Re: [Phpwiki-talk] New User General Questions

[Oliver B. <li...@gm...>]

Reini Urban wrote:

> > There are two developers only, but many users.
> 
> > I still see no active "community".
> 
> Yes, as I said, it's not visible here.

where is it visible? Maybe...

> I'm still presenting phpwiki on various wiki conferences and barcamps,
> but as Patrick Michaud, the pmwiki developer, we have more to do with
> our perl compiler projects, Patrick for perl6, me for perl5, besides
> our real work as knowledge engineers.
> 
> Marc-Etienne has his users behind the Alcatel-Lucent firewall, my
> users are behind the AVL firewall. Both are companies with >2500
> developers.

...in these two companies? So PhpWiki became a somewhat private 
thing?

> I believe Google or Zend have less developers if you want to play the
> number game.

I don't understand what you want to express here.

> >>> * Many plugins, in my opinion more, better and easier than mediawiki
> >>> plugins. mediawiki just has easier syntax plugins.
> >>
> >> For example? Where are these plugins documented?
> 
> Every plugin has its help page.

Well, most of them are not really helpful to me, and I guess there 
are other "clueless" users.

> You can e.g. see them at
> http://phpwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/phpwiki/trunk/pgsrc/
> at Help%2F*Plugin
> Doesn't look too hard to find.

How should the average user guess the SVN path? There is not even a 
link to the SVN repository on the web page.

The average user might try to install the "stable" (read: old) or 
"current" version and see the documentation coming with the 
installation files. In this documentation, there are many links to 
the broken sourceforge PhpWiki site.

> Not every applications needs an online demo site.

But it needs much more documentation. The old PhpWiki site had some 
extended documentation, and now it's gone. The "community" has no 
place to add knowledge today.

> We would like to have some demo site online again, but we need a
> server. Since we are not at the university anymore, rather in big
> companies we don't have such a server ready. 

and the big companies don't want to support the open source project 
they get benefit from? Some server space would be peanuts for them.

[...]

> BTW: All this is no user support.
> A user would have found it by himself.

I disagree strongly.

> And we really don't need to persuade others to use it. 

That seems to be the point. IMO PhpWiki is no more a public supported 
and used project.

That's sad.

Oliver
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Oliver Betz, Muenchen