D3D"mailto:wla...@gm..." > > target=3D3D"_blank" onclick=3D3D"return to=3D > > p.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">wla...@gm...</a>> > > ; wrote:<br>&=3D gt; Guys, <br>><br>> We had a discussion > > on the forum, there were LOTS of ideas=3D , and we have > > <br>> decided to adopt SWAN as the project > > name.<br></blockquote></div><=3D > > br><br clear=3D3D"all"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D3D"e" > > br>id=3D3D"q_10b11c=3D > > 810a81043c_2">-- <br>Wladston Viana Ferreira Filho<br>Belo > > Horizonte - MG, =3D Brasil <br>Visit the project: <a > > href=3D3D"http://s1mp3.org" target=3D3D"_blank" oncli=3D > > ck=3D3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">s1mp3.org > > </a> > > > > </span></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D3D"all"><br>-- > > <br>Wladston V=3D iana Ferreira Filho<br>Belo Horizonte - MG, > > Brasil<br>Visit the project: <a=3D > > href=3D3D"http://s1mp3.org">s1mp3.org</a> > > > > ------=3D_Part_16452_31801871.1147384065796-- > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:00:04 +0100 > > To: s1m...@li... > > From: Bluechip <csb...@gm...> > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] [wiki] An introductive article for > > newcoming > > developers > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > To be honest I am focussing entirely on the following items > > and implore all members to join me. > > > > API Specification > > UI Specification, including features > > > > I did some work on the API spec (as did at least one other) > > on the wiki somewhere. > > > > BC > > > > > > At 13:28 11/05/2006, you wrote: > > >I propose to write an article containing the key steps to reach the > > >needed knowledge to partecipate as a member of the development team. > > >This should make easier the information gathering from an interested > > >developer that does not yet know enough about what are we > > trying to do > > >(it is highly improbable that he will read all our wiki > > >articles/mailing list messages). > > > > > >Such article (the title should be something like "Roadmap", "Entry", > > >"Hall", native English speakers should choose it) should be > > structured > > >in enumerated steps with a link and some introductory text which > > >advices to read the wiki article pointed by the link. > > >Missing articles about key informations should be written, if any. > > > > > >I ask Wladston and other senior members to answer this message > > >proposing the key articles they know about. Since I know > > most of them, > > >it is enough to specify a list of articles/topics in a logical > > >sequence, I will re-format the content to fit into an > > introductive wiki > > >article for newcoming developers supposing they know nothing > > about Swan. > > > > > >If the proposal is bad or if somebody else wants to accomplish the > > >above task, just say it :) > > > > > >-- > > >Legolas > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > >Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web > > services, security? > > >Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to > > make your job > > >easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on > > >Apache Geronimo > > >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057 > > &dat=3D12164 > > >2 _______________________________________________ > > >S1mp3-devel mailing list > > >S1m...@li... > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/s1mp3-devel > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:03:33 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Jeroen Domburg <je...@sp...> > > To: s1m...@li... > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] [wiki] An introductive article for > > newcoming developers > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Bluechip wrote: > > > > > To be honest I am focussing entirely on the following items and > > > implore all members to join me. > > > > > > API Specification > > > UI Specification, including features > > > > > > I did some work on the API spec (as did at least one other) on the > > > wiki somewhere. > > > > I have to agree with BC on this one: at least for now it's > > more important to show Actions what we're capable of than to > > attract more developers. As soon as the API is in place, we > > can split up the work between core/lib/sdk/ap-developers and > > we can use more developers. > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:06:18 +0100 > > To: s1m...@li... > > From: Bluechip <csb...@gm...> > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] Re: New ideas for the kernel > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > At 13:57 11/05/2006, you wrote: > > >On Thu, 11 May 2006, Legolas wrote: > > >>>Methodology is ahead us, yes. But let's keep bouncing concepts > > >>>around :) > > >> > > >>The most complex part will probably be the Z80 compiler: it > > will have > > >>to build the programs respecting our "modularity". However it is a > > >>great idea, we'll probably have killer applications this way. > > >>I just hope we won't find technical bottlenecks in future stages of > > >>development. > > > > > >I've said it a few times privately already, but I'll repeat > > it one more > > >time for the list: The compiler/assembler-combo already is > > able to spit > > >out perfectly good object and library files. Why don't we use those? > > >All that needs to be done is port the linker to Z80. > > >Aside from any banking issues, that should solve everything and we > > >eventually end up with a binary memory image without having too much > > >overhead on our CALLs. > > > > > >Jeroen > > > > I'm not going to hold my breath on this project while someone > > writes a C compiler - so yes, let us work with the tools we > > have, and if that means adapting our strategies, let us hope > > we are clever and confident enough to achieve it. > > > > BC > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:04:44 +0100 > > To: s1m...@li... > > From: Bluechip <csb...@gm...> > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] Re: New ideas for the kernel > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > At 13:43 11/05/2006, you wrote: > > >Bluechip ha scritto: > > > > > >>At 13:00 10/05/2006, Legolas558 wrote: > > >> > > >>>I have never had doubts about the presence of relative > > jumps, but I > > >>>didn't think the same about CALL instructions and memory > > access instructions. > > >> > > >>You are correct there is no CALLR - which does force you to write > > >>relocatable code in a certain way. > > > > > >Follows an example, written in (probably wrong) Z80 assembly that > > >should give an idea of how an executable module should start: > > >Note: Abs_* labels cannot be directly referenced in the code because > > >the code is going to be relocated > > > > > > Abs_Start: > > > LD [data_start], PC ; stores the current code memory address > > > into a global variable valid for the current running > > application JR > > > Rel_Code ;jumps to the real code start. if the data is > > going to be > > > > 128 bytes, we may have "jump platforms" e.g. other JR > > nested into the > > > data > > > Abs_Data: > > > ... > > > DD Year 0 > > > ... > > > Rel_Code: > > > LD X, [data_start] > > > LD [X+Year], 2006 ; example of relative memory reference ... > > > > _Data can be relative from _Start > > > > > > >The above example shows how to solve the absolute memory reference > > >problem, but: > > >since calls between modules need a different approach, I > > suggest NOT to > > >use the above method but to compile applications like if they start > > >from a specific base address, so when the OS loads them the > > addresses > > >references superior to the base address are fixed (with the proper > > >offset) and in a second pass the inter-modules API calls are also > > >explicited. > > > > I think the full reality of what is required will become > > apparent when the API spec is done. > > > > >>>I have read > > >>>http://www.funet.fi/pub/msx/mirrors/hanso/datasheets/chipsz > > 80leventha > > >>>l1.pdf and looks like relocatable code can be compiled by the Z80 > > >>>compiler itself. Handling references between libraries at runtime > > >>>remains an issue, but I realize that it is not yet the > > time to talk about it. > > >> > > >>Methodology is ahead us, yes. But let's keep bouncing > > concepts around > > >>:) > > > > > >The most complex part will probably be the Z80 compiler: it > > will have > > >to build the programs respecting our "modularity". However it is a > > >great idea, we'll probably have killer applications this way. I just > > >hope we won't find technical bottlenecks in future stages of > > development. > > > > We have many great techies at our disposal. And failing > > that, I have access to several other groups full of techies > > (as possibly do > > others) ...Let us pray we can find a compiler which does what > > we need, or we can work withing the confines of an existing compiler. > > > > BC > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:10:57 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Jeroen Domburg <je...@sp...> > > To: s1m...@li... > > Subject: [S1mp3-devel] Final list of (potential) features of SWAN > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > Hi all, > > > > The deadline has passed, and these are the features we'd like > > to see in SWAN which are also technically feasible: > > > > Features of SWAN: > > Technical: > > - Easy and open SDK / IDE so programmers who are only used to > > C on a PC can > > program apps for the player > > - (Semi-)multitasking: the music will keep playing even when > > you switch to > > another application > > - Hardware-independant API for programs: the core will handle hardware > > differences between players > > - Extendible: when newer players come out with more hardware, > > only some core > > modules will have to be written or modified to take care > > of the hardware. The > > core will stay backwards compatible with existing libs / apps. > > - Dynamic loader: by loading only the libraries needed for > > the currently > > running apps, apps can have a size of over 60K. > > - User applications have access to the USB port: this means > > the mp3 player can > > be turned into a LCD to display info from the PC, used as > > a sound card, > > human interface device, ... > > - User apps can take over the DSP: that way, things like > > recognition of voice > > commands, decoding of DTMF, using the DSP as a coprocessor > > for eg 3d games, ... will be possible > > - Main menu is an app on it's own, so if the main menu > > doesn't suit the user, it > > can be interchanged just as any other app. > > > > User experience: > > - Plays a wide range of formats: ogg/mp3/wma/flac/wav/mod/xm/... > > - Skinnable UI, for the mp3-models as well as the mp4-models > > - New apps (games, utilities, ...) can be downloaded and just > > dropped in a > > certain folder, and the player can make use of them > > - Mini OSD player applet: press MODE+PLAY and the current app > > freezes and a > > tiny overlay window is displayed on screen, the > > play+stop+... buttons can now be used to modify currently > > playing music > > - Lets the user decide what app to boot into on startup > > - UI can be set to voice mode, in which the user gets the > > idea of what to do > > by spoken word. Handy for player-in-jacket-must-watch-road > > situations or for deaf users. > > - Autodetecting of hardware on install so the right set of > > core modules will > > be installed without needing much input from the user: one > > distribution > > package fits all players > > - Main menu is an app on it's own, changing the main menu to > > something else is > > only a matter of exchanging ap files > > > > Applications that can be developed for SWAN: > > - Text reader > > - Picture viewer > > - Games (Pong/Tetris/Solitaire/Pacman/... clones, more for > > the mp4 players) > > - Voice recorder > > - Phone dialer > > - Offline mail reader (drop .eml-files in a dir and you can > > read them on the > > road) > > - ...and many others. > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:15:53 -0300 > > From: "Wladston Viana F Filho" <wla...@gm...> > > To: s1m...@li... > > Subject: Re: [S1mp3-devel] [wiki] An introductive article for > > newcoming developers > > Reply-To: s1m...@li... > > > > ------=3D_Part_16772_19519016.1147385753925 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Sure, I agree with you all. I ask then, to post Legolas idea > > on some todo list, or simply to make a page that is to be > > filled with the relevant content. This will prevent us from > > forgetting the good idea. > > > > On 5/11/06, Jeroen Domburg <je...@sp...> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Bluechip wrote: > > > > > > > To be honest I am focussing entirely on the following items and > > > > implore > > > all > > > > members to join me. > > > > > > > > API Specification > > > > UI Specification, including features > > > > > > > > I did some work on the API spec (as did at least one > > other) on the > > > > wiki somewhere. > > > > > > I have to agree with BC on this one: at least for now it's more > > > important to show Actions what we're capable of than to > > attract more > > > developers. As soon as the API is in place, we can split up > > the work > > > between core/lib/sdk/ap-developers and we can use more developers. > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web > > services, security? > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to > > make your job > > > easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on > > > Apache Geronim=3D > > o > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3D3Dlnk&kid=3D3D120709&bid=3D3D26305= 7&da > > > t=3D > > =3D3D121642 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > S1mp3-devel mailing list > > > S1m...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/s1mp3-devel > > > > > > > > > > > --=3D20 > > Wladston Viana Ferreira Filho > > Belo Horizonte - MG, Brasil > > Visit the project: s1mp3.org > > > > ------=3D_Part_16772_19519016.1147385753925 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Sure, I agree with you all. I ask then, to post Legolas idea > > on some todo l=3D ist, or simply to make a page that is to be > > filled with the relevant conten=3D t. This will prevent us from > > forgetting the good idea.<br><br><div><span cl=3D > > ass=3D3D"gmail_quote"> On 5/11/06, <b > > class=3D3D"gmail_sendername">Jeroen Domburg</b> <<a href=3D3D=3D > > "mailto:je...@sp...">je...@sp... >t.utwente.nl<=3D > > /a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D3D"gmail_quote" > > style=3D3D"border-left=3D > > : 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; > > padding-left: 1e=3D x;"> On Thu, 11 May 2006, Bluechip > > wrote:<br><br>> To be honest I am focussin=3D g entirely on > > the following items and implore all<br>> members to join > > m=3D e.<br>><br>> API Specification<br>> UI > > Specification, including fe=3D atures <br>><br>> I did > > some work on the API spec (as did at least one other=3D > > ) on the wiki<br>> somewhere.<br><br>I have to agree with > > BC on this one=3D > > : at least for now it's more important<br>to show Actions > > what we're capabl=3D e of than to attract more developers. As > > <br>soon as the API is in place, we can split up the work > > between<br>core/l=3D ib/sdk/ap-developers and we can use more > > developers.<br><br>Jeroen<br><br><=3D > > br>-------------------------------------------------------<br>Using > > br>Tomcat =3D > > but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > <br>Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to > > make your job =3D easier<br>Download IBM WebSphere Application > > Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache=3D Geronimo<br><a > > href=3D3D"http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3D3Dlnk&kid=3D > > =3D3D120709&bid=3D3D263057&dat=3D3D121642"> > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3D3Dlnk&kid=3D3D120709& >;bid=3D3D263057=3D > > &dat=3D3D121642</a><br>_____________________________________ >__________<br=3D > > >S1mp3-devel mailing list<br><a > > >href=3D3D"mailto:S1m...@li...=3D > > e.net"> > > S1m...@li...</a><br><a > > href=3D3D"https://lists.sourcefor=3D > > ge.net/lists/listinfo/s1mp3-devel">https://lists.sourceforge.n >et/lists/list=3D > > info/s1mp3-devel</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br > > clear=3D3D"all"><br>-- <br=3D > > > > > Wladston Viana Ferreira Filho<br>Belo Horizonte - MG, > > Brasil<br>Visit the p=3D > > roject: <a href=3D3D"http://s1mp3.org">s1mp3.org</a> > > > > ------=3D_Part_16772_19519016.1147385753925-- > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > S1mp3-devel mailing list > > S1m...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/s1mp3-devel > > > > > > End of S1mp3-devel Digest > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? >Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job= easier >Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdk&kid0709&bid&3057&dat1642 >_______________________________________________ >S1mp3-devel mailing list >S1m...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/s1mp3-devel |
