phpwiki-talk

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

What about removing %%Search%% and %%Fullsearch%% sooner or later?
The new MacigPhpWikiURLs are functionally equivalent and even better.

  [ Title Search | phpwiki:?action=search&searchterm=() ] 
  [ Full Search | phpwiki:?action=search&searchtype=full&searchterm=() ] 
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>Can do, probably tonight since I have no plans. 

In the interim there's I just put one up

  http://www.dairiki.org/cgi-bin/alpha-wiki.cgi/FrontPage

It's not ideal, since my web provider is not the greatest.
But it was a good exercise --- it broke a lot of my new auto-configuration
heuristics --- so now I'll have to figure out how to fix them.

I was going to publicize the admin user and password so you could play
with that (after disabling dumpserial and loadfile, that is), but
just discovered that the HTTP authentication stuff only works
if PHP is running as an apache module.  (So much for using cgiwrappers
to hide the admin password --- that'll hide it all right, but you
won't be able to use it!)

I think (as almost everybody else does) we're going to have to
move to using our own login form, rather the HTTP authentication.
The HTTP authentication is just not meant to be used like we're
using it.

When you get a demo wiki running at sourceforge, I'll probably get
rid of this one.  Though it would sort of be neat to have one which
gets auto-synced to the CVS nightly or something.

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] email notification

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>However the problem of others adding email addresses remains. JohnDoe
>might offend a script kiddie and suddenly he gets all the pages when they
>update.

Good point.

Again, once we have user logins, savepage could filter any new
[notify:] links and delete them if they point to someone other than
the current user (and generate a diagnostic message).

I think this should wait until after we have the ability to
authenticate users.

Jeff

[Phpwiki-talk] Display double byte chars?

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

Korean and Chinese chars are not supported by PhpWiki:

http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php?DoubleByteCharacters

Does PHP support them at all?

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] email notification

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Jeff Dairiki wrote:

> >[notify:email@address]
> 
> Very clever!  The main problem I see is that some people may object
> to having their email address publicly available for spamming.
> 
> Once we add user tracking, that won't be a problem, since the 
> user e-mail address can be stored (privately) along with his
> password and whatever other personal information.  Then there's
> just [notify:JohnDoe] on the page.
> 

However the problem of others adding email addresses remains. JohnDoe
might offend a script kiddie and suddenly he gets all the pages when they
update.

Anyway, this has been asked for before and I'll add it to the task list
now.

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

Can do, probably tonight since I have no plans. 

~swain

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Jeff Dairiki wrote:

> >Hi,
> >
> >there are a lott of interesting changes appearing in phpwiki-checkins.
> >
> >Is there a wiki, where one could test these ?
> >
> >Greetings, Thomas
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Yes, that's a good idea.
> 
> Steve, can we put the alpha-wiki up on phpwiki.sourceforge.net?
> I'll volunteer to maintain it (if that's possible).  Failing that,
> I can set one up at www.dairiki.org, but that will be a bit of a pain
> since that host doesn't have PHP4 yet.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] email notification

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Thomas Kalka wrote: 

> I implemented a simple notification by interpreting
> 
> [notify:email@address]
> 
> in the wiki-text and sending diffs and also the new html-page to the
> adresses in the changed and previous version, to allow to check for
> deletion of the [notify:...]
> 
> What do you think ? 
> 
> 

We even received a patch for this some time back. I personally like the
idea but I think Arno had valid objections.

I would like to see it added as a disabled feature; if someone sets
PhpWiki up on a secure intranet they can enable the feature.

Any other comments?

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

I'll set one up on SourceForge sometime soon.

~swain

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Thomas Kalka wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> there are a lott of interesting changes appearing in phpwiki-checkins.
> 
> Is there a wiki, where one could test these ?
> 
> Greetings, Thomas
> 
> 

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] email notification

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>[notify:email@address]

Very clever!  The main problem I see is that some people may object
to having their email address publicly available for spamming.

Once we add user tracking, that won't be a problem, since the 
user e-mail address can be stored (privately) along with his
password and whatever other personal information.  Then there's
just [notify:JohnDoe] on the page.

(When a users notify link has been removed from a page, the auto
notification message should probably prominently mention that fact,
not just show it in the diffs.)

(And if I had my druthers, it would just mail the diffs, and include
a link to the full wiki page.)

Jeff

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>Hi,
>
>there are a lott of interesting changes appearing in phpwiki-checkins.
>
>Is there a wiki, where one could test these ?
>
>Greetings, Thomas

Hi Thomas,

Yes, that's a good idea.

Steve, can we put the alpha-wiki up on phpwiki.sourceforge.net?
I'll volunteer to maintain it (if that's possible).  Failing that,
I can set one up at www.dairiki.org, but that will be a bit of a pain
since that host doesn't have PHP4 yet.

Jeff

[Phpwiki-talk] email notification

[Thomas K. <th...@co...>]

I implemented a simple notification by interpreting

[notify:email@address]

in the wiki-text and sending diffs and also the new html-page to the =
adresses in the changed and=20
previous version, to allow to check for deletion of the [notify:...]

What do you think ?

[Phpwiki-talk] verbatim

[Thomas K. <th...@co...>]

I like much the idea of having Wiki-Input email-compatible

That means that

--- Input

* topic 1
  -  subtopic 2
     a longer text for subtopic 2
     continued
* topic 2
  - and so on

should render as obove as html-output

Do you like this idea ? Implementing that would need to change the =
verbatim-mode, for
example the pywiki implements verbatim using
{{{
    verbatim code
}}}

then one could use the intendation with spaces to distinguis sub-levels =
(as for example in python)

Thomas

[Phpwiki-talk] test-wiki

[Thomas K. <th...@co...>]

Hi,

there are a lott of interesting changes appearing in phpwiki-checkins.

Is there a wiki, where one could test these ?

Greetings, Thomas

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] 2001-02-13 problems (1.3.0pre)

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

Thanks Reini for the README patch.

I think the problem you're having here is due to my changes:
  The load-from-dir code (which is being called to setup the wiki)
now enters the pages it loads into RecentChanges.   It's trying to
update RecentChanges before RecentChanges has been loaded, and not
handling it gracefully.

I'll fix it soon (within three hours or so), so try again after
my next CVS commit.

I suspect the mysql schema is okay, but I'll check that too.

Jeff

[Phpwiki-talk] 2001-02-13 problems (1.3.0pre)

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Problem 1:
  Fatal error: Call to undefined function: searchpath() in lib/config.php on
line 40
Cause:
  config.php on 
    if (!function_exists ('gettext'))
  requires searchpath() from stdlib.php but stdlib.php is loaded from main.php
  after config.php. 
  classic cyclic dependency problem.
  stdlib neds config
Solution:
  not me.
  perhaps move SearchPath() into config.php

Problem 2:
Loading up virgin wiki
lib/stdlib.php:559: Notice[8]: Undefined index: lastmodified
lib/stdlib.php:566: Notice[8]: Undefined index: content
lib/mysql.php:77: Notice[8]: Undefined index: author
lib/mysql.php:126: Notice[8]: Undefined index: created
lib/mysql.php:128: Notice[8]: Undefined index: version

WikiFatalError
Error writing page 'RecentChanges'
MySQL error: You have an error in your SQL syntax near ' 0, 982105829,
'RecentChanges', 'a:0:{}', )' at line 1 

Cause:
  wrong schemas/schemas.mysql
  missing INDEX definitions
Solution:
  not sure but the syntax below looks fine to me. depends on the mysql version
of course. 
  on my public machine with 3.22 it will not work.
  it has to be a MyISAM table for the BLOB index. it needs a different syntax.
  BLOB indices are troublesome. I would also try to avoid all varchars in wiki
and
  provide a seperate wikiblob table. this way the table has to copied all over
on 
  any update. with fixed lengths in wiki only the blob has to be inserted.

CREATE TABLE wiki (
        pagename VARCHAR(100) NOT NULL,
        version INT NOT NULL DEFAULT 1,
        flags INT NOT NULL DEFAULT 0,
        author VARCHAR(100),
        lastmodified INT NOT NULL,
        created INT NOT NULL,
        content MEDIUMTEXT NOT NULL, INDEX(content(50)),
        refs TEXT,
        PRIMARY KEY (pagename),
        INDEX (lastmodified),
        INDEX (author),
        INDEX (created),
        INDEX (version)
        );

There have been more errors on the setup step so I gave up.
(win32, apache-3.14 with modphp4.0.5, mysql 3.23.28-gamma)

[Phpwiki-talk] README patch against 1.3.0pre

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

A small patch against the latest nightly build (1.3.0pre)

Jeff, I love it!
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Vote!

[<ph...@de...>]

On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:01:55 -0800, I earlier wrote:
=> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:48:50 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
=> => I want a straw poll here on the list. All in favor of simple HMLT table
=> => syntax, or not, speak your piece now.

=> 	As a newbie to the list/application, it doesn't matter to
=> me if you care to add HTML tables (but I personally think it's
=> not really on the path).  I'd suggest making the feature toggle
=> on/off thru config.php if you do, so folks can select as they
=> choose.
	<snip the rest of my own extremely well-written message>

	I've had some more thought about HTML: I now think that
it would be very handy to be able to use a simple table in wiki
when writing about an image included for display on that same
page, so that you could keep all the comments to the left or
right with <tr><td>etc.

	Just a thought (but I ran into a case for it over the
weekend).

	Cheers,

	- Don

[Phpwiki-talk] article on WikiWikiWeb

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

Computerworld magazine ran an article on WikiWikiWebs:

http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO56996,00.html

LilyPond (http://appel.lilypond.org/wiki/index.php?LilyPond) is mentioned
at the end of the article, though there was no direct mention of PhpWiki
(the article does mention there are PHP implementations at least). 

~swain

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] VisualTour feature?

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

It looks like this could be done with the image functions in PHP. Admins
would have to compile in the gd library; after that, it would require some
data gathering from the database and then drawing an image to represent
relationships. A lot of work, but could be very interesting.

~swain


On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Steve Wainstead wrote:

> 
> I wonder what PHP libs are available to implement something like this? The
> neat thing is it's on the cutting edge of hypertext theory.
> 
> If we do implment something like this, I would expect it to have a basic
> functionality at first and then it would evolve over a long period of time
> based on user feedback.
> 
> ~swain
> 
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 ph...@de... wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	While you're talking about other features and whether or
> > not to include them in the next release on phpWiki, can I suggest
> > something along the lines of the Visual Tour as found at:
> > 	http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?VisualizeTheWiki
> > with link to tour at the bottom of every page.  This seems quite
> > nice.
> > 	TIA,
> > 
> > 	- Don
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phpwiki-talk mailing list
> > Php...@li...
> > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwiki-talk
> > 
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] VisualTour feature?

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

I wonder what PHP libs are available to implement something like this? The
neat thing is it's on the cutting edge of hypertext theory.

If we do implment something like this, I would expect it to have a basic
functionality at first and then it would evolve over a long period of time
based on user feedback.

~swain

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 ph...@de... wrote:

> 
> 	While you're talking about other features and whether or
> not to include them in the next release on phpWiki, can I suggest
> something along the lines of the Visual Tour as found at:
> 	http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?VisualizeTheWiki
> with link to tour at the bottom of every page.  This seems quite
> nice.
> 	TIA,
> 
> 	- Don
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phpwiki-talk mailing list
> Php...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwiki-talk
> 

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[Phpwiki-talk] nightly builds fixed

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

Sourceforge has some weird bug right now making anonymous CVS access a
problem. I figured out I was doing way too much work using an Expect
script anyhow, and am now using a simple bash script to generate the
nightly builds.

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[Phpwiki-talk] ChangeLog since release of 1.2

[Steve W. <sw...@wc...>]

Since there have been so many changes in the last several days I made a
ChangeLog to see what's been done... it might be useful to set up a cron
job to send weekly and monthly ChangeLogs to the list. I'll look into it.

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[Phpwiki-talk] VisualTour feature?

[<ph...@de...>]

	While you're talking about other features and whether or
not to include them in the next release on phpWiki, can I suggest
something along the lines of the Visual Tour as found at:
	http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?VisualizeTheWiki
with link to tour at the bottom of every page.  This seems quite
nice.
	TIA,

	- Don

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Footnotes

[Thomas K. <th...@co...>]

> How does one maintain the correct correspondence between reference and
> footnote?   Give them names (which are then automatically converted
> to numbers)?

---Wiki Input
This will generate FootNotes [2] and [1] and also [_lookHere]
[_lookHere] bla3
lorem ipsum
[2] bla2
[1] bla1

---Wiki output would be
This will generate FootNotes [3] and [2] and also [1]  lorem ipsum

[1] bla3
[2] bla2
[3] bla1

nice would be also

---Wiki Input
This will generate FootNotes [2] and [1] and also [_lookHere]
[_lookHere] bla3
[2] bla2
lorem ipsum
[_lookHere] bla4
[1] bla1
[_lookHere] bla5

---Wiki output would be
This will generate FootNotes [3] and [2] and also [1]  lorem ipsum

[1] bla3
      bla4
      bla5
[2] bla2
[3] bla1



Thomas

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] cron jobs

[Arno H. <aho...@xm...>]

> http://uptime.arsdigita.com/uptime/ =3D> Uptime requests a certain page
> about every 20 minutes. All you need to do =3D> is check the time and t=
hen
> perform your "cronjob" :o)
>
> =09Very nice. Is it generally dependable in your experience?

Well, I guess the intention of Uptime is not to use it as "cronjob" but=20
really check the Uptime of your site. I've been using the service for clo=
se=20
to a year now and it is reliable. I would not bet my life that there is a=
=20
check at least every 20 minutes. I recall times between checks up to 35=20
minutes.

/Arno