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From: Dylan J. <dy...@dy...> - 2010-11-02 23:16:46
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On 03/11/2010, at 6:03 AM, Mikko Ohtamaa <mik...@re...> wrote: > Hi all, > > Jörg was asking in the conference to get discussion back to the > developers docs, as for example php.net the discussion is very active > and the you can easily find ready made recipes for your problems. We Actually from memory there was a deliberate decision to take away comments because they were a big source of out of date information. They'd need active curation by someone who doesn't exist. The alternative was to create the knowledgebase which is open editing so people are encouraged to add and edit. The developer manual is also open to be edited via the collective. Shouldn't we encourage this over half thought out comments? > also discussed shortly with Timo should we use plone.app.discussion or > Disqus for this. > > Now someone has set us an example to go forward: > > http://www.zodb.org/zodbbook/ > > -- > Mikko Ohtamaa > mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. > > Web site - http://mfabrik.com > Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi > Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Plone-docs mailing list > Plo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-docs |
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From: Alan R. <ru...@gm...> - 2010-11-02 20:11:21
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> Jörg was asking in the conference to get discussion back to the > developers docs, as for example php.net the discussion is very active > and the you can easily find ready made recipes for your problems. We > also discussed shortly with Timo should we use plone.app.discussion or > Disqus for this. > > Now someone has set us an example to go forward: > > http://www.zodb.org/zodbbook/ +1 to sphinx/disqus approach. if plone.app.discussion provides a UI like disqus then maybe we could move to that. but until there is: - ReST API / HTML/JS integration - Comment moderation UI - Ability to use p.a.d outside of Plone stack (i.e. from Sphinx); I believe the sphinx+disqus approach is best, for now. now plone.app.discussion can BEAT disqus in features and ease of integration ;-) they have a target. timmo and crew are smart. lets see if they can change ppl mind. competition is good. alan |
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From: Mikko O. <mik...@re...> - 2010-11-02 19:03:29
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Hi all, Jörg was asking in the conference to get discussion back to the developers docs, as for example php.net the discussion is very active and the you can easily find ready made recipes for your problems. We also discussed shortly with Timo should we use plone.app.discussion or Disqus for this. Now someone has set us an example to go forward: http://www.zodb.org/zodbbook/ -- Mikko Ohtamaa mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. Web site - http://mfabrik.com Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-10-31 00:20:20
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Hello plonistas, Clayton, Nicolas, Mikko and I have been working hard and already have the Buildout, Indexing and Searching, Formlib, Portlets and PAS sections migrated to the Plone Community Developer Manual (aka collective.developermanual). Mikko has already managed to solve a minor problem we had with the ".html" links extension and will work on the automatic pushes issues. Thanks everyone for the hard work! We're thinking of licensing the contents of the Community Developer Manual under a CreativeCommons-BY license and declare the "Plone Developers Community" or similar, like the Zope2 Book (http://docs.zope.org/zope2/zope2book/) is. This docs would include material from a lot of authors (and contributors) so we thought that a kind of global ownership for all the development documentation would be best, instead of trying to specify who wrote each doc. Ideas? -- israel |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-10-30 17:04:50
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Hey, Nicolas Vasseur has been working on a cleaner plone.org/documentation page. Please check: http://plone.org/documentation/helpcenter_ploneorg2 and tell us what you think. We want something clean and simple, pointing to our best manuals, as agreed before, and with links to other sections like the KB, error reference, faqs... Any comments appreciated! -- israel |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-10-29 17:05:43
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Helloes, Daniel Jowett, Mikko, Dylan Jay, I and other crazy people have been discussing about documentation during an open session at the conf and have come up with the following list of ideas/tasks to work on tomorrow: http://piratepad.net/SEeqszgjk0 Anyone interested (specially Anne!) please join us at #plone, #plone-docs or similar, or drop us a line here in the mailing list. Regards from Bristol, -- israel |
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From: Raphael R. <r....@bi...> - 2010-10-07 12:59:30
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Alan Runyan wrote: > does anyone know anything about this book? > > CMS Security Handbook: The Comprehensive Guide for WordPress, Joomla, > Drupal, and Plone - Paperback (Mar. 22, 2011) by Tom Canavan Maybe someone could request a an evaluation copy from http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470916214.html Raphael > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 14:42:53
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On 05/10/10 16:29, Alan Runyan wrote: > does anyone know anything about this book? > > CMS Security Handbook: The Comprehensive Guide for WordPress, Joomla, > Drupal, and Plone - Paperback (Mar. 22, 2011) by Tom Canavan Never heard a word about it before. :S -- israel |
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From: Alan R. <ru...@gm...> - 2010-10-05 14:30:10
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does anyone know anything about this book? CMS Security Handbook: The Comprehensive Guide for WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, and Plone - Paperback (Mar. 22, 2011) by Tom Canavan |
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From: Raphael R. <r....@bi...> - 2010-09-28 13:17:49
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Mikko Ohtamaa wrote: > Hi, Hi Mikko, great effort. Thanks for tackling that. When I tried to do something similar to this a couple of years ago I came as far as http://www.zopyx.de/downloads/documentation/mysite.pdf At least for the AT way of modeling content I think a lot from there still applies. I don't want to advertise it as it is completely missing the "modern" way of doing things - simply because that was not available at the time. Still, it might provide you with some pointers as to what to cover, etc. Good luck, Raphael > > I am writing a tutorial how to write your first Plone add-on. Unlike the > other material out there, this tutorial should explain *every* step what it > takes from a vanilla Plone install to run your custom form which stores > something in the database. The highlight is on the fact "how things work > together" and should give a novice 1) idea why things are done like they are > done 2) motivation to work on Plone, as there finally is a tutorial which > will let you get something accomplished. The tutorial should go par with > Django "first" tutorial and other web framework tutorials - how to get > something accomplished with your framework. > > The tutorial is going on here: > > https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/collective.developermanual/trunk/source/tutorials/addon.txt > > I have listed some topics which must be covered and started to write from > the start. > If you feel you have (just) learned Plone and want to share your > information, now would be the good time. > > Just pick any part of the tutorial and fill in the missing info. > > How to update the developer manual: > > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/introduction/writing > > ----- > Mikko Ohtamaa > mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. > > Web site - http://mfabrik.com > Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi > Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com |
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From: Dylan J. <dy...@dy...> - 2010-09-28 00:57:51
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On 28/09/2010, at 7:01 AM, Mikko Ohtamaa wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just got these notes from a friend who tried to learn Plone. I will > record > them here for the future purposes. I really relate to the list of items below being whats missing. I did a talk a few months back where I tried to explain plone to python programmers in about 30min. It actually went really well. I just uploaded the slides. I've been meaning to turn them into an overview section of the developer manual. http://www.slideshare.net/djay/plone-for-python-programmers http://pyconau.blip.tv/file/3841055 I think the hello world approach worked well and I think explaining traversal and basic zope concepts right up front really important. I think explaining the levels of customisation was really important but I could have done it better. One thing I would have added is actually basic ZODB concepts not because I think people use them often but because it gives more context (and because I've come across developers who avoid pure zodb programming for no apparent reason other than they don't seem to understand it). > > > What I'd like to see covered is: > * what is the relationship between Plone and Zope > * to what extent can bare Zope be used in Plone > * how does Plone handle an incoming request (is this called > acquisition?) - > compare this: http://web2py.com/book/default/chapter/04#Dispatching > (and if > it's just Zope, then a pointer to the Zope details). > * what is registration, why and how. > * interfaces (I actually have an idea about interfaces from java, > but the > concept should be in a beginners tute) > * what are main add ons that people use/recommend (eg z3c.form etc) > and what > they're good for > * what parts of plone are now bad practice and should be avoided. > * tools like Clouseau and DocFinderTab. > > While I think details on ZopeSkel, paster etc are important, they > can have > (and do have) stand alone tutorials. I'd rather have something that > explains > how the pieces fit together conceptually. > > ----- > Mikko Ohtamaa > mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. > > Web site - http://mfabrik.com > Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi > Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com > -- > View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Dev-documentation-feedback-tp5576907p5576907.html > Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances > and start using them to simplify application deployment and > accelerate your shift to cloud computing. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Plone-docs mailing list > Plo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-docs |
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From: Mikko O. <mik...@re...> - 2010-09-27 21:45:33
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Hi, I am writing a tutorial how to write your first Plone add-on. Unlike the other material out there, this tutorial should explain *every* step what it takes from a vanilla Plone install to run your custom form which stores something in the database. The highlight is on the fact "how things work together" and should give a novice 1) idea why things are done like they are done 2) motivation to work on Plone, as there finally is a tutorial which will let you get something accomplished. The tutorial should go par with Django "first" tutorial and other web framework tutorials - how to get something accomplished with your framework. The tutorial is going on here: https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/collective.developermanual/trunk/source/tutorials/addon.txt I have listed some topics which must be covered and started to write from the start. If you feel you have (just) learned Plone and want to share your information, now would be the good time. Just pick any part of the tutorial and fill in the missing info. How to update the developer manual: http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/introduction/writing ----- Mikko Ohtamaa mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. Web site - http://mfabrik.com Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Call-for-editors-a-complete-how-to-make-your-custom-form-Plone-tutorial-tp5577079p5577079.html Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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From: Mikko O. <mik...@re...> - 2010-09-27 21:18:50
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Some more: > I looked up BrowserView. I can't parse large parts of the tutorial: > http://plone.org/documentation/kb/five-zope3-walkthrough/browser-view-1 ----- Mikko Ohtamaa mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. Web site - http://mfabrik.com Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Dev-documentation-feedback-tp5576907p5576987.html Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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From: Mikko O. <mik...@re...> - 2010-09-27 21:01:32
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Hi all, Just got these notes from a friend who tried to learn Plone. I will record them here for the future purposes. What I'd like to see covered is: * what is the relationship between Plone and Zope * to what extent can bare Zope be used in Plone * how does Plone handle an incoming request (is this called acquisition?) - compare this: http://web2py.com/book/default/chapter/04#Dispatching (and if it's just Zope, then a pointer to the Zope details). * what is registration, why and how. * interfaces (I actually have an idea about interfaces from java, but the concept should be in a beginners tute) * what are main add ons that people use/recommend (eg z3c.form etc) and what they're good for * what parts of plone are now bad practice and should be avoided. * tools like Clouseau and DocFinderTab. While I think details on ZopeSkel, paster etc are important, they can have (and do have) stand alone tutorials. I'd rather have something that explains how the pieces fit together conceptually. ----- Mikko Ohtamaa mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. Web site - http://mfabrik.com Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Dev-documentation-feedback-tp5576907p5576907.html Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-09-21 09:56:48
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On 19/09/10 18:14, Raphael Ritz wrote: > On 9/18/10 10:12 PM, Benedek Zoltan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I tried to follow the link to 'The MySite tutorial' on: >> http://plone.org/documentation/kb/read-documentation section: I want to >> build new add-on products for Plone. >> The link leads to the German Neuroinformatics Node, it's a nice portal >> built in Plone, but I cannot find any tutorial there. May be they have a >> tutorial elsewhere. >> Should I write to their site admin or do we plan to take off this link? > > Note that my tutorial is ages old by now. > While the text itself is still available form > Andreas' site > > http://www.zopyx.de/downloads/documentation/mysite.pdf > > I'm hesitant to release the code again as there are > better means now to get started, e.g. the code templates > provided by ZopeSkel. > > And to your last question: there is no point in writing > to the neuroinf.de - I have been "abusing" that by the time > but they don't have that stuff even after I left years ago, > so it is probably best to remove the link from plone.org. Removed! -- israel |
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From: Raphael R. <r....@bi...> - 2010-09-19 16:14:44
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On 9/18/10 10:12 PM, Benedek Zoltan wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to follow the link to 'The MySite tutorial' on: > http://plone.org/documentation/kb/read-documentation section: I want to > build new add-on products for Plone. > The link leads to the German Neuroinformatics Node, it's a nice portal > built in Plone, but I cannot find any tutorial there. May be they have a > tutorial elsewhere. > Should I write to their site admin or do we plan to take off this link? Note that my tutorial is ages old by now. While the text itself is still available form Andreas' site http://www.zopyx.de/downloads/documentation/mysite.pdf I'm hesitant to release the code again as there are better means now to get started, e.g. the code templates provided by ZopeSkel. And to your last question: there is no point in writing to the neuroinf.de - I have been "abusing" that by the time but they don't have that stuff even after I left years ago, so it is probably best to remove the link from plone.org. Raphael > > Zoli > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances > and start using them to simplify application deployment and > accelerate your shift to cloud computing. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plone-docs mailing list > Plo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-docs |
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From: Benedek Z. <ben...@ya...> - 2010-09-18 20:12:34
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Hi, I tried to follow the link to 'The MySite tutorial' on: http://plone.org/documentation/kb/read-documentation section: I want to build new add-on products for Plone. The link leads to the German Neuroinformatics Node, it's a nice portal built in Plone, but I cannot find any tutorial there. May be they have a tutorial elsewhere. Should I write to their site admin or do we plan to take off this link? Zoli |
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From: Vincent F. <vin...@gm...> - 2010-09-18 13:55:08
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2010/9/16 Israel Saeta Pérez <duk...@gm...>: > On 14/09/10 08:51, Vincent Fretin wrote: >> Oh, and does somebody know what happened to >> >> http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/language-specific-terms >> http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n >> >> ? >> >> I have those links in PloneTranslations/README.txt >> >> My guess is it served PloneTranslations/docs/term-*.txt and >> PloneTranslations/TRANSLATORS.html >> I don't know how it was updated to plone.org though. >> >> I think I will move this stuff to the developer manual, in the l10n chapter. > > > No idea, the closest thing I know about is > http://plone.org/team/i18nTeam > > You might better ask Alex Clark or Limi. :) How do we appear in this list? How can we update it? For now, I find this list pretty useless, because you don't know what language the person are in charge of. This list and the list at https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/PloneTranslations/trunk/TRANSLATORS.html should be merged and updated. Vincent |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-09-18 11:47:24
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Hi Vincent, 2010/9/18 Vincent Fretin <vin...@gm...> > 2010/9/16 Israel Saeta Pérez <duk...@gm...>: > > Hi Vincent, > > > > On 14/09/10 08:46, Vincent Fretin wrote: > >> Is there a way to do a link in Internationalization+and+Localization > >> to the developer manual? > >> > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/i18n > >> > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/l10n > > > > > > > > What I have done is I created a howto with the i18n+l10n subject and > > marked it as "start here": > > > > > http://plone.org/documentation/kb/internationalization-and-localization-developer-documentation > > It seems I don't have the permission to view this unpublished howto, > but the idea looks good to me. > Plone gives me > We’re sorry, but there seems to be an error… > Very strange. > > Yes, I don't get the error when I'm logged in. The traceback is related to some portlet: http://pastebin.ca/1943435 . I don't know why the context is not an extension class instance when not logged in... Anyway, I've granted the reader role to all people in the documentation team to plone.org/documentation/kb. > > > > > This will make it appear at the top of the list when browsing > > > http://plone.org/documentation/topic/Internationalization+and+Localization > > > > Let me know when the associated links are ready so I should publish the > > howto. > > > > > > BTW why did you decide to place the docs in the community developer > > documentation instead of in plone.org/documentation/manual ? > > I am most productive using Sphinx and svn than writing the doc > directly to PloneHelpCenter. :) > > > There is a bug with the next link when you are in a second level doc > For example > > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/developer-manual/internationalization-i18n-and-localization-l10n/introduction > The next link is itself instead of "Language negotiation". > > There's a bug in the next/previous implementation in PHC 4 I have not had the time (or rather the energy) to fix yet: http://plone.org/products/plonehelpcenter/issues/154 It was working in Plone 3 but it stopped working in Plone 4 after the merge, and I didn't manage to figure out why. Any help is appreciated! > > In https://dev.plone.org/plone.org/wiki/SubversionAccess > can you change "set the ticket type to *request*" by "set the ticket > type to *administrative request*" > Done! -- israel |
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From: Mikko O. <mik...@re...> - 2010-09-18 10:14:37
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Vincent Fretin wrote: > > > I am most productive using Sphinx and svn than writing the doc > directly to PloneHelpCenter. :) > > If you need it, we can add more Sphinx + SVN manuals on plone.org and products area. collective.developermanual does not need to be the only one, as in theory we can push Sphinx content to any Plone site using any content types. ----- Mikko Ohtamaa mFabrik - Freedom Delivered. Web site - http://mfabrik.com Mobile site - http://mfabrik.mobi Blog - http://blog.mfabrik.com -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/l10n-plone-org-subdomain-tp5529099p5545458.html Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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From: Vincent F. <vin...@gm...> - 2010-09-18 10:08:26
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2010/9/16 Israel Saeta Pérez <duk...@gm...>: > Hi Vincent, > > On 14/09/10 08:46, Vincent Fretin wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I asked a l10n.plone.org domain with a redirection to >> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/l10n >> (http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/11103) > > Good. > > >> I created a l10n directory in developer-manual. For now, we have >> https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/collective.developermanual/trunk/source/l10n/contribute_to_translations.txt >> >> The idea is to have a central point for translators. >> (To fix http://dev.plone.org/plone.org/ticket/1963) >> >> I want to move some existing documentation (if it's too old, I will >> rewrite it completely) from >> http://plone.org/documentation/topic/Internationalization+and+Localization >> to >> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/l10n >> >> Is there a way to do a link in Internationalization+and+Localization >> to the developer manual? >> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/i18n >> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/l10n > > > > What I have done is I created a howto with the i18n+l10n subject and > marked it as "start here": > > http://plone.org/documentation/kb/internationalization-and-localization-developer-documentation It seems I don't have the permission to view this unpublished howto, but the idea looks good to me. Plone gives me We’re sorry, but there seems to be an error… Very strange. > > > This will make it appear at the top of the list when browsing > http://plone.org/documentation/topic/Internationalization+and+Localization > > Let me know when the associated links are ready so I should publish the > howto. > > > BTW why did you decide to place the docs in the community developer > documentation instead of in plone.org/documentation/manual ? I am most productive using Sphinx and svn than writing the doc directly to PloneHelpCenter. :) There is a bug with the next link when you are in a second level doc For example http://plone.org/documentation/manual/developer-manual/internationalization-i18n-and-localization-l10n/introduction The next link is itself instead of "Language negotiation". In https://dev.plone.org/plone.org/wiki/SubversionAccess can you change "set the ticket type to *request*" by "set the ticket type to *administrative request*" Thanks Vincent |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-09-16 08:45:16
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On 14/09/10 08:51, Vincent Fretin wrote: > Oh, and does somebody know what happened to > > http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/language-specific-terms > http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n > > ? > > I have those links in PloneTranslations/README.txt > > My guess is it served PloneTranslations/docs/term-*.txt and > PloneTranslations/TRANSLATORS.html > I don't know how it was updated to plone.org though. > > I think I will move this stuff to the developer manual, in the l10n chapter. No idea, the closest thing I know about is http://plone.org/team/i18nTeam You might better ask Alex Clark or Limi. :) -- israel |
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From: Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...> - 2010-09-16 08:43:02
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Hi Vincent, On 14/09/10 08:46, Vincent Fretin wrote: > Hi, > > I asked a l10n.plone.org domain with a redirection to > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/l10n > (http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/11103) Good. > I created a l10n directory in developer-manual. For now, we have > https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/collective.developermanual/trunk/source/l10n/contribute_to_translations.txt > > The idea is to have a central point for translators. > (To fix http://dev.plone.org/plone.org/ticket/1963) > > I want to move some existing documentation (if it's too old, I will > rewrite it completely) from > http://plone.org/documentation/topic/Internationalization+and+Localization > to > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/l10n > > Is there a way to do a link in Internationalization+and+Localization > to the developer manual? > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/i18n > http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-community-developer-documentation/l10n What I have done is I created a howto with the i18n+l10n subject and marked it as "start here": http://plone.org/documentation/kb/internationalization-and-localization-developer-documentation This will make it appear at the top of the list when browsing http://plone.org/documentation/topic/Internationalization+and+Localization Let me know when the associated links are ready so I should publish the howto. BTW why did you decide to place the docs in the community developer documentation instead of in plone.org/documentation/manual ? -- israel |
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From: Vincent F. <vin...@gm...> - 2010-09-14 06:51:58
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Oh, and does somebody know what happened to http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/language-specific-terms http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n ? I have those links in PloneTranslations/README.txt My guess is it served PloneTranslations/docs/term-*.txt and PloneTranslations/TRANSLATORS.html I don't know how it was updated to plone.org though. I think I will move this stuff to the developer manual, in the l10n chapter. Vincent |
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