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Re: [Rails-devel] Private Companies in 1880...

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Quick answers, see below. All private companies in all 18xx work 
differently ;-) Please remember that I only read 1880 rules before, 
never played...


On 09/25/2013 02:42 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> Just like everything else in 1880, private companies work a little
> differently than "normal".  The problems are:
>
> - They never close.  They just stop paying out.  This is important
> because the benefits of the privates carry on for the entire game.

>
> - They should never count against the share limit
>
> - They count as zero value at the end of the game.  It probably actually
> should count as zero value during the entire game.
>
> The first one is easy to deal with inside 1880 specific code.

Revenue is already a list of revenue values, that can change by phase.
Compare field revenue and method getRevenueByPhase inside the 
PrivateCompany class. No need for specific code.
Non-closing is not an issue just do not specify a closing condition.

>
> The third is difficult because inside Player the worth is based on the
> base price of the private.  I was thinking about adding a field that
> could be initialized in the XML that would indicate the worth of each
> private and changing Player to look at it.

Base price of the private is only used for worth and selling to and from 
companies, the base price for each item of the start packet is defined 
separately. I do not know 1880 good enough, if this not enough 
flexibility already. (Compare 1830 CompanyManager.xml for an example)

>
> The second I assume is similar, but I haven't had time to track that
> down in the code yet.

This will require a change, as PrivateCompanies are counted as one 
certificate towards the certificateCount. (Compare method 
getCertificateCount in Portfolio class).

This has to be changed, my recommendation is to move up method 
getCertificateCount from PublicCertificateI to Certificate interface, 
with according changes to the field certificateCount in 
PublicCertificate class.

Look forward to Rails2.0, this will be simplified as all duplicate 
Interfaces are dropped.

>
> Does this seem like a reasonable approach?
>
> Mike
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[Rails-devel] Private Companies in 1880...

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

Just like everything else in 1880, private companies work a little
differently than "normal".  The problems are:

- They never close.  They just stop paying out.  This is important because
the benefits of the privates carry on for the entire game.

- They should never count against the share limit

- They count as zero value at the end of the game.  It probably actually
should count as zero value during the entire game.

The first one is easy to deal with inside 1880 specific code.

The third is difficult because inside Player the worth is based on the base
price of the private.  I was thinking about adding a field that could be
initialized in the XML that would indicate the worth of each private and
changing Player to look at it.

The second I assume is similar, but I haven't had time to track that down
in the code yet.

Does this seem like a reasonable approach?

Mike

Re: [Rails-devel] tileLaysPerColour/Phase

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

I agree with Erik, that there should not be an issue with save files, 
unless you break the mechanism of tileLays for the other games. 
TileLaysPerColour is never stored inside the save file.

The best approach in Rails 1.x is to use the following method in 
GameManager:

   public void initialiseNewPhase(PhaseI phase);

This allows to change tileLaysPerColour according to the new change.

However do not forget to change tileLaysPerColour to a stateful 
variable, thus from a Map to a HashMapState in the Phase class, 
otherwise undo will not work correctly.
Most likely method initFromMap(...) in HashMapState will be helpful.

In Rails 2.0 there will be a new PhaseChangeInterface will be available
to allow easier access to Phase changes, however it is not implemented 
so far.

For 1853 I would wait to implement the requirements until we start 
coding for that game, as it seems that the tile lays conditions are 
quite specific to each game. But I might be wrong here.

Stefan


On 09/22/2013 08:42 PM, Erik Vos wrote:
> Hello Martin,
>
>> I think we need a localised copy of tileLaysPerColur for each Phase, but
> of
>> course can copy the contents of the previousPhase if no change is
>> detected...
>
> That would be the normal fix indeed.
>
>> But we will break every savegame if we fix that rails.game.phase.java.
>
> Why exactly?  Only the player moves are saved, and I don't immediately see
> why saved games would be broken, as long as no incorrect moves have been
> played that would be rejected after the fix.
>
> Erik
>
>
>

Re: [Rails-devel] tileLaysPerColour/Phase

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Am 22.09.2013 20:42, schrieb Erik Vos:
> Hello Martin,
>
>> I think we need a localised copy of tileLaysPerColur for each Phase, but
> of
>> course can copy the contents of the previousPhase if no change is
>> detected...
> That would be the normal fix indeed.
>
>> But we will break every savegame if we fix that rails.game.phase.java.
> Why exactly?  Only the player moves are saved, and I don't immediately see
> why saved games would be broken, as long as no incorrect moves have been
> played that would be rejected after the fix. 
Hi Erik,

maybe i missed something there then..

I'll give it a new attempt.

> Erik 
>
>
>
Martin

Re: [Rails-devel] tileLaysPerColour/Phase

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

Hello Martin,

> I think we need a localised copy of tileLaysPerColur for each Phase, but
of
> course can copy the contents of the previousPhase if no change is
> detected...

That would be the normal fix indeed.

> But we will break every savegame if we fix that rails.game.phase.java.

Why exactly?  Only the player moves are saved, and I don't immediately see
why saved games would be broken, as long as no incorrect moves have been
played that would be rejected after the fix. 

Erik 

Re: [Rails-devel] tileLaysPerColour/Phase

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

This fix will also be needed for 1853, where companies can lay 1 or 2
yellow depending on decision and phase. It would be nice if the code
supported this game also. Rules are at
http://lookout-spiele.de/wp-content/uploads/EN-1853_V3.pdf and this is the
relevant text:

In the first Operating Round of a Major Company (Companies 1-4, and
possibly also Company 5, REF 2.6) the Director of the Company must choose
one of the following alternatives:

1. The right to lay two tiles in a Operating Round does not come into
effect until Phase 2.
2. The right to lay two tiles in a Operating Round is gained immediately
but must be paid for whenever it is used. If this option is taken, whenever
the Company lays two tiles in a Operating Round it pays the Bank at the
following rates:

• Company 1 - £50

• Companies 2, 3 & 4 (and Company 5 if it is a Major) - £20



--
Chris

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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Mike Bourke <com...@ip...>wrote:

> Have you consider putting together a quick savegame conversion program to
> solve the problem? Of course, it would not be an issue for games saved
> using
> the fixed version, because that would be part of the fix requirements.
> Sometimes brute force is the simplest solution.
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] tileLaysPerColour/Phase

[Mike B. <com...@ip...>]

Have you consider putting together a quick savegame conversion program to
solve the problem? Of course, it would not be an issue for games saved using
the fixed version, because that would be part of the fix requirements.
Sometimes brute force is the simplest solution.

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[Rails-devel] tileLaysPerColour/Phase

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hello Mike, et al.

i found the problem, and its not that easy to fix without breaking lots
and lots of things.

For that reason i have incorporated Stefan, Erik and Brett to see how we
can go on.

1880 is changing in Phase B1 the amount of yellow tiles available to be
placed on the map for all mayor companies to 2.

Currently the Class Phase is using a unique Map called tileLaysPerColour.

This map gets adjusted for every Phase assuming that the Colours Change
but not the Fact that the  number of tilelays per colour might Change at
a later stage in Game. (A least thats what i observed right now).

I think we need a localised copy of tileLaysPerColur for each Phase, but
of course can copy the contents of the previousPhase if no change is
detected...

But we will break every savegame if we fix that rails.game.phase.java.
Of course we will have to create then a Phase_1880 class (with all
constraints) and have to create specific Phases for all other games that
change subsequently tileLaysPerColour in later Phase (going from 2
yellow to 1 or from 1 yellow to 2 (like 1880)).

So how do we proceed here ?

Regards,
Martin

P.s. I palced a quick Fix for our 1880 Problem in PublicCompany_1880,
but just that---

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails releases for 1880

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Sorry, you are right: As it only should occur once for the company and 
not per train, best way is to implement the RevenueDynamicModifier.

Take the Pullman-Modifier as an example how to use it in a similar (only 
slightly more complex) context.

Using the Revenue interfaces is best practice as it guarantees to have 
no impact on the calculation in the other games.

Stefan

On 09/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> That is what we tried at first, but I didn't see how to do it.
> addRevenueBonus seemed to only work if it was tied to a vertex, and
> seemed like it would apply to each train, which isn't what we wanted.
>
> Could be that I missed an interface in there, tho.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
>
>     The best way to add that kind of bonus is to implement the
>     StaticRevenueModifier interface.
>
>     On 09/18/2013 03:53 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
>      >
>      > I also added in a way to add a value to the company's total run
>     within
>      > the calculator.  (In 1880, depending on your position in the stock
>      > market, you may get a bonus to the total of the company run.)
>       I'm not
>      > sure what I did was the right way to do it, but I didn't see
>     another way
>      > to add in a bonus that wasn't tied to a specific hex or hexes or an
>      > additional train.
>      >
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Re: [Rails-devel] Rails releases for 1880

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

That is what we tried at first, but I didn't see how to do it.
addRevenueBonus seemed to only work if it was tied to a vertex, and seemed
like it would apply to each train, which isn't what we wanted.

Could be that I missed an interface in there, tho.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> The best way to add that kind of bonus is to implement the
> StaticRevenueModifier interface.
>
> On 09/18/2013 03:53 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> >
> > I also added in a way to add a value to the company's total run within
> > the calculator.  (In 1880, depending on your position in the stock
> > market, you may get a bonus to the total of the company run.)  I'm not
> > sure what I did was the right way to do it, but I didn't see another way
> > to add in a bonus that wasn't tied to a specific hex or hexes or an
> > additional train.
> >
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Re: [Rails-devel] Rails releases for 1880

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

The best way to add that kind of bonus is to implement the 
StaticRevenueModifier interface.

On 09/18/2013 03:53 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
>
> I also added in a way to add a value to the company's total run within
> the calculator.  (In 1880, depending on your position in the stock
> market, you may get a bonus to the total of the company run.)  I'm not
> sure what I did was the right way to do it, but I didn't see another way
> to add in a bonus that wasn't tied to a specific hex or hexes or an
> additional train.
>

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails releases for 1880

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

The main one right now is that I did add in the ability to have multiple
start rounds.

I also added in a way to add a value to the company's total run within the
calculator.  (In 1880, depending on your position in the stock market, you
may get a bonus to the total of the company run.)  I'm not sure what I did
was the right way to do it, but I didn't see another way to add in a bonus
that wasn't tied to a specific hex or hexes or an additional train.

I will come up with the complete list in a little bit.

I'd guess that it might be on the order of a few weeks before the problems
with 1880 that I'm aware of are completely fixed.

Mike


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> I suggest to have alpha/beta-releases still from the 1880 branches.
>
> As soon as the 1880 has stabilized either Mike or myself will merge 1880
> into the master branch for an official release of 1.8.0
>
> After that most likely there will be a few bug fixes occur, so after
> some weeks of testing I will incorporate the 1880 changes into the 2.0
> branch.
>
> For the latter it would be helpful if Mike could provide a bullet list
> of the major changes that effect the baseline Rails code and either Mike
> or Martin one or more test game files for 1880.
>
> Brett Lentz wrote (off-list):
> > I think that it's time that we better integrated everybody into the
> > project and enabled 1880 to be an official addition to Rails.  I think
> > this will also make it easier to share the less interesting
> > release-related work.
> >
> > We should probably also have an (on-list) conversation about aligning
> > shipping an official 1.7.x release with 1880 and integrating that work
> > with Stefan's 2.0 branch in time to start shipping release candidates
> > when Stefan (or anyone else) is read for supporting that.
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[Rails-devel] Rails releases for 1880

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

I suggest to have alpha/beta-releases still from the 1880 branches.

As soon as the 1880 has stabilized either Mike or myself will merge 1880 
into the master branch for an official release of 1.8.0

After that most likely there will be a few bug fixes occur, so after 
some weeks of testing I will incorporate the 1880 changes into the 2.0 
branch.

For the latter it would be helpful if Mike could provide a bullet list 
of the major changes that effect the baseline Rails code and either Mike 
or Martin one or more test game files for 1880.

Brett Lentz wrote (off-list):
> I think that it's time that we better integrated everybody into the
> project and enabled 1880 to be an official addition to Rails.  I think
> this will also make it easier to share the less interesting
> release-related work.
>
> We should probably also have an (on-list) conversation about aligning
> shipping an official 1.7.x release with 1880 and integrating that work
> with Stefan's 2.0 branch in time to start shipping release candidates
> when Stefan (or anyone else) is read for supporting that.

Re: [Rails-devel] Multiple Start Packets?

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

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  <body>Just keep working in specific 1880. Will be merged to the other branches before release.     <br>
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      So if I&#39;m writing something like this that is not 1880 specific, which branch should I be working in?&nbsp; rails 1.7.x?<br/>
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          Nothing to object. Two things to consider: The Round mechanism will<br/>
          change for Rails 2.0, but there is no promised date for this to happen,<br/>
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              &gt; but is not complete. &nbsp;None of the existing games use it. &nbsp;I think that<br/>
              &gt; it would cleaner for 1880 to start with two start packets instead of<br/>
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              &gt; then pick foreign investors). &nbsp;Does this seem reasonable? &nbsp;Is it ok if I<br/>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Multiple Start Packets?

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

I have a test that's failing before I changed anything
(1935_PRHasTwoExcessTrains).  Does everyone else have this issue?


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Michael Alexander
<out...@gm...>wrote:

> So if I'm writing something like this that is not 1880 specific, which
> branch should I be working in?  rails 1.7.x?
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>
>> Nothing to object. Two things to consider: The Round mechanism will
>> change for Rails 2.0, but there is no promised date for this to happen,
>> so maybe not that important. However it is easy to break the StartRound
>> class, it happened to me and others before. So run the automated tests
>> frequently.
>>
>>
>> On 09/03/2013 10:13 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
>> > Everyone,
>> >
>> >      It looks like support for multiple start packets partially exists,
>> > but is not complete.  None of the existing games use it.  I think that
>> > it would cleaner for 1880 to start with two start packets instead of
>> > one, since there are two stages to the start - (auction off privates,
>> > then pick foreign investors).  Does this seem reasonable?  Is it ok if I
>> > work on finishing the support for multiple start packets?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Rails-devel] Multiple Start Packets?

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

So if I'm writing something like this that is not 1880 specific, which
branch should I be working in?  rails 1.7.x?


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> Nothing to object. Two things to consider: The Round mechanism will
> change for Rails 2.0, but there is no promised date for this to happen,
> so maybe not that important. However it is easy to break the StartRound
> class, it happened to me and others before. So run the automated tests
> frequently.
>
>
> On 09/03/2013 10:13 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> > Everyone,
> >
> >      It looks like support for multiple start packets partially exists,
> > but is not complete.  None of the existing games use it.  I think that
> > it would cleaner for 1880 to start with two start packets instead of
> > one, since there are two stages to the start - (auction off privates,
> > then pick foreign investors).  Does this seem reasonable?  Is it ok if I
> > work on finishing the support for multiple start packets?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
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Re: [Rails-devel] Multiple Start Packets?

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Nothing to object. Two things to consider: The Round mechanism will 
change for Rails 2.0, but there is no promised date for this to happen, 
so maybe not that important. However it is easy to break the StartRound 
class, it happened to me and others before. So run the automated tests 
frequently.


On 09/03/2013 10:13 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> Everyone,
>
>      It looks like support for multiple start packets partially exists,
> but is not complete.  None of the existing games use it.  I think that
> it would cleaner for 1880 to start with two start packets instead of
> one, since there are two stages to the start - (auction off privates,
> then pick foreign investors).  Does this seem reasonable?  Is it ok if I
> work on finishing the support for multiple start packets?
>
> Mike
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Re: [Rails-devel] Multiple Start Packets?

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

On 2013-09-03 13:13, Michael Alexander wrote:
>     It looks like support for multiple start packets partially exists, but is not complete.  None of the existing games use it.  I think that it would cleaner for 1880 to start with two start packets instead of one, since there are two stages to the start - (auction off privates, then pick foreign investors).  Does this seem reasonable?  Is it ok if I work on finishing the support for multiple start packets?

Please do.  I'm waiting for this (and for 2.0 to land) to resume work
on 1837 (where I plan start packet 1 = privates, coal, and Sd companies,
start packet 2 = KK and Ug companies).

[Rails-devel] Multiple Start Packets?

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

Everyone,

    It looks like support for multiple start packets partially exists, but
is not complete.  None of the existing games use it.  I think that it would
cleaner for 1880 to start with two start packets instead of one, since
there are two stages to the start - (auction off privates, then pick
foreign investors).  Does this seem reasonable?  Is it ok if I work on
finishing the support for multiple start packets?

Mike

[Rails-devel] New alpha_1880 available

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hello,

a new alpha of rails containing most of the 1880 implementation is
available now thanks to the contribution of Michael Alexander.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29072620/rails-1.7.12_1880_alpha10.zip

Open points still needed to address are:

  * Private powers not implemented fully (Rocket of China, Ferry Power,
    The Private that gets exchanged for cash)...
  * Off map areas not blocking tiles/tokens lays  (General rails problem).
  * on starting bids you cant increment your bid by 5 by using the UI-arrow.
  * HKR yellow Tile is displayed with the wrong value, but calculated
    with the right one...

Kind regards,
Martin & Michael

Re: [Rails-devel] Building a jar (was: 1880 updates)

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

That worked great, even on my windows box. ;)

I had been looking this page instead:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/rails/index.php?title=Building_the_JAR

which is why I was confused.


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> Wiki contains information on creating a jar and other issues for releases:
>
>
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/rails/index.php?title=Release_Management
>
> However it is not fully up-to-date, as all steps are automated and
> available from ant:
>
> You should only use the following targets from the ant-script:
> (Choose via Run As => Ant Build ..., scroll down, those are the last
> of the available targets)
>
> * build_release: Builds the jar and puts it inside of zip and tar archives.
>
> * publish_release: Transfer it to sourceforge.
>
> * clean_release: Clean up after publish.
>
> I will update the wiki tonight.
>
> Please report any issues, as I use a Linux setup which might differ in
> some nasty bits from Windows. Or to be more precise: vice versa ;-)v
>
>
> On 09/02/2013 12:48 AM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> > How do I make the .jar file?  I ran "build.xml" with ant from eclipse,
> > and got the following in the console:
> >
> > Buildfile: C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml
> > Duplicated project name in import. Project Rails defined first in
> > C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml and again in
> > C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\buildRails.xml
> > build-subprojects:
> > init:
> >       [copy] Copying 1403 files to C:\Documents and
> > Settings\Michael\git\code\classes
> > build-project:
> >       [echo] Rails: C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml
> >      [javac] C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml:99:
> > warning: 'includeantruntime' was not set, defaulting to
> > build.sysclasspath=last; set to false for repeatable builds
> >      [javac] Compiling 3 source files to C:\Documents and
> > Settings\Michael\git\code\classes
> > build:
> > BUILD SUCCESSFUL
> > Total time: 41 seconds
> >
> >
> > But I don't appear to have a jar...
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> > <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Martin,
> >     merging changes from Rails1.x into Rails 2.0 is a non-trivial task,
> >     especially if you have sub-classed Round classes.
> >
> >     Please let me review the code of the 1880 branch and then decide how
> to
> >     proceed. Otherwise I fear you will spend a lot of time with no
> progress
> >     or more likely even breaking something.
> >
> >     Stefan
> >
> >     On 09/01/2013 07:26 PM, Martin Brumm wrote:
> >      > Am 01.09.2013 18:39, schrieb Michael Alexander:
> >      >> I have not currently released the specific version I'm working
> on to
> >      >> anyone.  I was planning on just making a .jar file and sending
> it to
> >      >> the group I'm in who are playing, and someone from the other
> group
> >      >> asked for it as well.  Both groups seem interested in the current
> >      >> progress, and it's well known that it's still at an alpha/beta
> >     stage.
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> >     <mailto:ste...@we...>
> >      >> <mailto:ste...@we... <mailto:ste...@we...>>> wrote:
> >      >>
> >      >>     So I have to get myself updated on your progress with 1880.
> >      >>     Been some time I had a look at it.
> >      >>
> >      >>     How do you release your changes to the users currently, as I
> >     have not
> >      >>     done any new releases for some time now?
> >      >>
> >      >>     Documentation of the new features was mainly done by a set
> >     of mails
> >      >>     to this list. As soon as time permits I will put them
> together
> >      >>     on the wiki, if it still exists after the sourceforge
> updates.
> >      >>
> >      >
> >      > Hello Stefan & Michael,
> >      >
> >      > releases for 1880 are currently based on 1.7.12. I have merged the
> >      > 1880_specific into the 1.7.12 stream.
> >      >
> >      > I'll try to merge that locally into the 2.0 dev-stream tonight.
> I'll
> >      > incorporate Michaels Fixes to the 1880_specific before that
> though.
> >      >
> >      > The release process is handled by myself building the ZIP-File
> >     locally
> >      > and put that into a public dropbox share as i dont have admin
> >     access to
> >      > sourceforge-rails currently.
> >      >
> >      > Regadrs, Martin
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
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Re: [Rails-devel] Building a jar (was: 1880 updates)

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Wiki contains information on creating a jar and other issues for releases:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/rails/index.php?title=Release_Management

However it is not fully up-to-date, as all steps are automated and
available from ant:

You should only use the following targets from the ant-script:
(Choose via Run As => Ant Build ..., scroll down, those are the last
of the available targets)

* build_release: Builds the jar and puts it inside of zip and tar archives.

* publish_release: Transfer it to sourceforge.

* clean_release: Clean up after publish.

I will update the wiki tonight.

Please report any issues, as I use a Linux setup which might differ in 
some nasty bits from Windows. Or to be more precise: vice versa ;-)v


On 09/02/2013 12:48 AM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> How do I make the .jar file?  I ran "build.xml" with ant from eclipse,
> and got the following in the console:
>
> Buildfile: C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml
> Duplicated project name in import. Project Rails defined first in
> C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml and again in
> C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\buildRails.xml
> build-subprojects:
> init:
>       [copy] Copying 1403 files to C:\Documents and
> Settings\Michael\git\code\classes
> build-project:
>       [echo] Rails: C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml
>      [javac] C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml:99:
> warning: 'includeantruntime' was not set, defaulting to
> build.sysclasspath=last; set to false for repeatable builds
>      [javac] Compiling 3 source files to C:\Documents and
> Settings\Michael\git\code\classes
> build:
> BUILD SUCCESSFUL
> Total time: 41 seconds
>
>
> But I don't appear to have a jar...
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Martin,
>     merging changes from Rails1.x into Rails 2.0 is a non-trivial task,
>     especially if you have sub-classed Round classes.
>
>     Please let me review the code of the 1880 branch and then decide how to
>     proceed. Otherwise I fear you will spend a lot of time with no progress
>     or more likely even breaking something.
>
>     Stefan
>
>     On 09/01/2013 07:26 PM, Martin Brumm wrote:
>      > Am 01.09.2013 18:39, schrieb Michael Alexander:
>      >> I have not currently released the specific version I'm working on to
>      >> anyone.  I was planning on just making a .jar file and sending it to
>      >> the group I'm in who are playing, and someone from the other group
>      >> asked for it as well.  Both groups seem interested in the current
>      >> progress, and it's well known that it's still at an alpha/beta
>     stage.
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
>     <mailto:ste...@we...>
>      >> <mailto:ste...@we... <mailto:ste...@we...>>> wrote:
>      >>
>      >>     So I have to get myself updated on your progress with 1880.
>      >>     Been some time I had a look at it.
>      >>
>      >>     How do you release your changes to the users currently, as I
>     have not
>      >>     done any new releases for some time now?
>      >>
>      >>     Documentation of the new features was mainly done by a set
>     of mails
>      >>     to this list. As soon as time permits I will put them together
>      >>     on the wiki, if it still exists after the sourceforge updates.
>      >>
>      >
>      > Hello Stefan & Michael,
>      >
>      > releases for 1880 are currently based on 1.7.12. I have merged the
>      > 1880_specific into the 1.7.12 stream.
>      >
>      > I'll try to merge that locally into the 2.0 dev-stream tonight. I'll
>      > incorporate Michaels Fixes to the 1880_specific before that though.
>      >
>      > The release process is handled by myself building the ZIP-File
>     locally
>      > and put that into a public dropbox share as i dont have admin
>     access to
>      > sourceforge-rails currently.
>      >
>      > Regadrs, Martin
>      >
>      >
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1880 updates

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

How do I make the .jar file?  I ran "build.xml" with ant from eclipse, and
got the following in the console:

Buildfile: C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml
Duplicated project name in import. Project Rails defined first in
C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml and again in
C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\buildRails.xml
build-subprojects:
init:
     [copy] Copying 1403 files to C:\Documents and
Settings\Michael\git\code\classes
build-project:
     [echo] Rails: C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml
    [javac] C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\git\code\build.xml:99:
warning: 'includeantruntime' was not set, defaulting to
build.sysclasspath=last; set to false for repeatable builds
    [javac] Compiling 3 source files to C:\Documents and
Settings\Michael\git\code\classes
build:
BUILD SUCCESSFUL
Total time: 41 seconds


But I don't appear to have a jar...


On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
> merging changes from Rails1.x into Rails 2.0 is a non-trivial task,
> especially if you have sub-classed Round classes.
>
> Please let me review the code of the 1880 branch and then decide how to
> proceed. Otherwise I fear you will spend a lot of time with no progress
> or more likely even breaking something.
>
> Stefan
>
> On 09/01/2013 07:26 PM, Martin Brumm wrote:
> > Am 01.09.2013 18:39, schrieb Michael Alexander:
> >> I have not currently released the specific version I'm working on to
> >> anyone.  I was planning on just making a .jar file and sending it to
> >> the group I'm in who are playing, and someone from the other group
> >> asked for it as well.  Both groups seem interested in the current
> >> progress, and it's well known that it's still at an alpha/beta stage.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> >> <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     So I have to get myself updated on your progress with 1880.
> >>     Been some time I had a look at it.
> >>
> >>     How do you release your changes to the users currently, as I have
> not
> >>     done any new releases for some time now?
> >>
> >>     Documentation of the new features was mainly done by a set of mails
> >>     to this list. As soon as time permits I will put them together
> >>     on the wiki, if it still exists after the sourceforge updates.
> >>
> >
> > Hello Stefan & Michael,
> >
> > releases for 1880 are currently based on 1.7.12. I have merged the
> > 1880_specific into the 1.7.12 stream.
> >
> > I'll try to merge that locally into the 2.0 dev-stream tonight. I'll
> > incorporate Michaels Fixes to the 1880_specific before that though.
> >
> > The release process is handled by myself building the ZIP-File locally
> > and put that into a public dropbox share as i dont have admin access to
> > sourceforge-rails currently.
> >
> > Regadrs, Martin
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1880 updates

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Hi Martin,
merging changes from Rails1.x into Rails 2.0 is a non-trivial task, 
especially if you have sub-classed Round classes.

Please let me review the code of the 1880 branch and then decide how to
proceed. Otherwise I fear you will spend a lot of time with no progress 
or more likely even breaking something.

Stefan

On 09/01/2013 07:26 PM, Martin Brumm wrote:
> Am 01.09.2013 18:39, schrieb Michael Alexander:
>> I have not currently released the specific version I'm working on to
>> anyone.  I was planning on just making a .jar file and sending it to
>> the group I'm in who are playing, and someone from the other group
>> asked for it as well.  Both groups seem interested in the current
>> progress, and it's well known that it's still at an alpha/beta stage.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
>> <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
>>
>>     So I have to get myself updated on your progress with 1880.
>>     Been some time I had a look at it.
>>
>>     How do you release your changes to the users currently, as I have not
>>     done any new releases for some time now?
>>
>>     Documentation of the new features was mainly done by a set of mails
>>     to this list. As soon as time permits I will put them together
>>     on the wiki, if it still exists after the sourceforge updates.
>>
>
> Hello Stefan & Michael,
>
> releases for 1880 are currently based on 1.7.12. I have merged the
> 1880_specific into the 1.7.12 stream.
>
> I'll try to merge that locally into the 2.0 dev-stream tonight. I'll
> incorporate Michaels Fixes to the 1880_specific before that though.
>
> The release process is handled by myself building the ZIP-File locally
> and put that into a public dropbox share as i dont have admin access to
> sourceforge-rails currently.
>
> Regadrs, Martin
>
>
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1880 updates

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Am 01.09.2013 18:39, schrieb Michael Alexander:
> I have not currently released the specific version I'm working on to
> anyone.  I was planning on just making a .jar file and sending it to
> the group I'm in who are playing, and someone from the other group
> asked for it as well.  Both groups seem interested in the current
> progress, and it's well known that it's still at an alpha/beta stage.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
>
>     So I have to get myself updated on your progress with 1880.
>     Been some time I had a look at it.
>
>     How do you release your changes to the users currently, as I have not
>     done any new releases for some time now?
>
>     Documentation of the new features was mainly done by a set of mails
>     to this list. As soon as time permits I will put them together
>     on the wiki, if it still exists after the sourceforge updates.
>

Hello Stefan & Michael,

releases for 1880 are currently based on 1.7.12. I have merged the
1880_specific into the 1.7.12 stream.

I'll try to merge that locally into the 2.0 dev-stream tonight. I'll
incorporate Michaels Fixes to the 1880_specific before that though.

The release process is handled by myself building the ZIP-File locally
and put that into a public dropbox share as i dont have admin access to
sourceforge-rails currently.

Regadrs, Martin