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From: Jason F. <jas...@ya...> - 2002-05-29 19:58:26
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Its coming - the lists are already set up, we're just having some small problems changing the MX record. Looks like the best way is to move our entire site over to LiquidPages. - Jason --- Steven Edwards <ste...@ya...> wrote: > > Sh*t. Sorry Steven. It was kind of my bad. Didn't > > read your msg till just > > now. > > Its alright. We need to get ros-general back up so we > can have these heated debates. Anyone heard any info > about that? Phillip you still alive? > > > Thanks > Steven > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- > http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > reactos-kernel mailing list > rea...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com |
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From: Nick D. <nic...@ya...> - 2002-05-29 14:30:23
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Urquhart" <man...@ki...> To: <rea...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Forward: "ReactOS is too limited" > >>Linux may be good as a web server. Apache is an excellent program, but > >>people will be able to run the win32 version on ReactOS soon so what > >>possible use will Linux have then? (except maybe as a firewall - wow!). > >> > > > >You are exagerating here. For management tasks I prefer a commandline over a > >GUI. A commandline interface is usually easier to design, and is therefore > >often more informative. I really dislike using the mouse, and I feel I am > >forced to use it in a GUI. > >Linux is a perfect server-machine, though it has several disadvantages > >running it as a desktop OS. At home all my files are stored on my Debian > >server, which is also webserver, mail-server, filewall, router, etc... To > >work i use a windows machine. More and more often i find myself working on > >the server via Putty, because of it's wonderfull commandline interface... > > > >What use does a webserver have, wasting it's precious processorcycles on > >maintaining a desktopwindow? I guess the only enviroment that justifies a > >GUI (or more specifict to win32, the GDI) is a desktop machine. > I suppose it depends who you're targetting Reactos for. > What i'd like to see is Reactos having an option to the end user - Do > you want the gdi installed/enabled or not? (So if your using reactos as > a server, the cpu isn't being "hogged" by the gdi) That's an excellent idea. That way, ROS would be good as a server and for things like embedded devices, add that to a good GDI/GUI and it's good for the desktop. [snip] > What i find hard is to actually use linux as a dekstop - I just don't > get the same feeling, and i'm constantly thinking how will i run Windows > Game X on it, or > Y program. I simply can't get used to it, and i keep reverting to using > windows. I'd like to use linux, but i just can't get to grips with it. The thing is that ReactOS will be like that for a while until everything is implemented. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Date Bath, England, UK --- Outgoing mail is certified virus free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com |
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From: Nick D. <nic...@ya...> - 2002-05-29 14:26:31
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Hi Koert, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koert van der Veer" <ko...@ic...> To: <rea...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Forward: "ReactOS is too limited" > [snip] > > > > After looking through reams of unhelpful (and sometimes contradictory) > Linux > > FAQs and other DOCs, I ventured onto some Linux forums where I was told to > > "RTFM" (by people with 5 inch thick glasses, a permanent hunch and acne > that > > would make a leopard feel jealous, I have no doubt). > > > > The Linux command line is unhelpful, unfriendly and unforgiving. Maybe it > > was useful in the past (to save disk space, processor power, memory, etc.) > > to use an OS with a minimal amount of messages, but times have changed. We > > live in an age where the minimum spec processor you can buy (at least in > the > > UK) is 1 GHz and systems come with 512MB RAM standard. > > > > Linux may be good as a web server. Apache is an excellent program, but > > people will be able to run the win32 version on ReactOS soon so what > > possible use will Linux have then? (except maybe as a firewall - wow!). > > > You are exagerating here. For management tasks I prefer a commandline over a > GUI. A commandline interface is usually easier to design, and is therefore > often more informative. I really dislike using the mouse, and I feel I am > forced to use it in a GUI. Maybe I am exagerrating slightly but I have had some pretty bad experiences with Linux and one of the Linux Posse's. I find it easier to do some things command line and some mouse - I've written some wicked batch files in my time, but I like a combination. The trouble with the command line is that any app written for it will have it's own interface, so for word processing, email, news, etc. I find the mouse a lot easier to use. > Linux is a perfect server-machine, though it has several disadvantages > running it as a desktop OS. At home all my files are stored on my Debian > server, which is also webserver, mail-server, filewall, router, etc... To > work i use a windows machine. More and more often i find myself working on > the server via Putty, because of it's wonderfull commandline interface... Maybe because I was looking for a desktop OS I found Linux to be a bit of the pain in the arse. I imagine if so many people use it as a web server it must generally be good at serving. :-) > What use does a webserver have, wasting it's precious processorcycles on > maintaining a desktopwindow? I guess the only enviroment that justifies a > GUI (or more specifict to win32, the GDI) is a desktop machine. You're right, of course. Novell's NetWare OS isn't that pretty to look at but it's probably quicker than an NT server. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Date Bath, England, UK --- Outgoing mail is certified virus free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com |
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From: KJK::Hyperion <no...@li...> - 2002-05-28 20:48:01
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At 12.33 28/05/2002, you wrote: [...] no, no, no, please. This leads nowhere. It's a gratuitous flame bait On the other hand, "my" guy makes interesting points: - why should people invest time and money on ReactOS? - how will ReactOS survive to legal actions from Microsoft? - isn't Windows too much of a moving target? |
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From: Jason F. <jas...@ya...> - 2002-05-28 20:59:08
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--- "KJK::Hyperion" <no...@li...> wrote: >On the other hand, "my" guy makes interesting points: >- why should people invest time and money on ReactOS? Because of the promise of application and driver compatibility. >- how will ReactOS survive to legal actions from Microsoft? Bill G said a Windows clone is allowable as long as their intellectual property is protected. If we step on their intellectual property then they should tell us how to get around it to clone what we need to. As a monopoly, the law should give us some leeway. Also commercial companies will fight these battles before we need to, companies like Lindows. >- isn't Windows too much of a moving target? Not really. I'm sure we'll be able to keep up - as we get stronger. - Jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com |
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From: Steven E. <Ste...@ya...> - 2002-05-28 21:07:54
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We should add this to the FAQ =P > - why should people invest time and money on ReactOS? Why should anyone invest in NT/2K? Or Linux? Or anything else? Why are we not all running VMS on VAX? The answer should be clear. > - how will ReactOS survive to legal actions from Microsoft? Are they going to sue all of us? How about the over 400 copyright holders in the WINE source tree alone? No, there will come a point where there are more people contributing to ReactOS and Related projects(MSYS,MINGW,WINE,etc) then there are Lawyers in M$ Legal. Plus if we do as Jason and I want and setup ReactOS a non-profit they wont want to touch us for fear of more bad public relations and they will try to act like we don't exist for as long a possible. > - isn't Windows too much of a moving target? NO NO NO NO NO. I admin SCO unix boxes that are 10 years old. I work with customers that cant give up DOS and Win3.1. Do you think MS can change the install base overnight to .NET? Hell no, its not to much of a moving target. I still run 16bit dos/win3.1 apps under XP. =P They have the weekness of backward compatibltiy that we must exploit. Thanks Steven "Every revolution was once a thought in one man's mind" - Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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From: Eric K. <ek...@rz...> - 2002-05-28 21:26:55
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"KJK::Hyperion" <no...@li...> wrote: > On the other hand, "my" guy makes interesting points: > - why should people invest time and money on ReactOS? The question is not "why should people..." but "why do people like to...". Because some people might like a free Windows-like OS. You don't have to spent time and money. You can just lean back and wait until the work is done. > - how will ReactOS survive to legal actions from Microsoft? Read the 'Foundation' section on the website. > - isn't Windows too much of a moving target? Do people really want a target that moves in unpredictable ways? Do people like to pay for getting their asses kicked? I don't, and I guess there are a lot of people out there who think the same. Think of .NET and Longhorn. Do you need it on your PC? This *might* be useful for enterprise servers but I don't want to run one. Eric |
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From: Eugene I. <ge...@my...> - 2002-05-28 22:19:13
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Now, that's a constructive discussion. > - why should people invest time and money on ReactOS? To created an open source OS that is compatible with (let's hope) all (commercial and free) Win32 software and win device drivers. I can write pages about design features of nt/win32 that I think are superior to the ones in Linux (and the other way too), but it's not the point. I think that Windows will exist for the forseeable future and will be the most popular desktop system for many years to come (despite all the recent progress of Linux and Mac OS X), and I think that having a windows clone is no less important right now than having a unix clone. Plus, ReactOS is ideal for someone who programs for Windows and wants to donate time for open source development without first having to learn unix. > - how will ReactOS survive to legal actions from Microsoft? Well, there are already several opensource projects that are intruding into MS territory: Wine, LinuxNTFS, Samba, OpenOffice/StarOffice (+a number of shareware msoffice clones) to name a few and there hasn't been much legal action from MS. It may be that MS doesn't want to give these projects free publicity or it may be just pointless to try and stop projects when hundreds of people across the world have the source code. There are other > - isn't Windows too much of a moving target? There weren't too many changes in nt kernel between Win2k and WinXP. Even changes from NT 4 to Win2k are not that great. Same goes for Win32/GUI. Most changes happened in server/networking components (ActiveDirectory, blah, blah...), but these are probably not high priority areas for us right now. As I understand the goal for the next version of windows is object-oriented file system so we should have about 2 years to catch up with win2k. ei |
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From: Nick D. <nic...@ya...> - 2002-05-29 14:34:14
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Hi Hyperion, ----- Original Message ----- From: "KJK::Hyperion" <no...@li...> To: <rea...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Forward: "ReactOS is too limited" > At 12.33 28/05/2002, you wrote: > > [...] > > no, no, no, please. This leads nowhere. It's a gratuitous flame bait > On the other hand, "my" guy makes interesting points: > - why should people invest time and money on ReactOS? > - how will ReactOS survive to legal actions from Microsoft? > - isn't Windows too much of a moving target? Yu're right. Say sorry to your mate for me. I just feel the same way about Linux (as a desktop OS anyway). Apologies, Nick. -- Nick Date Bath, England, UK --- Outgoing mail is certified virus free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com |
