Re: [Phpwiki-talk] GoPHP5 project, anyone?

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Steve Wainstead schrieb:
> Hello Reini, et al:
> 
> Has anyone approached you yet about the Go PHP 5 project yet? It's a 
> grassroots campaign to get projects to drop support for PHP4.
> 
> I loosely follow the Gallery project and it looks like they are about to 
> join up (see below).

Nope.
What a stupid idea. What should be the benefits?

I see a lot of dropped support for servers only having php4.
One of the basic principles of phpwiki was always "run everywhere, with 
any kind of php version or database or backend storage."
We should be proud to have full ph4 support, whilst the trendy folks 
just bother to support nifty php5 features.

They should rather target packagers like debian, redhat, ubuntu, 
apachefriends and mandrake to drop php4, not us apps.

I follow the php developers complaints about not wanting to maintain 
php4 any more.
perl still supports 5.005 up to 5.8 and 5.10 and working on 6,
just the php folks are too stupid to bring up their build system and 
workflow to a maintainable level.

One counter argument: rdf-api would be nice to have for a reasoner 
backend and query parser (owl export, sparql). They only support php5 
for these submodules and that would be hard to rewrite to work with php4 
also.

> ~swain
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> *From: *Larry Garfield <la...@ga... 
>> <mailto:la...@ga...>>
>> *Date: *July 10, 2007 10:36:40 PM EDT
>> *To: *Bharat Mediratta <bh...@me... <mailto:bh...@me...>>
>> *Cc: *gal...@li... 
>> <mailto:gal...@li...>
>> *Subject: **Re: [Gallery-devel] The PHP 5 revolution*
>>
>> Hi again, Bharat.  It's not quite the list you had before, but does 30 
>> projects and 50+ web hosts count as "critical mass"?
>>
>> http://gophp5.org/projects
>> http://gophp5.org/hosts
>>
>> That's also not counting web hosts that offer PHP 5 as an option but 
>> not the 
>> default.  
>>
>> I'm actually rather surprised myself at how much steam this has picked 
>> up.  I 
>> don't know if you follow php-internals at all, but they're actively 
>> discussing dropping PHP 4 support completely within the next year.  
>>
>> Is this something Gallery could get behind at this point?
>>
>> On Sunday 01 July 2007, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>> Larry,
>>>
>>> How's this progressing?  Andy pointed out that we should focus on the
>>> high profile php4-only projects like ezPublish.  Serious hosts that
>>> offer php4 only today will offer both versions when the pressure is on,
>>> but it would help if there were less pressure to keep php4 around...
>>>
>>> -Bharat
>>>
>>> Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>> Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>>> Thanks, Bharat.  I can understand your position, certainly.  What
>>>>> would you consider "critical mass"?  Shear number or some number of
>>>>> "big" projects (for some definition of big) or...?
>>>>
>>>> Good question :-)  I think that we'd want to see the majority of the
>>>> best-of-breed applications in various different webapp categories
>>>> support this.
>>>>
>>>> Here are lists of apps that our affiliate web hosts support:
>>>>     http://partners.powweb.com/powweb/autoInstalls.bml
>>>>     http://wiki.dreamhost.com/One_Click_Installs
>>>>
>>>> And we'd want the top 3 hosts here to support PHP5 (I think that they
>>>> already do, but it wouldn't hurt to get them on the list):
>>>>     http://gallery.menalto.com/wiki/Web_Hosting_Referral_Page
>>>>
>>>> If you can get 50% of those apps on board, I think that would be more
>>>> than enough.
>>>>
>>>>> As for advertising, I don't believe we're planning any sort of real
>>>>> advertising.  This isn't a money-making venture by any means. :-)  We
>>>>> plan to have a page/link for web hosts that offer 5.2 out of the box,
>>>>> just as we'll list projects that are targeting 5.2, as an added
>>>>> incentive for hosts to get on board; they get to appear
>>>>> "future-friendly".  That's as close to advertising as we plan to get,
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.  That's what I figured, but I wanted to make sure that we were
>>>> clear :-)
>>>>
>>>> -Bharat

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