First, a BIG THANK YOU and honest compliments! Q4OS is the only really different - and quite well made - distro I saw in a long time. What a pleasure to see a really different and thoughtfully constructed distro that doesn't look like having been cobbled together mindlessly by 14-year old "cool" students! Very nicely done! If I can solve my problems Q4OS will be my standard linux.
And now one wish and one question which contains a modest complaint:
The wish: Could you please give us kdevelop (or tdevelop) 3x? Reason: It seems the kde people are too busy coming up with ever new gadgets, nonsense, and versions and so kdevelop 3 will for quite some time be the only kdevelop to support many languages (which I need. kdevelop 4 is useless for me).
The question: Your menu drives me crazy! It offers whatnot (I don't care for) but "hides" the applications I install (apt-get or by hand) deep in the menu tree. Please, kindly provide some help how I can move my apps up the tree and/or how I can configure my own menu. And no, the manual isn't much help. Way too many config directories. Kindly give me some hints and a concrete example that I can use as a pattern (disclaimer: I'm coming from lxde, having stopped using kde long ago since they made it a gadetry zoo with version 4).
Thank you.
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Thank you for the positive post. We recommend you to install Q4OS Development pack with 'tdevelop' package included. Download development pack installer from Software downloads section of the Q4OS website and double-click downloaded file from file manager to launch setup. Follow installer instructions to install development pack. Please see http://www.q4os.org/developer.html
You can easily add and delete menu entries using right mouse click anywhere on the start menu -> Edit menu -> menu editor window opens -> and drag and drop any icon from menu or desktop into the menu editor window. You can create new folders/submenus too.
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Thanks for your help. I've good news and bad ones.
The good news is that your developer package hint worked great and, frankly, I thought "Wow! Those guys really thought hard and implemented well". I'm a happy developer again, thanks!
The bad news is that your menu tip doesn't work. No matter where (in the start menu) I right-click, I always end up seeing the same ~/.q4data/Programs
I also discovered a tmenueditor but it seems not to change anything. And finally I discovered "programs:/q4os-Programs/" (in konqueror) but unfortunately I'm too stupid to find that in my file system (sudo find / -type d -name q4os-Programs) so as to adapt things the way I want.
Could you please help me out to locate the "menu tree" in the file system? From there on I'd be fine to configure things to my liking.
Except for that (for me major) annoyance I'm extremely pleased with Q4OS. Great work!
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You are on the right path. Simply create folders and cut&paste/delete icons inside '~/.q4data/Programs' folder, they will be shown in your menu after closing the menueditor window. You have to open it with the right mouse click on the menu, as there is a simple daemon watching and updating changes on menueditor close. System/global menu items are not visible in the menueditor, but user defined only.
Builtin Trinity 'kmenuedit' tool is not compatible with Q4OS menu structure due to incompatibility with freedesktop standards, unfortunately. We need to update kmenuedit codebase, we are working on.
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Hmm, that's a little cumbersome but hey, Q4OS is worth that little "pain" (it wasn't just politeness to make compliments. I'm honestly very pleasedand impressed by your work).
Another reason for Q4OS: Using the original Trinity distro it failed to run quite some important java/Eclipse based tools (qt-gtk problems). Q4OS seems to work fine with them. A big plus.
Again for the menu: is there maybe a way to change/adapt the main start menu and to clean up/adapt the "Programs" submenu, too? I also hate that "Windows feeling" of not being able to directly any- and everything.
Thanks again for both, Q4OS and your help.
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You could revert Q4OS start menu into the default TDE this way:
$ cd ~/.config/menus
$ mv tde-applications.menu tde-applications.menu.backup
$ mv q4-tde-applications.menu q4-tde-applications.menu.backup
Login again and use 'kmenuedit.tde2' tool to edit the menu.
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Sounds like changing to kde4 menus. Sorry for stressing yout patience but I want to stick to kde3. I'm fine with what Q4OS gives me; I just want to understand and adapt/configure it.
Would you maybe have a link for me, where I could learn, how that pseudo directory "programs://" works and how Ican change things there?
Frankly, I dare only to insist because I'm quite confident that many people will want to configure/adapt their menus to their liking; so your efforts helping me are not wasted. After all the menu is a major human/machine interface.
Thanks for your patience and help!
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First, a BIG THANK YOU and honest compliments! Q4OS is the only really different - and quite well made - distro I saw in a long time. What a pleasure to see a really different and thoughtfully constructed distro that doesn't look like having been cobbled together mindlessly by 14-year old "cool" students! Very nicely done! If I can solve my problems Q4OS will be my standard linux.
And now one wish and one question which contains a modest complaint:
The wish: Could you please give us kdevelop (or tdevelop) 3x? Reason: It seems the kde people are too busy coming up with ever new gadgets, nonsense, and versions and so kdevelop 3 will for quite some time be the only kdevelop to support many languages (which I need. kdevelop 4 is useless for me).
The question: Your menu drives me crazy! It offers whatnot (I don't care for) but "hides" the applications I install (apt-get or by hand) deep in the menu tree. Please, kindly provide some help how I can move my apps up the tree and/or how I can configure my own menu. And no, the manual isn't much help. Way too many config directories. Kindly give me some hints and a concrete example that I can use as a pattern (disclaimer: I'm coming from lxde, having stopped using kde long ago since they made it a gadetry zoo with version 4).
Thank you.
Thank you for the positive post. We recommend you to install Q4OS Development pack with 'tdevelop' package included. Download development pack installer from Software downloads section of the Q4OS website and double-click downloaded file from file manager to launch setup. Follow installer instructions to install development pack. Please see http://www.q4os.org/developer.html
You can easily add and delete menu entries using right mouse click anywhere on the start menu -> Edit menu -> menu editor window opens -> and drag and drop any icon from menu or desktop into the menu editor window. You can create new folders/submenus too.
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Thanks for your help. I've good news and bad ones.
The good news is that your developer package hint worked great and, frankly, I thought "Wow! Those guys really thought hard and implemented well". I'm a happy developer again, thanks!
The bad news is that your menu tip doesn't work. No matter where (in the start menu) I right-click, I always end up seeing the same ~/.q4data/Programs
I also discovered a tmenueditor but it seems not to change anything. And finally I discovered "programs:/q4os-Programs/" (in konqueror) but unfortunately I'm too stupid to find that in my file system (sudo find / -type d -name q4os-Programs) so as to adapt things the way I want.
Could you please help me out to locate the "menu tree" in the file system? From there on I'd be fine to configure things to my liking.
Except for that (for me major) annoyance I'm extremely pleased with Q4OS. Great work!
You are on the right path. Simply create folders and cut&paste/delete icons inside '~/.q4data/Programs' folder, they will be shown in your menu after closing the menueditor window. You have to open it with the right mouse click on the menu, as there is a simple daemon watching and updating changes on menueditor close. System/global menu items are not visible in the menueditor, but user defined only.
Builtin Trinity 'kmenuedit' tool is not compatible with Q4OS menu structure due to incompatibility with freedesktop standards, unfortunately. We need to update kmenuedit codebase, we are working on.
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Hmm, that's a little cumbersome but hey, Q4OS is worth that little "pain" (it wasn't just politeness to make compliments. I'm honestly very pleasedand impressed by your work).
Another reason for Q4OS: Using the original Trinity distro it failed to run quite some important java/Eclipse based tools (qt-gtk problems). Q4OS seems to work fine with them. A big plus.
Again for the menu: is there maybe a way to change/adapt the main start menu and to clean up/adapt the "Programs" submenu, too? I also hate that "Windows feeling" of not being able to directly any- and everything.
Thanks again for both, Q4OS and your help.
You could revert Q4OS start menu into the default TDE this way:
$ cd ~/.config/menus
$ mv tde-applications.menu tde-applications.menu.backup
$ mv q4-tde-applications.menu q4-tde-applications.menu.backup
Login again and use 'kmenuedit.tde2' tool to edit the menu.
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Sounds like changing to kde4 menus. Sorry for stressing yout patience but I want to stick to kde3. I'm fine with what Q4OS gives me; I just want to understand and adapt/configure it.
Would you maybe have a link for me, where I could learn, how that pseudo directory "programs://" works and how Ican change things there?
Frankly, I dare only to insist because I'm quite confident that many people will want to configure/adapt their menus to their liking; so your efforts helping me are not wasted. After all the menu is a major human/machine interface.
Thanks for your patience and help!
No, the procedure above is related to TDE/KDE3 menus. Structure and principles of the system menu are a bit difficult to understand, you will find detailed information here http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html