RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] installation still needs a LOT of improvement
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RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] installation still needs a LOT of improvement
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From: William L. F. <Bi...@im...> - 2004-11-01 04:46:06
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The installation questions are often the result of two things: 1. Poor documentation. Step by step install.txt is needed for newbies. 2. People trying to use old versions of the code that were broken to begin with. The asp.net forums are now community server :: forums... search on that and you'll find them. -----Original Message----- From: rai...@li... [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of Chris Farrell Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:47 PM To: rai...@li... Subject: Re: [Rainbowportal-devel] installation still needs a LOT of improvement John, Of course they are good points, but good ideas are cheap. Will they ever turn to action? Most programmers have more ideas than time so I do understand people wanting to work on their own projects, but if a few people made a commitment to spend even small amounts of time helping newbies out in the forums, it would really have a positive impact. I'm not sure a exe setup is the right path. Would be a great idea if Rainbow was a windows program but it isn't, it is a web app. Most people are able to get Rainbow installed on their local machines, the problems they have are getting it to work on their remote hosts. I have probably fielded 10 installation questions this week and I can't recall a single person who couldn't get rainbow to work locally. What is yaf? While on the subject of small changes to forums. One small change that would make a huge impact on the effectiveness of the forums is the ability to mark a request as "complete". That way people looking to help others could do quick searches to see who still needs help. I might suggest this to the asp.net guys if I can find a way to contact them. Cheers Chris Farrell At 07:35 PM 10/31/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Chris, > >All good points. > >I'm out of the game for at least another 2 weeks :( I'm on a project >with sucks up all of my available time. > >There is a better setup due. An exe that does it for you (Manu is >working on it). > >Forums, yep I no longer have much time to go through my mails let >alone the forums :( > >Someone on the list mentioned they had modded yaf to support multiple >portals as well as some other changes. Would it be possible (Sorry >dont have your mail to hand) to feed those changes back to the yaf >project like DNN have done? I havent used yaf yet but have followed >it's progress and it is a good project. > >Maybe implementing that as the main forum (Or the next version of the >asp.net forums) which provide rss feeds would be useful. That way >people could subscribe tot he rss feed instead of having to check the >forums every day? > >John > >On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:44:59 -0500, Chris Farrell ><ch...@cf...> wrote: > > Guys, > > I have seen this go on for way too long. There has been progress made > > but there is still a > > way to go and there can be some simple steps taken that would really help > > Rainbow. > > > > 1: Help the newbies in the forums. I'm finding messages that are weeks > > old with zero responses > > for basic beginner difficulties! I try to respond when I can but I often > > do not know the answer. > > There is no excuse for having unanswered questions in the installation part > > of the forum, none. > > With the exception of a small group of people seems like all of the rainbow > > contributors ignore > > this section. We need more people checking and responding here. > > > > 2: While I accept that the people who often have problems are the same > > ones who are least > > likely to actually read documentation, we could do a better job of > > providing documentation for > > common installation errors in the downloaded zip. I'd say 7 out of 10 > > installation problems I > > see are due to basic errors with database user/permissions setup. > > > > 3: A how-to document for using the Rainbow logging system. I seriously > > doubt if 80% of > > rainbow users even know the rainbow.config exists. > > > > 4: Simplify logging and debugging for setup/updates. We have basic > > authentication for > > running setup scripts now(login/pass set in config file), why can't we > > redirect them to > > detailed error messages right then and there if something goes wrong? Tell > > them what > > script, sproc, etc failed, why,etc. > > > > 5: A how-to on debugging rainbow modules. Most people are simply > > perplexed the first > > time they build a module and keep getting errors from the rainbow > > parser. Honestly I've > > written several modules and I don't know how to work with those errors, I > > just figured out > > a way to work around them. > > > > 6: Improve location for links relating to documentation. The most > > important stuff on the > > rainbow site is hidden. Revising the left pane of the home tab for > > Rainbowportal.net would > > be neat. I believe that many of the people who struggle with rainbow are > > willing and able > > to solve their own problems but do not know that half of the documentation > > even exists. > > Sure more documentation is needed, but whats the point if what we haven't > > isn't being > > used anyway? > > > > Just a bunch of ideas. > > > > Chris Farrell > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Rainbowportal-devel mailing list > > Rai...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Rainbowportal-devel mailing list >Rai...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click _______________________________________________ Rainbowportal-devel mailing list Rai...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel |