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From: Oliver G. <oli...@we...> - 2001-11-09 22:27:38
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Chalain Marc wrote:
> What do you think about that? I agree with Hans, but I promised some
features and i don't know what will think the users.
> Salut,
> Marc.
>
I think Hans' idea is good. That way the regular user could
benefit from the new features that are already stable.
I don't think that anyone would be upset that a feature
that was announced for release 0.3.3 isn't implemented
yet.
Cheers,
Oliver
--
Oliver Goetz, mailto:oli...@we...
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
Sinners are much more fun... And only the good die young"
-- Billy Joel
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From: Oliver G. <oli...@we...> - 2001-11-09 22:26:55
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Hans Ajiet Holtkamp wrote:
> I am not sure what a conduit is, but if
> you are referring to an Access/Excel
As far as I understand it, a conduit is a piece of
software that manages the synchronization of data
when a Palm is synced with the desktop computer
(loke AvantGo Connect for example).
The Palm desktop software does this for the built-in
applications of the Palm (Calendar, Address Book, etc.),
but for proprietary software this synchronization
ability has to be provided as such a conduit.
Of course the DB databases are already synched to
the Backup directory on the PC if they have been
changed, but by default the syncing software can
only do that for a whole database because it has
no knowlegde about the data inside it.
The tricky part for such a conduit would be to
manage the synchronization on a per-record basis,
so that you can modify records on the Palm as
well as on the desktop database application.
The data of these two modified databases would
then have to be merged together to represent
the changes that were made on either side.
This could only be done if the conduit had a means
to decide which records have been changed on
Palm or on Desktop side, and in case the same
record has been changed on both sides, which is
the valid version (this can be very tricky, because
one can think of different scenarios where
different strategies could be applied).
Personally, I'd rather see something more generic
than an Access conduit, simply because I don't use
Access. But I'm not sure how such a solution could
look like. Maybe something that can use CSV-Files
on the PC side or a Java based conduit which would
allow to use JDBC to connect to any relational
database rather than a proprietory solution which
only works on one specific database system.
(Or maybe ODBC could be used for database access
on the desktop computer).
Cheers,
Oliver
--
Oliver Goetz, mailto:oli...@we...
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
Sinners are much more fun... And only the good die young"
-- Billy Joel
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From: <jbe...@le...> - 2001-11-09 20:19:15
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Hans, I have not used the Link field extensively, but the float and list fields *do* seem stable to me. I think that the calculated fields still need work, and I would not wish to see a released version that included the calculated fields in their present state of development. (Sorry for the confusion about this.) -James Bernsen ajiet.holtkamp%t-o...@in... (Hans Ajiet Holtkamp) on 11/09/2001 02:51:22 PM Please respond to ajiet.holtkamp%t-o...@in... To: pilot-db-list%lis...@in... cc: (bcc: James Bernsen/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: [pilot-db-list] 0.3.3 release I am not sure if I have interpreted the answers of Larry and James correctly: Are you saying that we should or should not release a version NOW with - Float, List and Link fields - the JFile and Mobile-DB Plug-Ins but without: - VFS support and - the calculated field? As far as I can see the new float, list and link fields ARE stable!. Hans _______________________________________________ Pilot-db-list mailing list Pil...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pilot-db-list |
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From: <aji...@t-...> - 2001-11-09 20:05:57
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I am not sure what a conduit is, but if you are referring to an Access/Excel front-end with which Pilot-DB data can be edited, imported and exported, then the answer is yes, there is someone working on it. We will know more in 2 to 3 weeks. I Agree that a PC-Based Front-End is the *only* thing that is really missing at the moment, and that the no of people who will switch to Pilot-DB from almost *all* other similar programs will dramatically increase! However, in the meanwhile the Mobile-DB PC, A PC-Based Spreadheet program, wich is available free of charge, can be used, as long as the fields are *only* of the string-type. Marc is working on integrating the new Mobile-DB features, which include the types text, number, sequence, checkbox, date, time and list, into the Mobile-DB Plug-in, so that Mobile-DB PC could be used as a PC Front-End to edit all field types other than float and calculated. These databases would then be compatible to Pilot-DB. Hans |
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From: <aji...@t-...> - 2001-11-09 19:50:47
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I am not sure if I have interpreted the answers of Larry and James correctly: Are you saying that we should or should not release a version NOW with - Float, List and Link fields - the JFile and Mobile-DB Plug-Ins but without: - VFS support and - the calculated field? As far as I can see the new float, list and link fields ARE stable!. Hans |
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From: <jbe...@le...> - 2001-11-09 18:33:14
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Larry,
I must agree with Larry that stability is better than features. I have used
both DB 0.3.1 and DB 0.3.2 heavily for quite some time, and I can't recall
either version *ever* crashing on me, even if I did something wrong! I don't
think that I have simply been lucky. This beta snapshot may still be unstable,
but I have confidence that the released version will be quite the opposite. I
commend the developers for the rock-solid stability of their final released
versions, and I hope that it will continue.
-James Bernsen
"Larry K. Turner" <LKTURNE%wes...@in...> on 11/09/2001
01:06:44 PM
To: Pilot-db-list%lis...@in...,
marc-chalain%voi...@in...
cc: (bcc: James Bernsen/Lex/Lexmark)
Subject: Re:[pilot-db-list] 0.3.3 Release
Stability is better that features. Not everyone using this application is an
advanced computer user. I have found the fastest way to make someone dislike an
application is to have it crash on them, even if they did something wrong. Many
of the people I work with would love to get their hands on an application like
this, but they would delete it after the second or third time it crashed on
them.
This is a VERY GOOD application, but it lacks the stability that many people
will want the have.
Don't get me wrong. I think you should still release snapshot update as they
become available. There are many people willing to help test (I'm one of these
people). But the "Release" version should be very stable or you will run people
off.
Larry
>>> "Chalain Marc" <mar...@vo...> 11/09/01 04:04AM >>>
What do you think about that? I agree with Hans, but I promised some features
and i don't know what will think the users.
Salut,
Marc.
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From: Larry K. T. <LK...@we...> - 2001-11-09 18:06:56
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Stability is better that features. Not everyone using this application is = an advanced computer user. I have found the fastest way to make someone di= slike an application is to have it crash on them, even if they did somethin= g wrong. Many of the people I work with would love to get their hands on a= n application like this, but they would delete it after the second or third= time it crashed on them. This is a VERY GOOD application, but it lacks the stability that many peopl= e will want the have. Don't get me wrong. I think you should still release snapshot update as th= ey become available. There are many people willing to help test (I'm one o= f these people). But the "Release" version should be very stable or you wi= ll run people off. Larry >>> "Chalain Marc" <mar...@vo...> 11/09/01 04:04AM >>> What do you think about that? I agree with Hans, but I promised some featur= es and i don't know what will think the users. Salut, Marc. ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr=20 Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap. _______________________________________________ Pilot-db-list mailing list Pil...@li...=20 https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pilot-db-list |
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From: Larry K. T. <LK...@we...> - 2001-11-09 17:54:00
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Is anybody planning to write an Access conduit? The main reason I'm using = ThinkDB, is because of the DBSync Conduit that interfaces directly with Acc= ess97. However there are some real advantages to Db over ThinkDB. Larry |
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From: Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...> - 2001-11-09 16:13:08
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Can you send the informations file that you use to build your database? There is some trouble if you fix the READONLY flag. This flag is only for databases in ROM. Salut, Marc. > I've been experimenting with the csv2pdb tool to get a csv file into the Pilot-db palm database. It was working fine for a few hotsynchs, but now I've come across a strange problem. When I try to synch the same DB (thinking that it was deleted off of the palm), I get an error in my hotsych log - Protocol Error: File already exists. (400B) . WHen I check my Palm, the DB isn't there. If I do a rescan of databases, it shows up. I try to delete it, is disappears from the db list but when I do a rescan, it shows up again. > > Why is this happening, and more importantly, how do I delete that problematic DB. I can add other db's with no problem. ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap. |
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From: Pat P. <PPe...@nc...> - 2001-11-09 15:34:43
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I've been experimenting with the csv2pdb tool to get a csv file into the = Pilot-db palm database. It was working fine for a few hotsynchs, but now = I've come across a strange problem. When I try to synch the same DB = (thinking that it was deleted off of the palm), I get an error in my = hotsych log - Protocol Error: File already exists. (400B) . WHen I check = my Palm, the DB isn't there. If I do a rescan of databases, it shows up. = I try to delete it, is disappears from the db list but when I do a rescan, = it shows up again. Why is this happening, and more importantly, how do I delete that = problematic DB. I can add other db's with no problem. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Pat |
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From: Alex M. <al...@ho...> - 2001-11-09 14:04:47
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Hi, I am also totally second Hans - the stable 0.3.3 release will be very valuable even without VFS and calculated fields - the job you have done already is absolutely tremendous. With List and Link features Pilot-DB is extremely powerful and flexible. I throw away any check lists, tape / DVD applications, book organizers and many other small apps I used before. Best wishes & many thanks, Alex PS. I also think that calculated fields add so much functionality that they certainly worth a separate release. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp |
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From: Vasko M. <va...@di...> - 2001-11-09 09:53:16
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I agree > What do you think about that? I agree with Hans, but I=20 > promised some features and i don't know what will think the users. |
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From: Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...> - 2001-11-09 09:47:44
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What do you think about that? I agree with Hans, but I promised some features and i don't know what will think the users. Salut, Marc. ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap. |
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From: <aji...@t-...> - 2001-11-08 22:46:26
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The Link-Page on our web-site has been updated to add a link to PalmOpenSource.com Hans |
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From: <aji...@t-...> - 2001-11-08 20:35:52
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I would like to make a suggestion: Let us release a stable final 0.3.3 Version NOW with - Float, List and Link fields, all of which seem to be stable, and - the JFile and Mobile-DB Plug-Ins but without: - VFS support and - the calculated field. We could add these in the final ****1.0.0 Version***** which could be released before Christmas We may have some Front-End DB-Spreadsheets by then too! What a nice Chistmas Present that would be to everyone interested! What do you think? Hans |
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From: Fab <kr...@bi...> - 2001-11-08 18:33:11
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Version 0.3.3.betaC I played with the list type field, so here are my thoughts : 1 - you cannot get back to N/A value after you've selected an item. 2 - when you enter new items, the list doesn't scroll down, so you cannot see what exactly you've just added. 3 - It would be cool to be able to re-order the items. Fab. |
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From: Tanoshima H. <ta...@ni...> - 2001-11-08 13:18:54
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Hi, I'll try to translate 'lang/.rcp' to Japanese, beacause I found 'ja.rcp' file is broken. And also 'README' to 'README.ja'. Before my start of translation, I have a question. I got the 'lang/sample.rcp' version 1.15 from CVS tree, is this valid? -- Tanoshima Hidetohi |
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From: Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...> - 2001-11-08 10:05:54
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Read/write acces, but you need enought place in RAM to temporaly load the database in RAM. Salut, Marc. ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap. |
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From: Vasko M. <va...@di...> - 2001-11-08 09:47:40
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so I don't know, if this feature is worth of your time spent on coding it because: Read-Only access to big databases in VFS cards: * PiDirectVFS -- shareware * MsMount -- freeware Read-Write access with copying to main memory: * PowerRun -- shareware all these programs duplicate your effort and they are probably better, because they are specialized and tested by many people just my opinion, miro > Perhaps in the future with a plugin. |
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From: Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...> - 2001-11-08 09:38:25
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Perhaps in the future with a plugin. Salut, Marc. ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap. |
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From: Vasko M. <va...@di...> - 2001-11-08 09:25:33
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hm i knew it :( so I cannot have 10MB database on VFS card and if I want to have read-only database, DB will be able to read a XXXMB database without copying it to RAM? like msmount/pidirect etc thx, miro > Read/write acces, but you need enought place in RAM to=20 > temporaly load the database in RAM. |
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From: Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...> - 2001-11-08 09:10:41
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!!!!!!!!IMPORTANT!!!!!!!! PLEASE, DON'T use the CALCULATED field, Scott will change everything and it will be not compatible with the beta version format. You can play a little, and give us the bug report but don't use it with your main databases. Salut, Marc. ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap. |
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From: Vasko M. <va...@di...> - 2001-11-08 08:51:29
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this is really great and i'm looking foward for this feature :-))) this will be for read-only or for read-write access, too? thanks, miro |
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From: Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...> - 2001-11-08 08:38:25
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the VFS support is to manage database on an expansion card (SD, MMC, MS, CF....) with the new devices. The users will be able to open a database on a card without transfert it on the device with tools. Salut, Marc. ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap. |
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From: Fab <kr...@bi...> - 2001-11-07 23:37:28
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So, I played with the last version. It's great. I'm very found of the new types especialy the float and the calculated ones. As soon as the db-tools are updated, I'll definitely abandon ThinkDB. Speaking of the calculated type, I like very much the script syntax. It looks like the reverse polish notation. Very powerfull. Where does it come from ? Thanks to all. Fab. |
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