From: Moez K. <moe...@gm...> - 2013-12-27 12:04:26
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Dear developers, I no longer find the source code for the examples in fortran 77 ! this is my favourite language and I am wondering if will be removed from the list supported languages in plplot ! Moez |
From: Arjen M. <Arj...@de...> - 2013-12-27 13:52:12
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Hello Moez, support for FORTRAN 77 has been deprecated for a coupe of years now. The reason for this is twofold: - All Fortran compilers we know of support Fortran 90/95 and later. So we decided to put our limited resources into the newer standards. The newer standards have a large number of advantages in comparison to FORTRAN 77, such as the use of arrays and array sections and checking the argument lists against the definition. This greatly reduces the number of mistakes you can make. - When this was announced several years ago, we did not receive any complaints. Could you explain in some detail what makes you use FORTRAN 77, instead of FORTRAN 95 or newer? There may be a relatively simple path to using the F95 bindings - you can still use most F77 constructs with an F95 compiler (with the exception of some very old features, F95 is a "superset" of F77, though most compilers will still support all of F77). You would only have to learn a few basic things regarding F95 to continue using PLplot. Regards, Arjen From: Moez Kilani [mailto:moe...@gm...] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:04 PM To: plplot_general Subject: [Plplot-general] fortran 77 Dear developers, I no longer find the source code for the examples in fortran 77 ! this is my favourite language and I am wondering if will be removed from the list supported languages in plplot ! Moez DISCLAIMER: This message is intended exclusively for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. The foundation 'Stichting Deltares', which has its seat at Delft, The Netherlands, Commercial Registration Number 41146461, is not liable in any way whatsoever for consequences and/or damages resulting from the improper, incomplete and untimely dispatch, receipt and/or content of this e-mail. |
From: Hiroyasu Y. <hi...@gs...> - 2013-12-29 15:37:07
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Dear Plplot Developers; I'v tried to install plplot 5.9.9 into flesh Mac on OSX 10.9 with latest Macports 2.2.1. Actually installation process has been succeeded, however installed plplot doesn't have Xwindow driver. Since this Mac environment can involve Xwindow driver from another Macports applications, install procedure of the latest plplot with Macports has some trouble. Please let me know how to solve this trouble. Sincerely, Hiro Hiroyasu YASUDA Laboratory of River Research Research Institute for Natural Hazards & Disaster Recovery Niigata University Ikarashi 2-no-cho, Nis-ku, Niigata, 950-2181, Japan Phone +81-25-262-7053 Facsimile +81-25-262-7050 E-mail hi...@gs... URL http://rde.nhdr.niigata-u.ac.jp/lab/ .´ ̄`. : (` : `. `´ : `・--´ |
From: Jerry <lan...@qw...> - 2013-12-29 22:47:01
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On Dec 29, 2013, at 8:20 AM, Hiroyasu Yasuda <hi...@gs...> wrote: > Dear Plplot Developers; > > I'v tried to install plplot 5.9.9 into flesh Mac on OSX 10.9 with latest Macports 2.2.1. Actually installation process has been succeeded, however installed plplot doesn't have Xwindow driver. Since this Mac environment can involve Xwindow driver from another Macports applications, install procedure of the latest plplot with Macports has some trouble. Please let me know how to solve this trouble. > > Sincerely, > Hiro > I'll amplify a bit on what Marius and Alan said. X11, also known as XQuartz now, is no longer included as part of Xcode, as of, I think 10.7 (Lion). It has to be installed separately. (But it is still supported by Apple.) I don't know if MacPorts installs it for you. I recommend also contacting the MacPorts list directly: mac...@li... The people there are quite good with help of this kind. Jerry |
From: Alan W. I. <ir...@be...> - 2013-12-29 18:55:33
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On 2013-12-30 00:20+0900 Hiroyasu Yasuda wrote: > Dear Plplot Developers; > I'v tried to install plplot 5.9.9 into flesh Mac on OSX 10.9 with latest Macports 2.2.1. Actually installation process has been succeeded, however installed plplot doesn't have Xwindow driver. Since this Mac environment can involve Xwindow driver from another Macports applications, install procedure of the latest plplot with Macports has some trouble. Please let me know how to solve this trouble. Hi Hiro: Thanks for your interest in PLplot. I note from http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=library&substr=plplot that x11 is one of the supported variants. So probably your best bet is to contact the openmaintainer for that port who is identified as "takeshi" to see what is wrong with your macports installation of PLplot. However, if you wanted to try a build of PLplot yourself that was independent of the macports version, and also much newer (we have just released PLplot-5.9.11), we would certainly encourage that (subject to our somewhat limited Mac expertise). Start by looking at http://www.miscdebris.net/plplot_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page. In particular that front page contents gives you access to Mac build instructions and if in addition you use the wiki search box to search for "mac" there are a lot of hits giving you access to Mac build advice which various users have contributed over the years. Thus, I am fairly confident that if you have had any build experience at all on Mac OS X, you should be able to figure out what to do from our wiki, but if you have any additional questions that are not answered there, please ask them here. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); the Time Ephemerides project (timeephem.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.sf.net); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ |
From: Marius S. <msc...@gm...> - 2013-12-29 21:07:04
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Hiro, Alan, As someone who has built plplot outside of MacPorts (see < http://www.hmug.org/pub/MacOS_X/X/Applications/Math/plplot/>), but also uses MacPorts on some machines, I can add a few points: 1) In MacPorts openmaintainer means that the maintainer, in this case takeshi, will let others contribute updates, e.g. submitting an update to version to 5.9.11. 2) I checked the Portfile, and it does include X11 support in the default variant. Do you have XQuartz installed? MacPorts will build what it needs in terms of the development libraries, but you have to install X11 yourself. 3) Don't mix MacPorts and manually installed packages. This does lead to problems down the road. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Alan W. Irwin <ir...@be...>wrote: > On 2013-12-30 00:20+0900 Hiroyasu Yasuda wrote: > > > Dear Plplot Developers; > > > I'v tried to install plplot 5.9.9 into flesh Mac on OSX 10.9 with > latest Macports 2.2.1. Actually installation process has been > succeeded, however installed plplot doesn't have Xwindow driver. Since > this Mac environment can involve Xwindow driver from another Macports > applications, install procedure of the latest plplot with Macports has > some trouble. Please let me know how to solve this trouble. > > Hi Hiro: > > Thanks for your interest in PLplot. > > I note from > http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=library&substr=plplot that > x11 is one of the supported variants. So probably your best > bet is to contact the openmaintainer for that port who > is identified as "takeshi" to see what is wrong with your > macports installation of PLplot. > > However, if you wanted to try a build of PLplot yourself that was > independent of the macports version, and also much newer (we have just > released PLplot-5.9.11), we would certainly encourage that (subject to > our somewhat limited Mac expertise). Start by looking at > http://www.miscdebris.net/plplot_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page. In > particular that front page contents gives you access to Mac build > instructions and if in addition you use the wiki search box to search > for "mac" there are a lot of hits giving you access to Mac build > advice which various users have contributed over the years. Thus, I > am fairly confident that if you have had any build experience at all > on Mac OS X, you should be able to figure out what to do from our > wiki, but if you have any additional questions that are not answered > there, please ask them here. > > Alan > __________________________ > Alan W. Irwin > > Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, > University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). > > Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state > implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); the Time > Ephemerides project (timeephem.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting > software package (plplot.sf.net); the libLASi project > (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); > and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). > __________________________ > > Linux-powered Science > __________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics > Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Plplot-general mailing list > Plp...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plplot-general > -- Marius Schamschula |
From: Hiroyasu Y. <hi...@gs...> - 2013-12-30 04:14:49
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Alan, Marius, Jerry, Thank you for the reply. XQuartz 2.7.5 has been installed. Some applications that were installed with Macports have X11 as one of driver and their output function have been fine. I am going to contact open-maintainer of Plplot and also try to manually install Plplot with wiki. Sincerely, Hiro On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Marius Schamschula <msc...@gm...>wrote: > Hiro, Alan, > > As someone who has built plplot outside of MacPorts (see < > http://www.hmug.org/pub/MacOS_X/X/Applications/Math/plplot/>), but also > uses MacPorts on some machines, I can add a few points: > > 1) In MacPorts openmaintainer means that the maintainer, in this case > takeshi, will let others contribute updates, e.g. submitting an update to > version to 5.9.11. > > 2) I checked the Portfile, and it does include X11 support in the default > variant. Do you have XQuartz installed? MacPorts will build what it needs > in terms of the development libraries, but you have to install X11 yourself. > > 3) Don't mix MacPorts and manually installed packages. This does lead to > problems down the road. > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Alan W. Irwin <ir...@be... > > wrote: > >> On 2013-12-30 00:20+0900 Hiroyasu Yasuda wrote: >> >> > Dear Plplot Developers; >> >> > I'v tried to install plplot 5.9.9 into flesh Mac on OSX 10.9 with >> latest Macports 2.2.1. Actually installation process has been >> succeeded, however installed plplot doesn't have Xwindow driver. Since >> this Mac environment can involve Xwindow driver from another Macports >> applications, install procedure of the latest plplot with Macports has >> some trouble. Please let me know how to solve this trouble. >> >> Hi Hiro: >> >> Thanks for your interest in PLplot. >> >> I note from >> http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=library&substr=plplot that >> x11 is one of the supported variants. So probably your best >> bet is to contact the openmaintainer for that port who >> is identified as "takeshi" to see what is wrong with your >> macports installation of PLplot. >> >> However, if you wanted to try a build of PLplot yourself that was >> independent of the macports version, and also much newer (we have just >> released PLplot-5.9.11), we would certainly encourage that (subject to >> our somewhat limited Mac expertise). Start by looking at >> http://www.miscdebris.net/plplot_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page. In >> particular that front page contents gives you access to Mac build >> instructions and if in addition you use the wiki search box to search >> for "mac" there are a lot of hits giving you access to Mac build >> advice which various users have contributed over the years. Thus, I >> am fairly confident that if you have had any build experience at all >> on Mac OS X, you should be able to figure out what to do from our >> wiki, but if you have any additional questions that are not answered >> there, please ask them here. >> >> Alan >> __________________________ >> Alan W. Irwin >> >> Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and >> Astronomy, >> University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). >> >> Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state >> implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); the Time >> Ephemerides project (timeephem.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting >> software package (plplot.sf.net); the libLASi project >> (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); >> and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). >> __________________________ >> >> Linux-powered Science >> __________________________ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT >> organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance >> affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your >> Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics >> Pro! >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> Plplot-general mailing list >> Plp...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plplot-general >> > > > > -- > Marius Schamschula > Hiroyasu Yasuda Research Center for Natural Hazards & Disaster Recovery Niigata University Ikarashi 2-no-cho, Nishi-ku, Niigata, 950-2181, Japan Phone +81-25-262-7053 Facsimile +81-25-262-7050 E-mail hi...@gs... .´ ̄`. : (` : `. `´ : `・--´ |
From: Arjen M. <Arj...@de...> - 2013-12-30 07:05:16
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Hi Moez, adding "use plplot" to your program is the only requirement. The other module, plf95demolib, merely makes a number of auxiliary routines availalble. One of the things that is different between F77 and F95 is the use of assumed-shape arrays wherever possible. The advantages over the F77 form are: - Less arguments - Less chance of getting the size of the array wrong That said, plline and plpoin in the F95 bindings have the signature: call plline( x, y ) call plpoin( x, y, code ) whereas with the F77 bindings you had: call plline( n, x, y ) call plpoin( n, x, y, code ) (n the number of points to plot) The F95 form requires that the arrays x and y are array whose size is known, either: real x(n) real x(:) ! Note that an asterisk declares an assumed-size array, where the size information is not available directly or in the call: call plline( x(1:n), y(1:n) ) ! Just an example Do you use assumed-size arrays? Then the simplest way out is probably to use the "real x(n)" form, as you need to know the size of the useable part of the array anyhow. There are other possibilities too, see below. (Side note on the evolving language standard: array expressions are helpful to the compiler as it is easier to determine all manner of optimisations, such as vector instructions and parallellisations. In that respect new features in the language standard are very useful. But it is up to the programmer to use these features or not.) What follows is - for the moment - thinking out loud, others will have to agree on this. If you want to help out with the maintenance, we would welcome that. One thing I can imagine is a "transition module", making it easier for people to move from the F77 to the F95 bindings. I do not think we really want to go back to maintaining two separate bindings, however. The transition module I am thinking of could implement the now deprecated F77 API as follows: module plplot_f77 use plplot implicit none interface plline module procedure plline_f77 end interface contains subroutine plline_f77( n, x, y ) integer :: n real(kind=plflt), dimension(n) :: x, y call plline( x, y ) end subroutine plline end module This way you use the module plplot_f77 instead of plplot - that being the only (!) change to your programs, and you get the old-style F77 bindings back. This module would provide an additional set of interfaces, but the main code is still based on F95, so that we have only one code base instead of two. While typing this, I thought of one problem you may encounter. Code like (not uncommon in F77 code): real x(10), y(10) call plline( 9, x(2), y(2) ) would lead to protest from the compiler - x(2) and y(2) are scalars, whereas the routine expects arrays. Such code would have to be changed to: real x(10), y(10) call plline( 9, x(2:), y(2:) ) to instruct the compiler to use the proper array sections. Regards, Arjen From: Moez Kilani [mailto:moe...@gm...] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:54 PM To: Arjen Markus Subject: Re: [Plplot-general] fortran 77 Many thank for the answer Arjen, Indeed I have started using plplot three years ago. I have written some packages for my computations but wasn't aware that you have stopped support for the language. My focus is on the computation itself, not on the programming language. My interest in fortran 77 is its simple syntax and constructs. I know that modern languages have lot new and sophisticated features, but I don't agree to the continuous changes in the standards. I am trying to write a simple code with fortran 95 bindings, without success for the moment. Precisely, I use this compilation command gfortran -o file file.f `pkg-config --cflags --libs plplotd-f95` and the compiler complains that for "plline" and "plpoin" there is no specific subroutine for the generic ... at .. Also in the example programs the module use plf95demolib is used, but cannot see how to install it. Last, I definitely thing that maintaining support for fortran 77 is worthwhile and would give some of my time to help the development team. Is that possible ? Regards and best wishes for 2014 ! Moez 2013/12/27 Arjen Markus <Arj...@de...<mailto:Arj...@de...>> Hello Moez, support for FORTRAN 77 has been deprecated for a coupe of years now. The reason for this is twofold: - All Fortran compilers we know of support Fortran 90/95 and later. So we decided to put our limited resources into the newer standards. The newer standards have a large number of advantages in comparison to FORTRAN 77, such as the use of arrays and array sections and checking the argument lists against the definition. This greatly reduces the number of mistakes you can make. - When this was announced several years ago, we did not receive any complaints. Could you explain in some detail what makes you use FORTRAN 77, instead of FORTRAN 95 or newer? There may be a relatively simple path to using the F95 bindings - you can still use most F77 constructs with an F95 compiler (with the exception of some very old features, F95 is a "superset" of F77, though most compilers will still support all of F77). You would only have to learn a few basic things regarding F95 to continue using PLplot. Regards, Arjen From: Moez Kilani [mailto:moe...@gm...<mailto:moe...@gm...>] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:04 PM To: plplot_general Subject: [Plplot-general] fortran 77 Dear developers, I no longer find the source code for the examples in fortran 77 ! this is my favourite language and I am wondering if will be removed from the list supported languages in plplot ! Moez DISCLAIMER: This message is intended exclusively for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. The foundation 'Stichting Deltares', which has its seat at Delft, The Netherlands, Commercial Registration Number 41146461, is not liable in any way whatsoever for consequences and/or damages resulting from the improper, incomplete and untimely dispatch, receipt and/or content of this e-mail. DISCLAIMER: This message is intended exclusively for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. The foundation 'Stichting Deltares', which has its seat at Delft, The Netherlands, Commercial Registration Number 41146461, is not liable in any way whatsoever for consequences and/or damages resulting from the improper, incomplete and untimely dispatch, receipt and/or content of this e-mail. |