phpwiki-talk

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Developers wanted

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

please! :)
i love it.

Joel Uckelman schrieb:
> Heh, that reminds me, I still have some coding to do to finish the
> versioning stuff. Perhaps that's a project for tomorrow...

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] sample edit macro

[Jan N. <ja...@gn...>]

Steve Wainstead <sw...@pa...> writes:

> Here's a sample of an edit macro button. Ugly but functional. When I was
> at the NYT on the Web, I was given the task of evaluating Javascript and
> making recommendations for coding practices in JS on the content
> management system we were building for the editors;

I hope you adviced graceful degradation?

> I found JS has far more capability than most people use,

Exactly.  That's one of the reasons you're wise to disable js when
browsing the internet.

> and it's also a really cool language despite being trapped in a
> couple of really crappy browsers.

Ah, you mean the kind of browsers that can't even display those
helpful popup windows, withhold all those magnificent banner
offerings, and enable the disabled to surf the web, and run on your
(Linux) PDA?

As for crappy, that's very much a personal opinion.  I have heard of
people that like to use graphical browsers, and navigate using a
mouse.  Really!

I very much hope that phpwiki will remain best accessible with any
brower, see eg:

    http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/abdesign2.html#javascript

Greetings,
Jan.

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[Phpwiki-talk] Welcome to Reini Urban

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

Reini Urban has joined the PhpWiki developer team. Welcome aboard, Reini!

~swain

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[Phpwiki-talk] sample edit macro

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

Here's a sample of an edit macro button. Ugly but functional. When I was
at the NYT on the Web, I was given the task of evaluating Javascript and
making recommendations for coding practices in JS on the content
management system we were building for the editors; I found JS has far
more capability than most people use, and it's also a really cool language
despite being trapped in a couple of really crappy browsers.

diff -r1.19 editpage.html
15c15
< <form class="wikiaction" method="POST" action="###BROWSE_PAGE###">
---
> <form name="editbox" class="wikiaction" method="POST"
action="###BROWSE_PAGE###">
30a31
> <input type="button" name="timestamper" value="Add timestamp"><br>
58a60,65
>
> <script language="Javascript">
> document.editbox.timestamper.onclick = function () {
>     document.editbox.content.value += Date();
> }
> </script>


In short,

1) I named the form "editbox", probably a poor name though... the textarea
is called "content" for reasons internal to PhpWiki, but here it all looks
confusing. Forms and their elements should always have names, since
all Javascript objects are really hashes and you can access things
by name instead of number. Anyway:

2) I added a button input called "timestamper"

3) At the end of the file, I put JS code in <script> tags where it is
separated out from the HTML. This makes the code much easier to maintain
in most cases. Most developers jam all the JS inside the HTML which is a
huge unreadable mess.

~swain

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] dbx again

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Steve Wainstead wrote:

> It goes without saying that we need to move to a library like this one...
> I will probably go ahead and make a copy of schema.mysql as schema.dbx and
> put that in CVS.

Er, that is, mysql.php as dbx.php or something.

~swain


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[Phpwiki-talk] dbx again

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

That was remarkably easy to do. I wrote a little page to list the
pagenames from the phpwiki database just using the dbx examples page
(http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.dbx-query.php).

It goes without saying that we need to move to a library like this one...
I will probably go ahead and make a copy of schema.mysql as schema.dbx and
put that in CVS.

~swain

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[Phpwiki-talk] dbx module

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

The dbx module was added to PHP 4.0.6, and was released 6/23. I think I'll
give it a try soon.

~swain

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Developers wanted

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

Yes, we have strict deadlines here! :-)

~swain

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Joel Uckelman wrote:

> Heh, that reminds me, I still have some coding to do to finish the
> versioning stuff. Perhaps that's a project for tomorrow...
>
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Developers wanted

[Joel U. <uck...@no...>]

Quoth Steve Wainstead:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've been meaning to post an invite for months now to join the team, if
> you are interested. Things we are adding to 1.3 can be found at
> http://sourceforge.net/pm/task.php?group_project_id=7691&group_id=6121&func=b
> rowse
> 
> If you join the team you will have write access to the CVS repository plus
> some other goodies through SourceForge; you need a SourceForge account
> though to join up.
> 
> Knowledge of CVS is needed, but you only need to learn a handful of
> commands to do most things.
> 
> I still want to make PhpWiki one of the best Wikis out there. So far users
> have been very enthusiastic, and I've yet to see any serious complaints
> about it (mostly feature requests).
> 
> Email me off list (sw...@pa...) if you are interested.
> 
> cheers
> ~swain

Heh, that reminds me, I still have some coding to do to finish the 
versioning stuff. Perhaps that's a project for tomorrow...

-- 
J.

[Phpwiki-talk] Developers wanted

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

Hello all,

I've been meaning to post an invite for months now to join the team, if
you are interested. Things we are adding to 1.3 can be found at
http://sourceforge.net/pm/task.php?group_project_id=7691&group_id=6121&func=browse

If you join the team you will have write access to the CVS repository plus
some other goodies through SourceForge; you need a SourceForge account
though to join up.

Knowledge of CVS is needed, but you only need to learn a handful of
commands to do most things.

I still want to make PhpWiki one of the best Wikis out there. So far users
have been very enthusiastic, and I've yet to see any serious complaints
about it (mostly feature requests).

Email me off list (sw...@pa...) if you are interested.

cheers
~swain

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Adding pages in bulk

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

I once tried to load the contents of the Jargon File into PhpWiki via a
Perl script, and had some success. (The JF is at
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/. You can get it as one big text file,
which is what I used).

I wrote a Perl script to do this, but it can be done in PHP without much
trouble. We don't have an "import" facility per se because there's never
been a demand for it, and there's an infinite number of input formats to
deal with ;-)

My approach would be to write a Perl script that read in each separate
entry from the file (by resetting $/) and then generating the SQL to
insert that entry. When the SQL looks good, I would try loading the files
into a virgin Wiki before loading it into the real thing.

~swain


On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Malcolm Ryan wrote:

> I have a large collection of data in a text file that I would like to add
> to my PhpWiki. The file consists of several hundred entries, each of which
> should go into a separate page. Is there any easy way to write a
> script to add pages in bulk, rather than doing it manually?
>
> Malcolm
>
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[Phpwiki-talk] Adding pages in bulk

[Malcolm R. <mal...@cs...>]

I have a large collection of data in a text file that I would like to add 
to my PhpWiki. The file consists of several hundred entries, each of which
should go into a separate page. Is there any easy way to write a 
script to add pages in bulk, rather than doing it manually?

Malcolm

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           and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." - Matt 5:45

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
> Steve Wainstead <sw...@pa...> wrote:
>
> > am I missing any? ;-)
>
> bash vs tcsh

wow, can't believe I overlooked that one...

~swain

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[J C L. <cl...@ka...>]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:58:51 -0400 (EDT) 
Steve Wainstead <sw...@pa...> wrote:

> They are as amusing as tiresome:

> spaces vs. tabs Emacs vs. vi Linux vs. *bsd Netscape vs. IE

> am I missing any? ;-)

bash vs tcsh, perl cs python, (La)TeX vs <insert WYSIWYG
WordProcessor>, GNOME vs KDE (both are equally useless), top down
versus bottom up, OO vs procedural, Free Software vs Open Source....

And it goes on from there.

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[J C L. <cl...@ka...>]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:42:40 -0400 (EDT) 
Steve Wainstead <sw...@pa...> wrote:

> I've read through the PEAR coding standards and they look
> good. I'd like all the project code to use them. You can take a
> look at http://www.php.net/manual/en/pear.standards.php.

So drop an Emacs mode comment at the top of all the files so your
editor Does The Right Thing and then forget about it.  Yeesh.

<<Written as one who disagrees rather strenuously with the PEAR
coding standards, but doesn't really care about it either -- that's
what M-x indent region is for>>

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Steve Wainstead schrieb:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Joel Uckelman wrote:
> > Me too. I think that's in the spirit of old-skool K&R C. Of course, this sort of thing is how epic flamewars get started. Heh. :)
> 
> They are as amusing as tiresome:
> spaces vs. tabs
> Emacs vs. vi
> Linux vs. *bsd
> Netscape vs. IE
> 
> am I missing any? ;-)

Emacs vs XEmacs and Scheme vs Common Lisp are the worst in my communities.
perl vs python, GPL vs BSD-style and GPL vs Artistic also leeds to amusing
flamewars.
relatively new is postgreSQL vs mysql. 
local popularity here got debian vs SUSE and KDE vs Gnome.

it's always good to have options :)
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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

>... we have a lot of dangling if statements of the form:
>
>if (foo)
>	statement;
>
>which will have to be excorcised...

I vote that we don't worry about these too much.  The only thing I can
find in the PEAR coding standards which addresses this is:

  You are strongly encouraged to always use curly braces even in
  situations where they are technically optional. Having them
  increases readability and decreases the likelihood of logic
  errors being introduced when new lines are added. 

("Strongly encouraged" != "required".)

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Steve Wainstead wrote:

> so I thought, that's cool, you get both in one style! Speaking of IF, we
> have a lot of dangling if statements of the form:
>
> if (foo)
> 	statement;
>
> which will have to be excercised...

Er, that's "exorcised"...

~swain



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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Joel Uckelman wrote:

> Me too. I think that's in the spirit of old-skool K&R C. Of course, this sort of thing is how epic flamewars get started. Heh. :)

They are as amusing as tiresome:

spaces vs. tabs
Emacs vs. vi
Linux vs. *bsd
Netscape vs. IE

am I missing any? ;-)

~swain


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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Reini Urban wrote:

> most of it is fine for me, I just don't like the "one true brace" function
> declaractions follow convention:
>
> function fooFunction($arg1, $arg2 = '')
> {
> 	if (condition) {
> 		statement;
> 	}
> 	return $val;
> }


I think this is a compromise; notice block statements go:

if (foo) {

}

so I thought, that's cool, you get both in one style! Speaking of IF, we
have a lot of dangling if statements of the form:

if (foo)
	statement;

which will have to be excercised...

~swain

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Joel U. <uck...@no...>]

Quoth Reini Urban:
> Steve Wainstead schrieb:
> > I've read through the PEAR coding standards and they look good. I'd like
> > all the project code to use them. You can take a look at
> > http://www.php.net/manual/en/pear.standards.php.
> 
> most of it is fine for me, I just don't like the "one true brace" function
> declaractions follow convention:
> 
> function fooFunction($arg1, $arg2 = '')
> {
> 	if (condition) {
> 		statement;
> 	}
> 	return $val;
> }
> 
> I do:
> function fooFunction ($arg1, $arg2 = '') {

Me too. I think that's in the spirit of old-skool K&R C. Of course, this sort of thing is how epic flamewars get started. Heh. :)

-- 
J.

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Steve Wainstead schrieb:
> I've read through the PEAR coding standards and they look good. I'd like
> all the project code to use them. You can take a look at
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/pear.standards.php.

most of it is fine for me, I just don't like the "one true brace" function
declaractions follow convention:

function fooFunction($arg1, $arg2 = '')
{
	if (condition) {
		statement;
	}
	return $val;
}

I do:
function fooFunction ($arg1, $arg2 = '') {

But I don't think that we could agree to any of these :)
And it's not that important.

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[Phpwiki-talk] PEAR coding standards

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

Hello all,

I've read through the PEAR coding standards and they look good. I'd like
all the project code to use them. You can take a look at
http://www.php.net/manual/en/pear.standards.php.

~swain

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[Phpwiki-talk] Cron jobs fixed

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

I fixed the cron jobs today; the $HOME had changed and I committed the sin
of hardcoding my home path into the scripts, which has now changed. Anyway
the nightly tarball and the alpha site should update nightly again.

~swain

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] versioning, take two

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Joel Uckelman schrieb:
> * Diffs against aribtrary page versions are now possible.
> * Diff links in page footers work properly.
> * Pages display their version numbers.
> * Old versions of pages are locked when archived.
> http://www.nomic.net/~test/phpwiki/index.php?FrontPage

sources?
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