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From: Sergey V. U. <ser...@cl...> - 2002-09-23 20:54:28
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Hi all There is a little question about gaim architecture and non-ascii encoding. Currently, gaim is rather weak in this area. All the data is transferred "as is" (even if gaim is 8-bit clean). The only plugin which recodes the data for i18n purposes is well known rusconv. But this great plugin is good for the convertion between 2 russian encodings. And its usage is limited by ICQ protocol and other pure 8-bit protocols. Unicode-based protocols are not supported properly (for example, MSN). So my major question is about internal gaim structures. Does gaim use unicode internally? If no - why? If yes - what is the way? Would it be possible to create some generic encoding handling approach with the following principles: 1. There is a "local client" encoding and "protocol" or "remote" encoding. All the visible character data is transcoded using them. 2. The gaim's local client encoding is determined at run time from LANG, LC_??? envvars and/or from gaim configuration 3. The "internal protocol" encoding is set on per-protocol and/or per-buddy basis (some per-protocol default would be nice here - and gaim config could allow to modify this parameter). So for MSN it would be unicode (UTF-8?), for ICQ it can be ISO8859-1 (or Windows CP1251 for Russian users). I really admire gaim and would love to see it perfect. I think with the library like iconv, my ideas are not very difficult to implement. I would be happy to help here with some code but I am afraid I don't have enough spare time:( Regards, Sergey |
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From: Sergey V. U. <ser...@cl...> - 2002-09-23 20:54:26
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Hi all Several days ago I offered the solution to the bug on the font used to display buddies. Actually, the problem is that the correct font is not taken from gtk theme because the first call to update_idle_time is performed _before_ gtk theme is loaded, so some wrong default font is used on style creation. I still got no answer on this report:(. Could please anyone check my solution (using gtk_rc_get_style) and tell me whether it actually works. Would it be possible to commit this into CVS (at least for GTK1) Cheers, Sergey |
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From: Adam F. <ad...@sn...> - 2002-09-23 17:20:04
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Oh well, I have been playing with many things trying to get the buddy list box to pop up where I want it to, but failed. I was trying to find a way to set the window placement method in gtk (because that is all that seems to be wrong) but there doesnt seem to be any (GTK_WIN_POS_NONE looked the most correct, but didnt work). I just get around it by playing with the sawfish matched windows option. Anything with the Name ^Gaim - Buddy List$ is set to place mode: none, and it now works fine |
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From: Robert M. <rob...@de...> - 2002-09-23 14:38:28
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 01:51:07AM -0400, Luke Schierer wrote: > yes, this should be fixed as of a few hours ago. ... > if you are using cvs, please update and let me know if it is still broken. > luke Ehhm, the applet and the 'display near applet' options are gone from CVS, so it's highly unlikely he is. I may be able to do a version of my fix for gtk1-stable, but it seems to lack the ability to set the 'gravity' of a window, which controls the position from which the window manager reports the co-ordinates when moving and resizing. This was essential to stop the blist from creeping downwards and to the right with repeated redisplaying (with my window manager anyway). Regards, Rob |
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From: Lenny M. <ld...@ho...> - 2002-09-23 12:26:39
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This is something I have thought I would like as well, but there should definitely be some text saying this is an auto response in front of the message... Maybe when people see this they will be enticed to ask about it and we can all advocate Gaim to them...or Gaim for Windows! Lenny Luke Schierer wrote: >>If Luke's right, and you do indeed mean an autoresponse on MSN, Gaim >>used to do that, but purposely disabled it. MSN users tend not to >>expect responses when you're away and it confuses then when they IM you >>and get one response back and then nothing--at least it does in my >>experience. > > > i tend to agree that its confusing on those protocols that don't have a means > to identify an auto responce, but perhaps we could insert some text in those > cases? or make auto-replying optional for them? > luke > |
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From: Kris N. <kri...@kh...> - 2002-09-23 06:08:53
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You da man!
I'm going to be in Binghamton around Christmas (assuming, of course,
that your email addy is somewhat close to your physical location...).
You, sir, are owed many beers.
K
On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 01:45, Sean Egan wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 01:13, Kris Newman wrote:
> > Hoping this is the place to make this request, if not, please tell me to
> > go pound sand...
> >
> > Is it possible to configure Gaim to send the selected away message when
> > on MSN? It works great in AIM, but it doesn't under MSN. This is one of
> > the nicest features in Trillian, and IMO, the one thing missing from
> > Gaim. I'm a fairly recent convert from Windows-land, and Gaim was pretty
> > central to my being able to make the switch. I use MSN for work, and the
> > ability to send the away message is extremely helpful.
>
> If Luke's right, and you do indeed mean an autoresponse on MSN, Gaim
> used to do that, but purposely disabled it. MSN users tend not to
> expect responses when you're away and it confuses then when they IM you
> and get one response back and then nothing--at least it does in my
> experience.
>
> > And if not...
> >
> > Is there anyone on this list who would consider writing a patch for the
> > gaim-applet on a free-lance basis?
> >
> > I'd be willing to pay for that functionality, with the hope that such a
> > patch could be considered for inclusion into the next version of Gaim.
>
> Index: src/server.c
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/gaim/gaim/src/server.c,v
> retrieving revision 1.227
> diff -u -r1.227 server.c
> --- src/server.c 23 Apr 2002 16:30:09 -0000 1.227
> +++ src/server.c 23 Sep 2002 05:45:19 -0000
> @@ -619,7 +619,7 @@
>
> /* regardless of whether we queue it or not, we should send an
> auto-response. That is,
> * of course, unless the horse.... no wait. */
> - if ((away_options & OPT_AWAY_NO_AUTO_RESP) || !strlen(gc->away) ||
> + if ((away_options & OPT_AWAY_NO_AUTO_RESP) ||
> ((away_options & OPT_AWAY_IDLE_RESP) && !gc->is_idle)) {
> g_free(name);
> g_free(message);
>
> ===============================================================
>
> That'll be $29.99 plus shipping and handling.
>
>
>
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@re...> - 2002-09-23 06:05:14
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 01:59:26AM -0400, Kris Newman wrote: > On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 01:22, Luke Schierer wrote: > > > do you mean an auto-reply? as best as i can tell, status, including message, > > is being set correctly. > > Sorry, I was a little vague on that point. What I'm looking for is when > someone on MSN sends me a message while I am set to any of MSN's away > modes, Gaim takes my current away message and sends it as an > auto-response. > > Just to make sure I'm not smoking crack, I did a verify of this > behavior, and it works well on AIM (I get my away message as an > autoresponse) but not at all on MSN. > aahh. good. i did understand you correctly then. you do mean an auto-responce. see sean's reply, with patch :-) luke > K > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel -- -This email is made of 100% recycled electrons. -If something can go wrong.... FIX IT! If it's Microsoft...delete it. -There are three ways to get something done: (1) Do it yourself. (2) Hire someone to do it for you. (3) Forbid your kids to do it. |
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From: Kris N. <kri...@kh...> - 2002-09-23 06:00:30
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 01:22, Luke Schierer wrote: > do you mean an auto-reply? as best as i can tell, status, including message, > is being set correctly. Sorry, I was a little vague on that point. What I'm looking for is when someone on MSN sends me a message while I am set to any of MSN's away modes, Gaim takes my current away message and sends it as an auto-response. Just to make sure I'm not smoking crack, I did a verify of this behavior, and it works well on AIM (I get my away message as an autoresponse) but not at all on MSN. K |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@gm...> - 2002-09-23 05:53:08
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> > If Luke's right, and you do indeed mean an autoresponse on MSN, Gaim > used to do that, but purposely disabled it. MSN users tend not to > expect responses when you're away and it confuses then when they IM you > and get one response back and then nothing--at least it does in my > experience. i tend to agree that its confusing on those protocols that don't have a means to identify an auto responce, but perhaps we could insert some text in those cases? or make auto-replying optional for them? luke -- -This email is made of 100% recycled electrons. -If something can go wrong.... FIX IT! If it's Microsoft...delete it. -There are three ways to get something done: (1) Do it yourself. (2) Hire someone to do it for you. (3) Forbid your kids to do it. |
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From: Christian H. <ch...@gn...> - 2002-09-23 05:51:57
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 01:13:55AM -0400, Kris Newman wrote: > Hoping this is the place to make this request, if not, please tell me to > go pound sand... Go pound sand, but do it only for fun. This is the right place. > Is it possible to configure Gaim to send the selected away message when > on MSN? It works great in AIM, but it doesn't under MSN. This is one of > the nicest features in Trillian, and IMO, the one thing missing from > Gaim. I'm a fairly recent convert from Windows-land, and Gaim was pretty > central to my being able to make the switch. I use MSN for work, and the > ability to send the away message is extremely helpful. Sean's reply is better than my "I don't know." > And if not... > > Is there anyone on this list who would consider writing a patch for the > gaim-applet on a free-lance basis? > > I'd be willing to pay for that functionality, with the hope that such a > patch could be considered for inclusion into the next version of Gaim. I can port my "everybody_happy" dance patch, but it won't give you that feature. Er, I also noticed that Luke beat me to this reply too, so I guess you can use this e-mail of mine as a reference to the other two e-mails that you probably can't miss in your mail client. Going to go pound sand. Have a good day. Christian -- Christian Hammond <> The GNUpdate Project ch...@gn... <> http://www.gnupdate.org/ Bowie's Theorem: If an experiment works, you must be using the wrong equipment. |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@gm...> - 2002-09-23 05:51:13
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 06:38:39AM +0100, Adam Feakin wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that the buddy list always pops up in the center > of the screen? I have the 'save window size/position' option and the yes, this should be fixed as of a few hours ago. > 'display buddy list near applet' option both turned on (but have > experimented with alternatives) but it always having save postion and display near applet both selected almost always conflicts, but then most people don't leave gaim near the applet when they select both. if you are using cvs, please update and let me know if it is still broken. luke -- -This email is made of 100% recycled electrons. -If something can go wrong.... FIX IT! If it's Microsoft...delete it. -There are three ways to get something done: (1) Do it yourself. (2) Hire someone to do it for you. (3) Forbid your kids to do it. |
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From: Sean E. <bj...@bi...> - 2002-09-23 05:46:03
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 01:13, Kris Newman wrote:
> Hoping this is the place to make this request, if not, please tell me to
> go pound sand...
>
> Is it possible to configure Gaim to send the selected away message when
> on MSN? It works great in AIM, but it doesn't under MSN. This is one of
> the nicest features in Trillian, and IMO, the one thing missing from
> Gaim. I'm a fairly recent convert from Windows-land, and Gaim was pretty
> central to my being able to make the switch. I use MSN for work, and the
> ability to send the away message is extremely helpful.
If Luke's right, and you do indeed mean an autoresponse on MSN, Gaim
used to do that, but purposely disabled it. MSN users tend not to
expect responses when you're away and it confuses then when they IM you
and get one response back and then nothing--at least it does in my
experience.
> And if not...
>
> Is there anyone on this list who would consider writing a patch for the
> gaim-applet on a free-lance basis?
>
> I'd be willing to pay for that functionality, with the hope that such a
> patch could be considered for inclusion into the next version of Gaim.
Index: src/server.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/gaim/gaim/src/server.c,v
retrieving revision 1.227
diff -u -r1.227 server.c
--- src/server.c 23 Apr 2002 16:30:09 -0000 1.227
+++ src/server.c 23 Sep 2002 05:45:19 -0000
@@ -619,7 +619,7 @@
/* regardless of whether we queue it or not, we should send an
auto-response. That is,
* of course, unless the horse.... no wait. */
- if ((away_options & OPT_AWAY_NO_AUTO_RESP) || !strlen(gc->away) ||
+ if ((away_options & OPT_AWAY_NO_AUTO_RESP) ||
((away_options & OPT_AWAY_IDLE_RESP) && !gc->is_idle)) {
g_free(name);
g_free(message);
===============================================================
That'll be $29.99 plus shipping and handling.
|
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From: Adam F. <ad...@sn...> - 2002-09-23 05:38:52
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Has anyone else noticed that the buddy list always pops up in the center of the screen? I have the 'save window size/position' option and the 'display buddy list near applet' option both turned on (but have experimented with alternatives) but it always pops up in the middle... unless.. I click the applet (oh, I use gaim_applet btw :) ) to bring up the buddy list, move it to just above the applet icon, then click the applet icon to hide the buddy list, then click the applet icon again to bring it back up. After that, the buddy list appears in the center but more to the right of the screen. I can keep clicking on the applet icon and the windows disappears and reappears just to the right of the center until I move the mouse away from the applet icon and back again, then clicking again makes the buddy list move back to the center of the screen. I have no idea what is going on :) The position seems to be getting saved sometimes, but then ignored/broken. |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@re...> - 2002-09-23 05:22:45
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 01:13:55AM -0400, Kris Newman wrote: > Hoping this is the place to make this request, if not, please tell me to > go pound sand... you came to the right place. > > Is it possible to configure Gaim to send the selected away message when > on MSN? It works great in AIM, but it doesn't under MSN. This is one of > the nicest features in Trillian, and IMO, the one thing missing from > Gaim. I'm a fairly recent convert from Windows-land, and Gaim was pretty > central to my being able to make the switch. I use MSN for work, and the > ability to send the away message is extremely helpful. do you mean an auto-reply? as best as i can tell, status, including message, is being set correctly. > > And if not... > > Is there anyone on this list who would consider writing a patch for the > gaim-applet on a free-lance basis? gaim-applet exits for gnome in the gtk1-stable branch (the 0.59.x series). in the current cvs code, it has been replaced with a docklet which conforms to the www.freedesktop.org standards, and will thus work in any implementation of that standard (gnome's current cvs, and kde with a patch from redhat). a docklet for windows is being worked on. hope this answers your questions. luke -- -This email is made of 100% recycled electrons. -If something can go wrong.... FIX IT! If it's Microsoft...delete it. -There are three ways to get something done: (1) Do it yourself. (2) Hire someone to do it for you. (3) Forbid your kids to do it. |
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From: Kris N. <kri...@kh...> - 2002-09-23 05:14:57
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Hoping this is the place to make this request, if not, please tell me to go pound sand... Is it possible to configure Gaim to send the selected away message when on MSN? It works great in AIM, but it doesn't under MSN. This is one of the nicest features in Trillian, and IMO, the one thing missing from Gaim. I'm a fairly recent convert from Windows-land, and Gaim was pretty central to my being able to make the switch. I use MSN for work, and the ability to send the away message is extremely helpful. And if not... Is there anyone on this list who would consider writing a patch for the gaim-applet on a free-lance basis? I'd be willing to pay for that functionality, with the hope that such a patch could be considered for inclusion into the next version of Gaim. Again, if this isn't the place for this question, I apologize. If you're interested, please contact me at knewman@khaosx<SPAM>.com (Please remove the <SPAM> in your reply.) to discuss. Thanks, and thanks to everyone for making such a great app! Kris |
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From: Rob F. <ro...@ma...> - 2002-09-19 23:37:33
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Maybe I misunderstood then... What do you mean by the entry box? On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 12:28, Sean Egan wrote: > Rob > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 10:55, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote: > > I've almost done(4/5 stage) for gtkimhtml's porting to gtk2. > > then, who's doing for the entry box's porting? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel |
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From: Rob F. <ro...@ma...> - 2002-09-19 23:34:36
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I don't think anyone is working on the entry box? If they are, I'm not aware of it. I'm restructuring the actual conversation window (sans gtkimhtml/entry box) Rob On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 10:55, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote: > I've almost done(4/5 stage) for gtkimhtml's porting to gtk2. > then, who's doing for the entry box's porting? > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel |
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From: Christian H. <ch...@gn...> - 2002-09-19 21:49:56
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:14:08PM -0400, Ben Neuman wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:07:55 -0400 > Lenny Maiorani <ld...@ho...> wrote: > > > Things in the world are generally moving towards XML... I would suggest > > that! > > > > Lenny > > > > XML-ize everything! XML email! I GOT MAIL! YAY! > XML is not bad at all, when used under the right circumstances. Since we're already parsing a markup language, and SGML parsers tend to be slower than XML parser, AND since we'll be using XML anyway from the L/F/PERSON/F/L tree, we may as well use XML now.. IF it's appropriate. I don't know the protocols well enough, but if they're sending SGML, then we should stick with our current parser. My $0.01. I spent the other on a hotdog and drumsticks. Christian -- Christian Hammond <> The GNUpdate Project ch...@gn... <> http://www.gnupdate.org/ Root beer and doughnuts -- because breakfast is the most important meal of the day! |
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From: Ben N. <ol...@ol...> - 2002-09-19 21:14:21
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:07:55 -0400 Lenny Maiorani <ld...@ho...> wrote: > Things in the world are generally moving towards XML... I would suggest > that! > > Lenny > XML-ize everything! XML email! I GOT MAIL! YAY! |
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From: Lenny M. <ld...@ho...> - 2002-09-19 21:11:36
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Things in the world are generally moving towards XML... I would suggest that! Lenny |
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From: Nathan W. <fac...@fa...> - 2002-09-19 20:57:59
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On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 04:52:37AM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote: > Hi. >=20 > GtkTMHtml calls GMarkup for parsing HTML string of @text in append_text(). > but the GMarkup does not provide full HTML-compatible parsing, > rather half-XML (means stric for pairing etc.) one. >=20 > so it's time to make a decision: GMarkup or libxml's HTML parser? >=20 > a) if GMarkup is appreciated, pliz persuade others at > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D93597 >=20 > b) if libxml is appreciated, I'll #include <libxml.h> rather than glib. >=20 > waiting for reply. Well, I can't speak as to the merits of either. However, I'm already using libxml to parse the XML buddy list in the person tree. I'll be happy to send along the patches to autoconf et all if you want/need them. --=20 Nathan Walp || fac...@fa... GPG Fingerprint: || http://faceprint.com/ 5509 6EF3 928B 2363 9B2B DA17 3E46 2CDC 492D DB7E |
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From: Kang Jeong-H. <Ke...@ma...> - 2002-09-19 20:45:40
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On 2002.09.20 05:24 Sean Egan wrote: > Ummm... why not just use the parser we already have? you mean the lines of code beginning with gtk_imhtml_is_tag()? it's... yeah, kind of parser, but obsolete for gtk2's GtkTextView; I need an common interface like SAX which idealy provide way of implementation detail of rendering, not doing 1-by-1 bit of process. and the role of codes is closely implemented with pointer-hack. this is not fit to UTF-8 fashion. but I wanna say that I really respect the internal of the codes; I did implemented my patch as almost porting of these code. btw, I think gtkimhtml need SAX type parser. pliz concern. |
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From: Sean E. <bj...@bi...> - 2002-09-19 20:24:34
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Ummm... why not just use the parser we already have? On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 15:52, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote: > Hi. > > GtkTMHtml calls GMarkup for parsing HTML string of @text in append_text(). > but the GMarkup does not provide full HTML-compatible parsing, > rather half-XML (means stric for pairing etc.) one. > > so it's time to make a decision: GMarkup or libxml's HTML parser? > > a) if GMarkup is appreciated, pliz persuade others at > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93597 > > b) if libxml is appreciated, I'll #include <libxml.h> rather than glib. > > waiting for reply. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel > |
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From: Kang Jeong-H. <Ke...@ma...> - 2002-09-19 19:53:43
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Hi. GtkTMHtml calls GMarkup for parsing HTML string of @text in append_text(). but the GMarkup does not provide full HTML-compatible parsing, rather half-XML (means stric for pairing etc.) one. so it's time to make a decision: GMarkup or libxml's HTML parser? a) if GMarkup is appreciated, pliz persuade others at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93597 b) if libxml is appreciated, I'll #include <libxml.h> rather than glib. waiting for reply. |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@re...> - 2002-09-19 17:51:18
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:55:31PM +0900, Kang Jeong-Hee wrote: > I've almost done(4/5 stage) for gtkimhtml's porting to gtk2. > then, who's doing for the entry box's porting? > sean? rob? decklin? someone else who volunteers? we'll see ;-) luke > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel -- -This email is made of 100% recycled electrons. -If something can go wrong.... FIX IT! If it's Microsoft...delete it. -There are three ways to get something done: (1) Do it yourself. (2) Hire someone to do it for you. (3) Forbid your kids to do it. |
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