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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-09-25 09:50:05
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Matt Hamilton <ma...@qu...> wrote: > I would say this discussion is straying off the topic of the list now... Yeah it lost my original plone-website cc:, let's continue there if needed? > but, all I will say is that we need to keep it simple, and I think a > *separate* archive site for materials and outputs to the conference would be > best. Something along the lines of the now-defunct plone.tv. As long as the basic information like the talks/programme is (archived as) core Plone content, I think that counts as simple. > The issue with the actual conference sites, is that they often have specific > localisations. This can often be due to payment processing requirements, > co-location with other conferences, language requirements, etc. Yes, I don't think everything should be kept. I actually think keeping each year's site *design* would be a distraction if you're interested in the content. > Also these > sites are build 1 year apart each year. And a lot changes in the Plone world > in that time! Would want to still be working on Plone GetPaid code ;) Often > easier to start from scratch in latest version of Plone, or outsource the > booking stuff to a 3rd party. Yes, the booking stuff should not be kept alive. If it's needed to start from scratch that's fine, but even then the example of last year would be good. And probably there would be modules that can be kept and evolved. > Even video is an issue... when I did the 2010 videos I uploaded them to > Blip.tv as they were the only provider that would accept non-720p resolution > videos but keep them in the native resolution and not transcode them without > losing fidelity of text on the screen. They they suddenly deleted all the > videos as they were no longer part of Blip.tv's future (focusing on soap > operas etc). Yes we have archives of the video, but the metadata has all > been lost and needs to be re-entered somewhere, which is a big and boring > task. I'd say that metadata belongs in Plone.org With https://github.com/collective/wildcard.media/ videos can be added to Plone and automatically uploaded to youtube. Even if we don't use an add-on like wildcard.media, we should be able to (re)apply the metadata and upload to whatever video host is current in a more or less automated way. -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-09-20 07:21:48
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 6:57 PM, T. Kim Nguyen <ng...@pl...> wrote: > Hi Jean - thanks for checking! Indeed, I had copied an old item to start with. Cool ... Is this a misfeature? From a content manager's perspective, I have the feeling that a copy should normally have the date default to the time of the copy. -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-09-20 07:14:17
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Hi Kim > Jean, would disabling the user suffice or are they rejoining under a different email address? I am guessing it'll be hard to modify code, run buildout etc especially given how soon the new Plone.org will be out. This one doesn't seem particularly aggressive, just something to keep in mind for the setup going forward. -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: <ng...@pl...> - 2015-09-18 14:28:18
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Fixed - I corrected the effective date to Sept. 15, 2015 midnight. Shows up correctly in the RSS feed now. Thanks again Jean! Kim > On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:57 AM, T. Kim Nguyen <ng...@pl...> wrote: > > Hi Jean - thanks for checking! Indeed, I had copied an old item to start with. I will see if I can fix this. > > Kim > > On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Jean Jordaan <jea...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi all > > For the latest fix, the date is November 2012. > > > <item rdf:about="https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20150910-announcement"> > <title>Security vulnerability: 20150910 - Multiple vectors</title> > <link>https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20150910-announcement</link> > <description>Patches to Zope and Plone for a variety of > issues.</description> > > <dc:publisher>No publisher</dc:publisher> > <dc:creator></dc:creator> > <dc:rights></dc:rights> > <dc:date>2012-11-06T00:00:00Z</dc:date> > <dc:type>News Item</dc:type> > </item> > > > This is https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/all-advisories/RSS > linked from https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/ > > My first guess would be that this News Item started as a copy of an > existing one? > I guess newsreaders may sort such items incorrectly. > > -- > jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Plone-website mailing list > Plo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website > The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam |
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From: T. K. N. <ng...@pl...> - 2015-09-18 12:40:41
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User deleted and their one remaining spam submission deleted. Hope that does the trick!
Kim
On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:41 AM, Jean Jordaan <jea...@gm...> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Dylan Jay <dj...@pr...> wrote:
>
>> How do we block https://plone.org/author/vishudd ?
>
> Can’t see it as I don’t have permission.
Yes, that's why I'm asking. I can't see either because I don't have
permission either and I don't know who is responsible.
> Block them from doing what?
From submitting site records that are porn spam, five or so today.
I've been deleting the submissions.
> if you want to block them from editing stuff just delete the user right?
Yes, if I had permission, but ideally it would be good if there's some
way to inhibit them just rejoining.
E.g. an email verification step.
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From: T. K. N. <ng...@pl...> - 2015-09-18 12:27:17
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Jean, would disabling the user suffice or are they rejoining under a different email address? I am guessing it'll be hard to modify code, run buildout etc especially given how soon the new Plone.org will be out. Kim On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:41 AM, Jean Jordaan <jea...@gm...> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Dylan Jay <dj...@pr...> wrote: > >> How do we block https://plone.org/author/vishudd ? > > Can’t see it as I don’t have permission. Yes, that's why I'm asking. I can't see either because I don't have permission either and I don't know who is responsible. > Block them from doing what? From submitting site records that are porn spam, five or so today. I've been deleting the submissions. > if you want to block them from editing stuff just delete the user right? Yes, if I had permission, but ideally it would be good if there's some way to inhibit them just rejoining. E.g. an email verification step. -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Plone-website mailing list Plo...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam |
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From: T. K. N. <ng...@pl...> - 2015-09-18 11:57:34
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Hi Jean - thanks for checking! Indeed, I had copied an old item to start with. I will see if I can fix this.
Kim
On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Jean Jordaan <jea...@gm...> wrote:
Hi all
For the latest fix, the date is November 2012.
<item rdf:about="https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20150910-announcement">
<title>Security vulnerability: 20150910 - Multiple vectors</title>
<link>https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20150910-announcement</link>
<description>Patches to Zope and Plone for a variety of
issues.</description>
<dc:publisher>No publisher</dc:publisher>
<dc:creator></dc:creator>
<dc:rights></dc:rights>
<dc:date>2012-11-06T00:00:00Z</dc:date>
<dc:type>News Item</dc:type>
</item>
This is https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/all-advisories/RSS
linked from https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/
My first guess would be that this News Item started as a copy of an
existing one?
I guess newsreaders may sort such items incorrectly.
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-09-18 10:52:20
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Hi all For the latest fix, the date is November 2012. <item rdf:about="https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20150910-announcement"> <title>Security vulnerability: 20150910 - Multiple vectors</title> <link>https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20150910-announcement</link> <description>Patches to Zope and Plone for a variety of issues.</description> <dc:publisher>No publisher</dc:publisher> <dc:creator></dc:creator> <dc:rights></dc:rights> <dc:date>2012-11-06T00:00:00Z</dc:date> <dc:type>News Item</dc:type> </item> This is https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/all-advisories/RSS linked from https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/ My first guess would be that this News Item started as a copy of an existing one? I guess newsreaders may sort such items incorrectly. -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-09-18 08:42:07
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Dylan Jay <dj...@pr...> wrote: > >> How do we block https://plone.org/author/vishudd ? > > Can’t see it as I don’t have permission. Yes, that's why I'm asking. I can't see either because I don't have permission either and I don't know who is responsible. > Block them from doing what? >From submitting site records that are porn spam, five or so today. I've been deleting the submissions. > if you want to block them from editing stuff just delete the user right? Yes, if I had permission, but ideally it would be good if there's some way to inhibit them just rejoining. E.g. an email verification step. -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Dylan J. <dj...@pr...> - 2015-09-18 06:47:35
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> On 18 Sep 2015, at 1:26 pm, Jean Jordaan [via Plone] <ml-...@n2...> wrote: > > Hi there > > How do we block https://plone.org/author/vishudd ? Can’t see it as I don’t have permission. Block them from doing what? registering? if you want to block them from editing stuff just delete the user right? > > -- > jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Plone-website mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website > The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Block-spammer-tp7574200.html > To start a new topic under plone.org Web Site, email ml-...@n2... > To unsubscribe from plone.org Web Site, click here. > NAML -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Block-spammer-tp7574200p7574201.html Sent from the plone.org Web Site mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-09-18 06:26:26
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Hi there How do we block https://plone.org/author/vishudd ? -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-09-14 11:06:47
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Hi all I just wanted to send someone the link to Kim Nguyen's presentation from last year. The 2014 talks are nowhere on plone.org, and 2014.ploneconf.org is now redirecting to 2015.ploneconf.org It would make perfect sense for ploneconf.org and www.ploneconf.org to go to 2015.ploneconf.org, but if I link or browse to 2014.ploneconf.org that means that I meant the conference which took place last year, in 2014. In the end I had to google slideshare.net .. it is some extra effort to switch a conference site to a retrospective mode (make it read-only, remove ticket links), but I think it would be very valuable. For this, the conference site would probably need to be a Plone on the same infrastructure as plone.org ? There is https://plone.org/events/conferences/plone-conference-2014/plone-conference-2014-bristol-uk-1 and https://plone.org/events/conferences/plone-conference-2014/plone-conference-2014-bristol-uk The first is better and the second should be deleted. I'd be happy to help if I have the rights. (They link to http://2014.ploneconf.org/ , unsurprisingly.) Regards, -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-05-28 04:06:08
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On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:13 PM, T. Kim Nguyen <ng...@uw...> wrote: > Would be good to warn them once first? I did send a message with a note and a query via the form at: https://plone.org/author/mekanagaddehomestay -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: T. K. N. <ng...@uw...> - 2015-05-27 12:42:23
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Would be good to warn them once first? Kim On May 27, 2015, at 5:46 AM, Jean Jordaan <jea...@gm...> wrote: https://plone.org/support/sites/mekanagadde-homestay now links to https://plone.org/support/providers/a2-hosting which also lists https://plone.org/support/sites/angel-perez-deejay This looks like a WP site. Should the submitters of these sites lose permission to submit sites? -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Plone-website mailing list Plo...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-05-27 10:46:52
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https://plone.org/support/sites/mekanagadde-homestay now links to https://plone.org/support/providers/a2-hosting which also lists https://plone.org/support/sites/angel-perez-deejay This looks like a WP site. Should the submitters of these sites lose permission to submit sites? -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-05-27 10:08:01
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This is not a Plone site. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: plone.org Administrator <di...@pl...> Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 4:01 PM Subject: [plone.org] Item has been submitted: "Mekanagadde Homestay" To: jea...@gm... Hello, Item "Mekanagadde Homestay" is ready for review. https://plone.org/support/sites/mekanagadde-homestay Regards -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Dylan J. <dj...@pr...> - 2015-04-09 02:21:23
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Or be involved in a monthly call with the marketing team with the plone.com effort in particular to help give perspective that plone should not be targeting the enterprise market as it requires high salesmanship and anyway the enterprise market is looking to wordpress as its simple and well supported. On 9 Apr 2015 09:02, "Dylan Jay" <dj...@pr...> wrote: > Hi, > > We are all doing it hard. Ultimately the best form of marketing is a > product that is more useful to more people so they recommend it to others. > Its not so hard to restructure business to ensure that solving customer > problems is not solved using customer specific code. Instead we > deliberately decided where possible we are changing core plone, adding > features to other plugins or creating new generic plugins even if it means > the cost is twice as much, in an attempt to make plone more useful. Its not > so hard to do. > Asko is attempting to improve the theming story so they come with prebuilt > content more like WordPress themes you get out of theme forest. > Contributing themes and testing to this effort would also help make plone > more competitive with WordPress. > On 9 Apr 2015 07:54, "beams [via Plone]" <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573587&i=0>> wrote: > >> Dylan, >> I spent many years supporting the Zope community in the early days, >> mostly thought help contributions in the lists. I attended sprints. I was a >> contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zope Foundation. Ive >> released several open source products in the past. And I do all I can to >> promote Plone generally. >> >> Im doing what I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open >> source conferences and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our >> business changed about 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances >> to be more active. Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you >> develop and the general promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely >> wish I was in a position to do the same. I do regret that and Im very >> aware of it. >> >> I am always looking for new clients to convert to Plone and its certainly >> not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you feel that way. >> >> To everyone in the community, Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the >> past few weeks Ive contacted quite a few. Ive found some new contacts in >> the Plone community and chatted and shared experiences and ideas. Ive found >> a quite a few site owners who were doing it alone and are in need of help. >> Ive found a frightening number of sites moving away from Plone. And Ive had >> a just a two angry responses. >> >> Please accept my apologies. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <[hidden email] >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=0>> wrote: >> >>> Tom, >>> I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years >>> you have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone >>> marketing. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies >>> support. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for >>> more marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software >>> you have built your business on. >>> The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach >>> your competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. >>> On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron" <[hidden email] >>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=1>> wrote: >>> >>>> Phil, >>>> >>>> In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how >>>>> would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? >>>> >>>> >>>> Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system >>>> instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing. >>>> >>>> The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so >>>> much time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a >>>> solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the >>>> likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior >>>> technology. >>>> >>>> And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away >>>> from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there >>>> is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put >>>> their faith in a technology that nobody users. >>>> >>>> If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they >>>> would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may >>>> keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to >>>> have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they >>>> are on a sinking ship. >>>> >>>> Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish >>>> you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we >>>> needed so we have moved to WordPress". >>>> >>>> If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty >>>> certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT >>>> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard >>>> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live >>>> exercises >>>> http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- >>>> event?utm_ >>>> source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Plone-website mailing list >>>> [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=2> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website >>>> The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT >> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard >> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live >> exercises >> http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- event?utm_ >> >> source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF >> _______________________________________________ >> Plone-website mailing list >> [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=3> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website >> The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam >> >> ------------------------------ >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the >> discussion below: >> http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Mooball-IT-tp7573559p7573586.html >> To start a new topic under plone.org Web Site, email [hidden email] >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573587&i=1> >> To unsubscribe from plone.org Web Site, click here. >> NAML >> <http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> >> > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Mooball IT > <http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Mooball-IT-tp7573559p7573587.html> > Sent from the plone.org Web Site mailing list archive > <http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/plone-org-Web-Site-f293363.html> at > Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT > Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard > Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live > exercises > http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- > event?utm_ > source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF > _______________________________________________ > Plone-website mailing list > Plo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website > The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam > |
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From: Dylan J. <dj...@pr...> - 2015-04-09 02:02:15
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Hi, We are all doing it hard. Ultimately the best form of marketing is a product that is more useful to more people so they recommend it to others. Its not so hard to restructure business to ensure that solving customer problems is not solved using customer specific code. Instead we deliberately decided where possible we are changing core plone, adding features to other plugins or creating new generic plugins even if it means the cost is twice as much, in an attempt to make plone more useful. Its not so hard to do. Asko is attempting to improve the theming story so they come with prebuilt content more like WordPress themes you get out of theme forest. Contributing themes and testing to this effort would also help make plone more competitive with WordPress. On 9 Apr 2015 07:54, "beams [via Plone]" < ml-...@n2...> wrote: > Dylan, > I spent many years supporting the Zope community in the early days, mostly > thought help contributions in the lists. I attended sprints. I was a > contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zope Foundation. Ive > released several open source products in the past. And I do all I can to > promote Plone generally. > > Im doing what I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open > source conferences and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our > business changed about 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances > to be more active. Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you > develop and the general promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely > wish I was in a position to do the same. I do regret that and Im very > aware of it. > > I am always looking for new clients to convert to Plone and its certainly > not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you feel that way. > > To everyone in the community, Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the > past few weeks Ive contacted quite a few. Ive found some new contacts in > the Plone community and chatted and shared experiences and ideas. Ive found > a quite a few site owners who were doing it alone and are in need of help. > Ive found a frightening number of sites moving away from Plone. And Ive had > a just a two angry responses. > > Please accept my apologies. > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=0>> wrote: > >> Tom, >> I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years >> you have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone >> marketing. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies >> support. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for >> more marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software >> you have built your business on. >> The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach >> your competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. >> On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron" <[hidden email] >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=1>> wrote: >> >>> Phil, >>> >>> In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how >>>> would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? >>> >>> >>> Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system >>> instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing. >>> >>> The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much >>> time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a >>> solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the >>> likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior >>> technology. >>> >>> And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away >>> from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there >>> is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put >>> their faith in a technology that nobody users. >>> >>> If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they >>> would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may >>> keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to >>> have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they >>> are on a sinking ship. >>> >>> Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish >>> you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we >>> needed so we have moved to WordPress". >>> >>> If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty >>> certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time. >>> >>> -- >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT >>> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard >>> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live >>> exercises >>> http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- >>> event?utm_ >>> source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plone-website mailing list >>> [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=2> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website >>> The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT > Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard > Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live > exercises > http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- event?utm_ > > source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF > _______________________________________________ > Plone-website mailing list > [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=3> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website > The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Mooball-IT-tp7573559p7573586.html > To start a new topic under plone.org Web Site, email > ml-...@n2... > To unsubscribe from plone.org Web Site, click here > <http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=293363&code=ZGpheUBwcmV0YXdlYi5jb218MjkzMzYzfDU2Nzg1MjY3NQ==> > . > NAML > <http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Mooball-IT-tp7573559p7573587.html Sent from the plone.org Web Site mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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From: Tom C. <to...@mo...> - 2015-04-09 00:53:58
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Dylan, I spent many years supporting the Zope community in the early days, mostly thought help contributions in the lists. I attended sprints. I was a contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zope Foundation. Ive released several open source products in the past. And I do all I can to promote Plone generally. Im doing what I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open source conferences and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our business changed about 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances to be more active. Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you develop and the general promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely wish I was in a position to do the same. I do regret that and Im very aware of it. I am always looking for new clients to convert to Plone and its certainly not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you feel that way. To everyone in the community, Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the past few weeks Ive contacted quite a few. Ive found some new contacts in the Plone community and chatted and shared experiences and ideas. Ive found a quite a few site owners who were doing it alone and are in need of help. Ive found a frightening number of sites moving away from Plone. And Ive had a just a two angry responses. Please accept my apologies. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <dj...@pr...> wrote: > Tom, > I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years > you have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone > marketing. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies > support. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for > more marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software > you have built your business on. > The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach > your competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. > On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron" <to...@mo...> wrote: > >> Phil, >> >> In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how >>> would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? >> >> >> Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system >> instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing. >> >> The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much >> time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a >> solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the >> likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior >> technology. >> >> And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away >> from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there >> is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put >> their faith in a technology that nobody users. >> >> If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they >> would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may >> keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to >> have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they >> are on a sinking ship. >> >> Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish >> you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we >> needed so we have moved to WordPress". >> >> If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty >> certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time. >> >> -- >> Tom >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT >> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard >> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live >> exercises >> http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- >> event?utm_ >> source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF >> _______________________________________________ >> Plone-website mailing list >> Plo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website >> The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam >> > |
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From: Dylan J. <dj...@pr...> - 2015-04-09 00:18:19
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Tom, I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years you have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone marketing. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies support. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for more marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software you have built your business on. The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach your competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron" <to...@mo...> wrote: > Phil, > > In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how would >> the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? > > > Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system > instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing. > > The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much > time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a > solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the > likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior > technology. > > And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away > from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there > is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put > their faith in a technology that nobody users. > > If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they > would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may > keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to > have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they > are on a sinking ship. > > Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish > you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we > needed so we have moved to WordPress". > > If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty > certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time. > > -- > Tom > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT > Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard > Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live > exercises > http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- > event?utm_ > source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF > _______________________________________________ > Plone-website mailing list > Plo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website > The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam > |
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From: Tom C. <to...@mo...> - 2015-04-09 00:02:43
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Phil, In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how would > the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing. The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior technology. And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put their faith in a technology that nobody users. If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they are on a sinking ship. Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we needed so we have moved to WordPress". If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time. -- Tom |
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From: Philip K. <ph...@xf...> - 2015-04-07 08:19:56
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Hi Tom, On 07/04/15 08:08, Tom Cameron wrote: > Im not using a mailing list, and Im not using any automated software. Im > only emailing addresses that are published openly for contact. > The multiple identical copies of your message came in over a very short period of time, into multiple mailboxes, all via the site contact form. None had any form of personalisation, and given the very short interval between messages from unrelated sites on different servers, it appeared to me that someone had created a directory of Plone sites and was automatically submitting the forms. > I went to some trouble to familiarise myself with the Australian Spam > Act before I did this, and Im certain what Im doing does not classify as > Spam according to that Act. > That may be so, but the generally accepted definition involves *bulk*, *unsolicited*, *commercial* messages, and that seemed to be what I was getting. > I run a business, I need to pay wages and Im proud of the fact that we > use and promote Plone. Im reaching out to see if anyone needs extra help > and to connect with other Plone users too. > Likewise. > Most of those who Ive contacted have been supportive and understanding. > > Non the less, Im genuinely sorry if that offends anyone. > Have you had any other feedback from people who had received multiple copies of your message? If I had received one, I would have been perfectly happy, but when I started seeing multiple copies coming in, that was an issue for me. If you've managed to inadvertently contact me multiple times via unrelated sites on unrelated servers, I can only think that (a) I'm not the only person in this position, and (b) you must have sent out an awful lot of messages. Needless to say, I have only seen the messages where I am the target of the site contact form - I suspect that my clients have seen rather more. > One note too that I feel I should share: a large number of people are > telling me that they are moving from Plone to WordPress (and some to > Drupal). I am seeing significant attrition and its very concerning. To > some extent I wish I had done this earlier as I might have convinced > some to remain on Plone. Most are telling me that its just too difficult > to support or find decent support. I hope I might at least convince some > to stay. > Again, likewise - many of us are probably wrestling with this. In fact one of the sites that you targeted me via is in just that situation. I'm not sure that giving my client the impression that they are in need of help purely because they use Plone, and that they have to go to the other side of the world to find that help, is going to help me win that client back for Plone. I'm not sure that targeting sites based purely on the fact that they are using Plone is wise, and sending a completely generic message via the contact form certainly isn't. You say above that as well as prospecting for work you are attempting to contact other Plone users. Perhaps you could adapt your message to provide some links back to the community as well as your own business - inevitably given your approach you will be contacting an awful lot of people who are not especially likely to take up your offer directly, so that seems to be an opportunity to get them to engage more with Plone and the community at large. In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? -- Regards, PhilK e: ph...@xf... - m: 07775 796 747 'a bell is a cup...until it is struck' |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-04-07 04:28:01
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Philip Kilner <ph...@xf...> wrote: > I am currently being spammed by an outfit called Mooball IT: - > > https://plone.org/support/providers/mooball-it > > ...who appear to be sending automated unsolicited commercial email via > the feedback form of every Plone site I host. Freaky! Sounds like some hackery might be going on. Tom? -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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From: Philip K. <ph...@xf...> - 2015-04-06 11:02:11
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Hi All, I am currently being spammed by an outfit called Mooball IT: - https://plone.org/support/providers/mooball-it ...who appear to be sending automated unsolicited commercial email via the feedback form of every Plone site I host. 1. Is anyone else seeing this? 2. Is this unnacceptable and antisocial behavour sufficient to get them de-listed from the list of Plone solution providers? Not happy. -- Regards, PhilK e: ph...@xf... - m: 07775 796 747 'a bell is a cup...until it is struck' |
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From: Jean J. <jea...@gm...> - 2015-03-16 03:52:28
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This looks like a duplicate of https://plone.org/support/sites/ecuador-homes-and-land Following up with submitter. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:48 AM, plone.org Administrator <di...@pl...> wrote: > Hello, > > Item "Ecuador Homes and Land" is ready for review. > > https://plone.org/support/sites/ecuador-homes-and-land-1 > > Regards -- jean . .. .... //\\\oo///\\ |
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