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Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 02:24 PM, Markus Hoenicka wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> Bruce D'Arcus writes:
>> Well, in Endnote, it is not in the database, but is appended to the
>> temporary citation, which might look like {Jones, 1998@23}.  I am
>> forgetting the syntax now for adding other text to the temp citation,
>> but it involves using another delimiter.
>>
>> As we've discussed on the bibx list, I don't think this method is
>> ideal.  I'd prefer that quotes have their page numbers associated with
>> them, and be stored in the database.
>>
>
> You're demanding a pretty tricky data model. In order to reduce
> redundancy it doesn't make sense to store 37 quotes of the same book,
> each with the full bibliographic information. This would require some
> mechanism to store the bibliographic information proper separately
> from the quotes. This would essentially add an additional layer of
> complexity, but positive thinking would turn this into a challenge.

Yes, I know.  As you well know, I am partly thinking of GUI 
applications for this, in which there would be no distinction between 
the quotes and the base reference from the user perspective.

>> 61. The moral and fiscal capacity for philanthropy was an important
>> mechanism of class differentiation--separating the respectable from 
>> the
>> residuum as well as the wealthy from the poor; see Peter Mandler,
>> "Christian Political Economy and the Making of the New Poor Law,"
>> Historical Journal 33, no. 1 (1990): 87.
>>
>> if you can figure *this* out, I'll be mighty impressed ;-)
>>
>
> Unless I missed the point, this isn't as hard as it seems. This would
> require a new in-text citation type in addition to the existing
> regular, author-only, and year-only types. This full (or whatever)
> type would simply display everything that otherwise goes into the
> bibliography.

I think I was making it more complicated than it needed to be in my own 
mind.  If I understand right, the above example ought to just be coded 
as a footnote, with the specially formatted "full" citation within it.  
But should this really be a different type of citation, or is there a 
way to handle this via a citation style?  In an ideal world, I'd be 
able to switch between this kind of a style and author-date (in-text) 
without having to recode the document.  Shouldn't this be possible?

The other thing with this type of citation is to distinguish between 
the first full citation, and then subsequent short versions, ibid, etc.

Bruce

Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 02:27 PM, Markus Hoenicka wrote:

> Bruce D'Arcus writes:
>> Sure.  In Endnote, you can also do this {Jones, 1999@21,25} or =
{Jones,
>> 1999@21-22}.  The delimiter just tells the app that the stuff=20
>> following
>> it is a page number (or multiple page numbers), and the citation =
style
>> then adds whatever prefix before it (like a colon, for example).
>>
>
> Something along these lines could be implemented in RefDB too, without
> the need to extend the document DTDs. The method should be somewhat
> more elaborate though, to accommodate leading and trailing text.

Got out the manual to refresh my memory.  Endnote uses the backslash to=20=

mark the beginning of a citation, and distinguish it from the "pre"=20
annotation.  So if you wanted (see also Jones, 1999: 34), you'd have=20
{see also \uniqueID@34}.  You can also use the ` character to add text=20=

after the citation.  So let's say you want (see also Clark 1986: 34,=20
and more=85) on formatted output.  The temp citation would be:

	{see also \Clark, 1986 #365@34`, and more=85}

The #365 is the unique record number, BTW.

Bruce=

Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Bruce D'Arcus writes:
 > Sure.  In Endnote, you can also do this {Jones, 1999@21,25} or {Jones, 
 > 1999@21-22}.  The delimiter just tells the app that the stuff following 
 > it is a page number (or multiple page numbers), and the citation style 
 > then adds whatever prefix before it (like a colon, for example).
 > 

Something along these lines could be implemented in RefDB too, without
the need to extend the document DTDs. The method should be somewhat
more elaborate though, to accommodate leading and trailing text.

regards,
Markus

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Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Hi Bruce,

Bruce D'Arcus writes:
 > Well, in Endnote, it is not in the database, but is appended to the 
 > temporary citation, which might look like {Jones, 1998@23}.  I am 
 > forgetting the syntax now for adding other text to the temp citation, 
 > but it involves using another delimiter.
 > 
 > As we've discussed on the bibx list, I don't think this method is 
 > ideal.  I'd prefer that quotes have their page numbers associated with 
 > them, and be stored in the database.
 > 

You're demanding a pretty tricky data model. In order to reduce
redundancy it doesn't make sense to store 37 quotes of the same book,
each with the full bibliographic information. This would require some
mechanism to store the bibliographic information proper separately
from the quotes. This would essentially add an additional layer of
complexity, but positive thinking would turn this into a challenge.

 > 61. The moral and fiscal capacity for philanthropy was an important 
 > mechanism of class differentiation--separating the respectable from the 
 > residuum as well as the wealthy from the poor; see Peter Mandler, 
 > "Christian Political Economy and the Making of the New Poor Law," 
 > Historical Journal 33, no. 1 (1990): 87.
 > 
 > if you can figure *this* out, I'll be mighty impressed ;-)
 > 

Unless I missed the point, this isn't as hard as it seems. This would
require a new in-text citation type in addition to the existing
regular, author-only, and year-only types. This full (or whatever)
type would simply display everything that otherwise goes into the
bibliography.

regards,
Markus

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Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

I wrote:

> To be clear, what I am saying above refers to a new "quote" reference 
> type that currently exists in bibx.  This would allow you to actually 
> store excerpts (and hopefully annotations) and to have the specific 
> page number(s) for the quote tied to it.

To clarify more:

you'd have a main reference to a text, and then you could have a whole 
series of references with the "quote" type that contained the excerpted 
material but pointed to the main reference.

I agree you don't want to enforce this, but it could be a nice option.

Bruce

Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 10:01  AM, Michael Below wrote:

>> As we've discussed on the bibx list, I don't think this method is
>> ideal.  I'd prefer that quotes have their page numbers associated with
>> them, and be stored in the database.
>
> Hm, I think both is needed. With jurabib, I am citing articles like
> \cite[S.~716]{hayn94}, which gives me something like /Hayn/, S. 716 in
> the text and something like [...]

What is the "both" you are referring to?

To be clear, what I am saying above refers to a new "quote" reference 
type that currently exists in bibx.  This would allow you to actually 
store excerpts (and hopefully annotations) and to have the specific 
page number(s) for the quote tied to it.

> I need to cite different pages from the same author, so one
> "hard-coded" page number wouldn't be helpful.

Sure.  In Endnote, you can also do this {Jones, 1999@21,25} or {Jones, 
1999@21-22}.  The delimiter just tells the app that the stuff following 
it is a page number (or multiple page numbers), and the citation style 
then adds whatever prefix before it (like a colon, for example).

>> 61. The moral and fiscal capacity for philanthropy was an important
>> mechanism of class differentiation--separating the respectable from
>> the residuum as well as the wealthy from the poor; see Peter Mandler,
>> "Christian Political Economy and the Making of the New Poor Law,"
>> Historical Journal 33, no. 1 (1990): 87.
>
> That would be the \fullcite command for jurabib (there is also a
> "citefull" option to set it in general).

So how does one deal with the annotation in this example in jurabib?  
You create a footnote that has that text, and then add the \fullcite 
command(s)?

Bruce

Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Michael B. <mb...@an...>]

Bruce D'Arcus <bd...@fa...> writes:
> Well, in Endnote, it is not in the database, but is appended to the
> temporary citation, which might look like {Jones, 1998@23}.  I am
> forgetting the syntax now for adding other text to the temp citation,
> but it involves using another delimiter.
>
> As we've discussed on the bibx list, I don't think this method is
> ideal.  I'd prefer that quotes have their page numbers associated with
> them, and be stored in the database.

Hm, I think both is needed. With jurabib, I am citing articles like
\cite[S.~716]{hayn94}, which gives me something like /Hayn/, S. 716 in
the text and something like=20

Hayn, Sven: Die International Accounting Standards. WPg 1994, 713=AD721, 74=
9=AD755

in the references.

I need to cite different pages from the same author, so one
"hard-coded" page number wouldn't be helpful.

> 61. The moral and fiscal capacity for philanthropy was an important
> mechanism of class differentiation--separating the respectable from
> the residuum as well as the wealthy from the poor; see Peter Mandler,
> "Christian Political Economy and the Making of the New Poor Law,"
> Historical Journal 33, no. 1 (1990): 87.

That would be the \fullcite command for jurabib (there is also a
"citefull" option to set it in general).

Ciao
  Michael
--=20
status is failure
                 (galeon 1.2.5)

Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 05:16 PM, Markus Hoenicka wrote:

>> This style tends to be more common in the numeric citation style.
>> Historians, for example, regularly have a few lines of text associated
>> with one or more citations.
>
> How do you work with this kind of references anyway? Is the page
> number a part of the reference, i.e. is it in the database, or do you
> add the page information specific to each citation in your document?

Well, in Endnote, it is not in the database, but is appended to the 
temporary citation, which might look like {Jones, 1998@23}.  I am 
forgetting the syntax now for adding other text to the temp citation, 
but it involves using another delimiter.

As we've discussed on the bibx list, I don't think this method is 
ideal.  I'd prefer that quotes have their page numbers associated with 
them, and be stored in the database.

You know, I'm just looking at a history book I have on my shelf 
(history -- and perhaps law -- being the most demanding), and I'm not 
really sure how you'd deal with this kind of thing in an elegant way, 
though I'd urge you to think about it carefully (it's got to be 
possible!).  Here is an example, which is an endnote (all of the 
references in this book being so):

61. The moral and fiscal capacity for philanthropy was an important 
mechanism of class differentiation--separating the respectable from the 
residuum as well as the wealthy from the poor; see Peter Mandler, 
"Christian Political Economy and the Making of the New Poor Law," 
Historical Journal 33, no. 1 (1990): 87.

if you can figure *this* out, I'll be mighty impressed ;-)

Bruce

Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Bruce,

Bruce D'Arcus writes:
 > 
 > On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 03:26 PM, Markus Hoenicka wrote:
 > 
 > > Now this is a serious threat ;-)
 > 
 > I wasn't trying to sound "threatening"; it's just that important for 
 > the social sciences and humanities, since we regularly cite specific 
 > quotations, tied to specific pages.
 > 

Yes I know. We've had this discussion at length in the bibx list. I
have to admit that support for social sciences and the humanities is
not yet a strength of RefDB. It's going to be one of the main issues
in the following releases.

 > Any more specific ideas?  I tend to want to see a "cited-page" 
 > attribute, along with attributes for maybe something like "pre-text" 
 > and "post-text."  This would allow a citation like this, which is not 
 > uncommon:
 > 

This is the easy way out, but this will create an interchange issue as
it requires to extend the DocBook DTD. If there's a way without
changing the DTD I'll use that.

 > A citation (for more on this issue, see Jones, 1999: 34).
 > 
 > This style tends to be more common in the numeric citation style.  
 > Historians, for example, regularly have a few lines of text associated 
 > with one or more citations.
 > 

How do you work with this kind of references anyway? Is the page
number a part of the reference, i.e. is it in the database, or do you
add the page information specific to each citation in your document?

 > But this does raise the question of how you deal with multiple 
 > citations.
 > 
 > Some ConTeXt users came up with a workaround for the lack of this in 
 > Taco's bib module, which has a special "citedpages" reference style.
 > 
 > Is this feature relatively easy for you to add?  Maybe in the next 
 > month or two?  :-)

Not sure. Have to clean my crystal ball... Seriously, unless I miss
some nasty details it seems doable, but I can't express this in terms
of months (this depends on my workload as there's a dayjob too).

 > 
 > Am starting a book project, which I'd like to do using DocBook and 
 > RefDB, but alas, I need this stuff to do so.
 > 

I'll see what I can do.

regards,
Markus

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Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 03:26 PM, Markus Hoenicka wrote:

> Now this is a serious threat ;-)

I wasn't trying to sound "threatening"; it's just that important for 
the social sciences and humanities, since we regularly cite specific 
quotations, tied to specific pages.

> This feature is currently not
> supported. I remember previous discussions about the need to
> insert random pieces of text into citations. Once this works it
> would fix this problem too. I thought about using something like a
> formatting string in the citation element that allows RefDB to
> figure out which pieces it has to render literally and which are to be
> replaced by the citation stuff.

Any more specific ideas?  I tend to want to see a "cited-page" 
attribute, along with attributes for maybe something like "pre-text" 
and "post-text."  This would allow a citation like this, which is not 
uncommon:

A citation (for more on this issue, see Jones, 1999: 34).

This style tends to be more common in the numeric citation style.  
Historians, for example, regularly have a few lines of text associated 
with one or more citations.

But this does raise the question of how you deal with multiple 
citations.

Some ConTeXt users came up with a workaround for the lack of this in 
Taco's bib module, which has a special "citedpages" reference style.

Is this feature relatively easy for you to add?  Maybe in the next 
month or two?  :-)

Am starting a book project, which I'd like to do using DocBook and 
RefDB, but alas, I need this stuff to do so.

Bruce

[Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Hi Bruce,

Bruce D'Arcus writes:
 > Looking through the docs, I can't seem to find a reference to how I get 
 > (Author, Date: cited page)?  So, something like (Jones, 1999: 23).
 > 
 > Please tell me this is there, as I really need this feature (as in, I 
 > cannot use RefDB at all without it).

Now this is a serious threat ;-) This feature is currently not
supported. I remember previous discussions about the need to
insert random pieces of text into citations. Once this works it
would fix this problem too. I thought about using something like a
formatting string in the citation element that allows RefDB to
figure out which pieces it has to render literally and which are to be
replaced by the citation stuff. I do have this on my list, but there's
no code yet.

regards,
Markus

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Re: [Refdb-users] compiling (or, is this right?)

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Hi Bruce,

Bruce D'Arcus writes:
 > 
 > Another issue.  This is the recommendation from the manual:
 > 
 > > configure needs a little help to recognize this fairly new operating 
 > > system properly. To this end, copy config.guess and config.sub from 
 > > /usr/libexec to the refdb/conf directory.
 > 
 > These files, however, do not exist in this directory on v. 10.2.3 of OS 
 > X.  What now?

Does "locate config.guess" unearth something? You might have to
install a few add-on packages. I've heard there's something like an
Apple developer kit containing stuff you need to build apps on
OSX. But then, I'm not a Mac expert. What about this packager you were
talking about lately?

regards,
Markus

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[Refdb-users] compiling (or, is this right?)

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Hi Bruce,

Bruce D'Arcus writes:
 > 
 > OK, got libdbi compiled on OS X, and am now going to try RefDB.  I am 
 > really uneasy with the commandline though.  Does this command look 
 > right?
 > 
 > ./configure --with-docbook-xsl=/opt/local/share/xsl/docbook-xsl 
 > --with-classpath-root=/Applications/Utilities/Java/saxon/saxon.jar 
 > --build=powerpc-apple-darwin6.4 LDFLAGS="-L/sw/lib" 
 > CPPFLAGS="-I/sw/include"
 > 

You should use:
--with-classpath-root=/Applications/Utilities/Java/saxon
as classpath-root denotes a directory containing jars, not a single
jar.

 > I am unsure of the significance of the following, however, though I 
 > sense it might be important to specify.  If yes, how?
 > 
 >    --with-xml-declaration=PATH   Use this file as XML declaration
 > 

As of 0.9.2, RefDB uses its own copies of the DocBook SGML declaration
docbook.dcl and of the XML-compliant SGML declaration xml.dcl. Use the
--with-xml-declaration and --with-sgml-declaration options only if you
have a good reason not to use these default declarations and want to
specify different files.

regards,
Markus

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[Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

Looking through the docs, I can't seem to find a reference to how I get 
(Author, Date: cited page)?  So, something like (Jones, 1999: 23).

Please tell me this is there, as I really need this feature (as in, I 
cannot use RefDB at all without it).

Bruce

Re: [Refdb-users] compiling (or, is this right?)

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

Another issue.  This is the recommendation from the manual:

> configure needs a little help to recognize this fairly new operating 
> system properly. To this end, copy config.guess and config.sub from 
> /usr/libexec to the refdb/conf directory.

These files, however, do not exist in this directory on v. 10.2.3 of OS 
X.  What now?

Bruce

[Refdb-users] compiling (or, is this right?)

[Bruce D'A. <da...@mu...>]

OK, got libdbi compiled on OS X, and am now going to try RefDB.  I am 
really uneasy with the commandline though.  Does this command look 
right?

./configure --with-docbook-xsl=/opt/local/share/xsl/docbook-xsl 
--with-classpath-root=/Applications/Utilities/Java/saxon/saxon.jar 
--build=powerpc-apple-darwin6.4 LDFLAGS="-L/sw/lib" 
CPPFLAGS="-I/sw/include"

I am unsure of the significance of the following, however, though I 
sense it might be important to specify.  If yes, how?

   --with-xml-declaration=PATH   Use this file as XML declaration

Any other suggestions?

Bruce

[Refdb-users] refdb-0.9.2a...

[Alan A. <al...@ru...>]

Markus,

I've built the Cygwin binary for refdb-0.9.2a.  It is located at
http://alphonse.dnsq.org:8081/refdb/refdb-0.9.2a-cygwin-bin.tar.gz

I didn't have time to run it, but I'm sure it works.  I'll try to test it a little this weekend.

Hope this helps.

Al

[Refdb-users] RefDB-0.9.2 nasty bug

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Hi all,

sorry about that, but refdbd.c shipped with the 0.9.2 release contains
a bug that essentially voids your serverip setting in refdbdrc and
results in:

'(null)' cannot be resolved as a hostname
/usr/local/bin/refdbctl start: bibliography tool application server could not be started

unless you use the -i option on the command line.

The appended patch should fix this problem. I'll upload a fixed
version 0.9.2a tonight. Sigh.

regards,
Markus

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[Refdb-users] ANN: RefDB 0.9.2

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Hi all,

I've uploaded the RefDB 0.9.2 sources to:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/refdb

Bugfixes:

- a few minor fixes for building on Cygwin

- bibtex bibliographies now work again

- fixed prefs-related crash (on selected platforms) of refdbib

- fixed premature end due to debug code in refdbxp

- now formats abbreviated first/middle names correctly in
  bibliographies if the database provides full names

- fixed quoting problem in refdbc:getref command

- fixed incorrect query results in getfoo and getref commands (if a
  getref query included a journal name, only the first reference
  containing this periodical was returned; commands like getjo returned
  as many identical hits as there were references using the particular
  journal name)

- assorted fixes to run refdba/refdbc as regular apps within a CGI
  environment (think Perl or PHP).

- a missing "SYSTEM" was added to Makefile.template for DocBook XML
  documents

- refdbib now returns a proper error code for server-side errors

Improvements:

- now supports SQLite as an embedded database engine

- med2ris.pl was extended to handle both tagged and XML Pubmed data,
  now runs as CGI script, the web interface now uses med2ris.pl by
  default

- med2ris.pl and marc2ris.pl were extended to handle RefDB-style
  configuration and log files; they now depend on the separate
  RefDB-perlmod package

- now strips off TeX special characters when building a citation key
  from an author name

- refdbc:getref now displays the number of retrieved references

- runbib automatically uses the refdb.cat catalog file for its
  (open)jade calls to make sure the driver files are found

- Makefile.template and refdbnd were improved to allow changing the
  style by changing a single variable (this was advertised in the
  previous release but it actually required changing the names of the
  driver files too)

- configure checks for the presence of the XSL stylesheets. You'll get
  a warning if you forget to set --with-docbook-xsl or --with-tei-xsl or
  if you specify incorrect paths

- refdb will now use its own default SGML declarations if you don't
  specify other copies on the configure command line with the
  --with-sgml-declaration and --with-xml-declaration options.

- if a runbib call fails, the refdbib output files are renamed to
  XY.err to give the refdbnd-created Makefile a second chance


Comments and bug reports are greatly appreciated, as usual.

regards,
Markus

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            size=2>4</FONT></TD>
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          <TD align=middle width="50%" height=19><FONT face=Arial 
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Re: [Refdb-users] Question about Unicode

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Marc Baaden writes:
 > Ah I see. I used the default setting, which creates UNICODE databases with
 > postgres. I will try with Latin1, as this is more likely what I had in
 > mind.
 > 

This is right. I thought SQL_ASCII would be the default, but actually
refdbdrc is preconfigured to use UNICODE. This is probably the best
place to change the default.

 > Yep. I think in that case one needs something like
 > <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
 > 

This is what I figured too, but I didn't run any tests yet. I'll try
to get this into the next release.

regards,
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Re: [Refdb-users] Question about Unicode

[Marc B. <ba...@sm...>]

Dear Markus,

thanks for your detailed answer, and sorry for the late reply.

>>> "Markus Hoenicka" said:
 >> Sorry about the installation hassles. I've been in contact with kind
 >> souls trying to package RefDB and the required libraries, but this is=

 >> apparently a pretty complex task. The build system has been modified
 >> already to allow simple "debianization", but there are no deliverable=
s
 >> yet.

Sure. Debianization would be great :))

 >>  > first problems. I have a reference with an author called H=F6=F6k,=

 >> What database server do you run? MySQL *should* accept umlauts
 >> (although I have to admit I never tried) as it uses a Latin encoding
 >> by default. PostgreSQL uses the SQL_ASCII encoding by default which I=

 >> believe does not handle umlauts. However, you can select a different
 >> encoding like LATIN1 with the -e switch of the refdba:createdb
 >> command, or you can make this the default by editing refdbdrc.

Ah I see. I used the default setting, which creates UNICODE databases wit=
h
postgres. I will try with Latin1, as this is more likely what I had in
mind.

 >>  > in. I now can at least add the reference. But if I look eg at a se=
arch
 >> The browser display problem is most likely due to the fact that the
 >> web browser does not know that these sequences are to be interpreted
 >> as Unicode characters. I'll have to find out how the RefDB-generated
 >> HTML pages could tell the browser about Unicode if the database serve=
r
 >> uses this encoding.

Yep. I think in that case one needs something like
<META http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">=


or so in the header, but I am not sure if that's all that is required.

regards,
Marc

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[Refdb-users] Question about Unicode

[Markus H. <mar...@mh...>]

Marc Baaden writes:
 > I am new to this list, and first of all I'd like to say that
 > RefDB is a great program with a lot of useful functions. On
 > the other side I must say, it was not so trivial to install=20
 > on my Debian woody system, because several packages are not
 > "debianized" (eg libdbi - only available in an outdated version).

Sorry about the installation hassles. I've been in contact with kind
souls trying to package RefDB and the required libraries, but this is
apparently a pretty complex task. The build system has been modified
already to allow simple "debianization", but there are no deliverables
yet.

 >=20
 > But now I have started to use it and .. already run into my
 > first problems. I have a reference with an author called H=F6=F6k,
 > and I wonder how to add this reference.
 >=20

What database server do you run? MySQL *should* accept umlauts
(although I have to admit I never tried) as it uses a Latin encoding
by default. PostgreSQL uses the SQL_ASCII encoding by default which I
believe does not handle umlauts. However, you can select a different
encoding like LATIN1 with the -e switch of the refdba:createdb
command, or you can make this the default by editing refdbdrc.

Keep in mind that RefDB does not do anything to your data that affects
character encoding. It receives sequences of bytes on one side and
sends them to a database server on the other side (and vice versa when
retrieving data). Everything related to character encoding happens
inside the database server.

If this is not all it takes to make RefDB accept umlauts, then this is
a bug. I'd be greatly interested to fix it then. I already gather from
this that the documentation is insufficient in this matter.

 > A RIS file with "H=F6=F6k" is rejected by addref, because of the two=

 > umlauts (eg if I replace them with o, I can add the reference fine).=

 > Now I edited the file in unicode mode and put the unicode equivalent=
s
 > in. I now can at least add the reference. But if I look eg at a sear=
ch
 > via the webinterface, I still get the ugly unicode raw code (H=C3=B6=
=C3=B6k).

If you send Unicode strings, the database must be able to accept
Unicode strings as well. MySQL < 4.0 does not support Unicode,
PostgreSQL does only if you use the UNICODE encoding in your
database. As Unicode is still just a sequence of bytes, you don't get
an error in either case, but you wouldn't be able to e.g. search for
"H=F6=F6k".

The browser display problem is most likely due to the fact that the
web browser does not know that these sequences are to be interpreted
as Unicode characters. I'll have to find out how the RefDB-generated
HTML pages could tell the browser about Unicode if the database server
uses this encoding.

regards,
Markus

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