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From: CPTEOS <cp...@ne...> - 2003-07-09 15:09:13
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Hi developers, How to modify pagemaster best to manage 2 or more images in a sections-template properly. (My rudimental efforts failed) THX EO |
From: CPTEOS <cp...@ne...> - 2003-07-09 12:26:23
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Hi developers, Is there any way in 9.2.1 to stick created Blocks not only to modules, but to determine what block will be shown dependent on the page (e.g. in pagemaster) or announcement or any element of any module that is shown active. THX EO |
From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2003-07-07 12:23:56
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> I think it will be cool to change the theme on a page by page basis > also if the user wanted to. Planned for 0.9.4. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 phpwebsite.appstate.edu ess.appstate.edu |
From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2003-07-07 12:20:16
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> I've figured out a way to let modules change Layout's metatags on a "per > page view" basis. I'd like to hear what you guys think. I think this a good idea. I will incorporate these abilities in the 0.9.4 version of Layout. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 phpwebsite.appstate.edu ess.appstate.edu |
From: Richard S. <ri...@ri...> - 2003-07-07 01:51:27
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I like this idea too hehe +1 for Eloi On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 02:39 PM, Eloi George wrote: > I figured out how to make "lay_quiet" work! > > In /mod/layout/class/layout.php, delete lines 286 & 287: > if (isset($_REQUEST["lay_quiet"]) && $_REQUEST["lay_quiet"] == 1) > return; > > > Then replace line 307: > if (!isset($GLOBALS[$content_var]) || > !is_array($GLOBALS[$content_var])) > > with this: > if (!isset($GLOBALS[$content_var]) || > !is_array($GLOBALS[$content_var]) > || (isset($_REQUEST["lay_quiet"]) && > $GLOBALS['module']!=substr($content_var,4))) > > > And that's it! > NOTE: The line numbers listed above are for -before- you've applied my > "meta_vars" hack. > > -Eloi- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/direct;at.asp_061203_01/ > 01 > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > |
From: Richard S. <ri...@ri...> - 2003-07-07 01:51:26
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I personally think thats great and should be implemented :-) I think it will be cool to change the theme on a page by page basis also if the user wanted to. I want to develop a site with different categories and would like the ability to change the look and feel of the site depending on the category they are in. I think it will be a great and unique feature of they CMS that no other one has so far but it's just an idea. What do you guys think? Anyways.... +1 for Eloi On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Eloi George wrote: > I've figured out a way to let modules change Layout's metatags on a > "per page view" basis. I'd like to hear what you guys think. I > didn't have it manage the title tag because there's already a > $GLOBALS['Layout_title'] to handle that, but for code conformity it > can be easily modified to handle that as well. > > USAGE: Just assign desired tag contents to the appropriate array > element. It'll clean up after itself. > EXAMPLE: $_SESSION['OBJ_layout']->meta_vars['meta_description'] = > 'This is the best CMS in the world!'; > > -Eloi George- > > In /mod/layout/class/layout.php add the following at line 211: > > /** > * Content array for "one time only" meta tags specified by modules > * > * @var string > * @access private > */ > var $meta_vars; > > then replace function getMetaTags with this one: > > function getMetaTags(){ > $metatags = "<meta name=\"generator\" content=\"phpWebSite\" />\n"; > > if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_keywords'])) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"keywords\" > content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_keywords']."\" />\n"; > elseif ($this->meta_keywords) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"keywords\" > content=\"".$this->meta_keywords."\" />\n"; > > if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_description'])) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"description\" > content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_description']."\" />\n"; > elseif ($this->meta_description) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"description\" > content=\"".$this->meta_description."\" />\n"; > > if ($this->meta_robots){ > switch ($this->meta_robots){ > case "00": > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, nofollow\" > />\n"; > break; > > case "01": > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow\" > />\n"; > break; > > case "10": > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, nofollow\" > />\n"; > break; > > case "11": > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow\" />\n"; > break; > } > } > > if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_author'])) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"author\" > content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_author']."\" />\n"; > elseif ($this->meta_author) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"author\" > content=\"".$this->meta_author."\" />\n"; > > if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_owner'])) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"owner\" > content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_owner']."\" />\n"; > elseif ($this->meta_owner) > $metatags .= "<meta name=\"owner\" > content=\"".$this->meta_owner."\" />\n"; > > if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_content'])) > $metatags .= "<meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" > content=\"text/html; charset=" . $this->meta_vars['meta_content']."\" > />\n"; > elseif ($this->meta_content) > $metatags .= "<meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" > content=\"text/html; charset=" . $this->meta_content."\" />\n"; > > /* Erase the temporary tags */ > $this->meta_vars = array(); > return $metatags; > } > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/direct;at.asp_061203_01/ > 01 > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > |
From: Eloi G. <el...@re...> - 2003-07-06 21:39:36
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I figured out how to make "lay_quiet" work! In /mod/layout/class/layout.php, delete lines 286 & 287: if (isset($_REQUEST["lay_quiet"]) && $_REQUEST["lay_quiet"] == 1) return; Then replace line 307: if (!isset($GLOBALS[$content_var]) || !is_array($GLOBALS[$content_var])) with this: if (!isset($GLOBALS[$content_var]) || !is_array($GLOBALS[$content_var]) || (isset($_REQUEST["lay_quiet"]) && $GLOBALS['module']!=substr($content_var,4))) And that's it! NOTE: The line numbers listed above are for -before- you've applied my "meta_vars" hack. -Eloi- |
From: Eloi G. <el...@re...> - 2003-07-06 16:46:04
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I've figured out a way to let modules change Layout's metatags on a "per page view" basis. I'd like to hear what you guys think. I didn't have it manage the title tag because there's already a $GLOBALS['Layout_title'] to handle that, but for code conformity it can be easily modified to handle that as well. USAGE: Just assign desired tag contents to the appropriate array element. It'll clean up after itself. EXAMPLE: $_SESSION['OBJ_layout']->meta_vars['meta_description'] = 'This is the best CMS in the world!'; -Eloi George- In /mod/layout/class/layout.php add the following at line 211: /** * Content array for "one time only" meta tags specified by modules * * @var string * @access private */ var $meta_vars; then replace function getMetaTags with this one: function getMetaTags(){ $metatags = "<meta name=\"generator\" content=\"phpWebSite\" />\n"; if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_keywords'])) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"keywords\" content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_keywords']."\" />\n"; elseif ($this->meta_keywords) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"keywords\" content=\"".$this->meta_keywords."\" />\n"; if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_description'])) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"description\" content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_description']."\" />\n"; elseif ($this->meta_description) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"description\" content=\"".$this->meta_description."\" />\n"; if ($this->meta_robots){ switch ($this->meta_robots){ case "00": $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, nofollow\" />\n"; break; case "01": $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow\" />\n"; break; case "10": $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, nofollow\" />\n"; break; case "11": $metatags .= "<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow\" />\n"; break; } } if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_author'])) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"author\" content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_author']."\" />\n"; elseif ($this->meta_author) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"author\" content=\"".$this->meta_author."\" />\n"; if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_owner'])) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"owner\" content=\"".$this->meta_vars['meta_owner']."\" />\n"; elseif ($this->meta_owner) $metatags .= "<meta name=\"owner\" content=\"".$this->meta_owner."\" />\n"; if (isset($this->meta_vars['meta_content'])) $metatags .= "<meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text/html; charset=" . $this->meta_vars['meta_content']."\" />\n"; elseif ($this->meta_content) $metatags .= "<meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text/html; charset=" . $this->meta_content."\" />\n"; /* Erase the temporary tags */ $this->meta_vars = array(); return $metatags; } |
From: Richard S. <ri...@ri...> - 2003-07-05 03:02:36
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Hope you guys are enjoying the beer and hot dogs! |
From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2003-07-04 18:07:26
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> seems that a lot of language-stuff is hard-coded in english, e.g. the > control-panel descriptions. Will there be a multi-language soft-coding > later on? What can we do to prepare? The control panel description will be fixed in the next release. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 phpwebsite.appstate.edu ess.appstate.edu |
From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2003-07-04 17:56:12
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> $form->add("whatever", "text", "something something"); > $form->setWidth("whatever", 100); > $form->setHeight("whatever", 100); That should have read: > $form->add("whatever", "textarea", "something something"); You can add width and height to a text field, though the height variable is kind of useless. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 phpwebsite.appstate.edu ess.appstate.edu |
From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2003-07-04 17:52:24
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I added the width and height feature to EZform today. It adds a style parameter to the form element. This allows the text area or text field to follow the size of the browser. Here is the format. $form = new PHPWS_Form; $form->add("whatever", "text", "something something"); $form->setWidth("whatever", 100); $form->setHeight("whatever", 100); echo $form->get("whatever") If width is assigned, it will overwrite columns set for text areas. If height is assigned, it will overwrite rows. If someone would like to test if this is XHMTL compliant, that would be great. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 phpwebsite.appstate.edu ess.appstate.edu |
From: CPTEOS <cp...@ne...> - 2003-07-04 11:15:03
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Hi, seems that a lot of language-stuff is hard-coded in english, e.g. the control-panel descriptions. Will there be a multi-language soft-coding later on? What can we do to prepare? -- How to do best Multi-Language Sites, -Articles etc. THX EO |
From: <ad...@tu...> - 2003-07-03 16:37:42
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Go into the help module and reload the help for calendar. That should fix it Adam > > Work in Progress ... > > How to fix this error-message the best way. > > show_link could not locate a help label 'noImage' for the 'calendar' > module. > > It appears in since 9.21. installation. > > Who can help? > > THX > > EO > -- Adam Morton Developer - Electronic Student Services http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu Founder - Appalachian Linux Users Group http://alug.appstate.edu |
From: CPTEOS <cp...@ne...> - 2003-07-03 12:43:18
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Maybe a newbie-question, but does it make sense to expand the 3:3 Matrix below in cols and rows to e.g 4:4 or 5:5 1:1 (left_col_top) 2:1 (top) 3:1 (right_col_top) 1:2 (left_col_mid) 2:2 (body) 3:2 (right_col_mid) 1:3 (left_col_bottom) 2:3 (bottom) 3:3 (right_col_bottom) Can phpws manage this. Anyway, how can I best break through the standard layouts, maybe in this way I know it from postnuke by multi-centerblocks etc. THX EO |
From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2003-07-03 12:16:06
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> forgive the spelling , its a work in > program, i have CS degree not an english degree. It's ok. I have an English degree not a CS degree :) So my code gets corrected alot ;) > Anyway seems like phpwebsite has too many sources of communication. > There is the forum and the mailing list and irc channels i am a big > confused. Where is development discussed ? Quick issues are usually solved in the chat room irc: freenode.net. #phpwebsite Greater issues are posted to the developer's list. Usually these require greater thought and lots of typing. > I am also confused who the developers are. Are they people from all over > the internet or just people from this university? Who sets the roadmat > and makes design desitions? The core developers work for Appalachian State University. Although we steer the ship we usually communicate with other module developers and those in the know about web technology for guidance. > Anyway i have many ideas about what a CMS should be but i dont want to > make this a very long email. No problem. Post to the Feature Requests list at Sourceforge. It is kinda quiet there for now but we will tackle the list next week after our 0.9.4 meetings. > Also I have a cool idea for a module. I think i can pull it off. Whats > the process for getting it into phpwebsite ? Come to the chat room and speak with Mike (mhnoyes) or Adam (atom_). They can tell you about phpwebsite-comm. It can help you get started. Welcome aboard and we hope to hear more from you. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 phpwebsite.appstate.edu ess.appstate.edu |
From: felix z. <fe...@st...> - 2003-07-03 03:37:10
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Hello I am new to phpwebsite, I discovered it from freshmeat because I wanted to start a personal site where i can pulish content. I think its great by the way. For the sake of bravity i post my link to my new site http://students.poly.edu/~felix/ forgive the spelling , its a work in program, i have CS degree not an english degree. I have some background in CMS, i stared with phpnuke (which is horandous) then i was looking for something nicer and stubled uppon xoops www.xoops.org which is another great CMS but it seems to have different goals then phpwebsite. I been a beta tester for Xoops v2, i seem to have a knack for finding things wrong with software, I already posted some problems i found with phpwebsite. Anyway seems like phpwebsite has too many sources of communication. There is the forum and the mailing list and irc channels i am a big confused. Where is development discussed ? I am also confused who the developers are. Are they people from all over the internet or just people from this university? Who sets the roadmat and makes design desitions? Anyway i have many ideas about what a CMS should be but i dont want to make this a very long email. Also I have a cool idea for a module. I think i can pull it off. Whats the process for getting it into phpwebsite ? By the way iam not student actualy i just graduated. I still have legacy email though. Felix Zaslavskiy fe...@st... |
From: Richard S. <ri...@ri...> - 2003-07-02 19:49:08
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The moduleLink method works for me. On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 05:28 AM, ad...@tu... wrote: > EO, > > I would suggest making a page template containing the information you > wish > to link to. Then as you create a page you can select the template with > the information instead of re-writing it again. It may even be better > to > create a section template for the same purpose in case you want the > information to show up in the middle of the page. > > Adam > >> Same procedure as every day ... >> >> You have to link the same stuff (e.g. contact) in a lot of pages all >> over the site. How to do this best without handwriting. A solution to >> this problem can be very helful Think about one single handwrited link >> will change in a hundred text sections. How to manage this best? Can a >> Autolink-Module help? >> >> THX >> >> EO >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including >> Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. >> Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. >> http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/ >> direct;at.asp_061203_01/01 >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> > > > -- > Adam Morton > Developer - Electronic Student Services > http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu > Founder - Appalachian Linux Users Group > http://alug.appstate.edu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/direct;at.asp_061203_01/ > 01 > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > |
From: <ad...@tu...> - 2003-07-02 12:29:59
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EO, I would suggest making a page template containing the information you wish to link to. Then as you create a page you can select the template with the information instead of re-writing it again. It may even be better to create a section template for the same purpose in case you want the information to show up in the middle of the page. Adam > Same procedure as every day ... > > You have to link the same stuff (e.g. contact) in a lot of pages all > over the site. How to do this best without handwriting. A solution to > this problem can be very helful Think about one single handwrited link > will change in a hundred text sections. How to manage this best? Can a > Autolink-Module help? > > THX > > EO > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/direct;at.asp_061203_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > -- Adam Morton Developer - Electronic Student Services http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu Founder - Appalachian Linux Users Group http://alug.appstate.edu |
From: CPTEOS <cp...@ne...> - 2003-07-02 11:11:42
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Same procedure as every day ... You have to link the same stuff (e.g. contact) in a lot of pages all over the site. How to do this best without handwriting. A solution to this problem can be very helful Think about one single handwrited link will change in a hundred text sections. How to manage this best? Can a Autolink-Module help? THX EO |
From: CPTEOS <cp...@ne...> - 2003-07-02 11:01:48
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Hi, building forms with PhatFormGen I want to send the data not only to archive but also to multiple (maybe also selectable) emailaccounts. How to do this the best way? THX EO |
From: CPTEOS <cp...@ne...> - 2003-07-02 10:54:41
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Work in Progress ... How to fix this error-message the best way. show_link could not locate a help label 'noImage' for the 'calendar' module. It appears in since 9.21. installation. Who can help? THX EO |
From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2003-06-30 20:22:33
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> Objects should be faster and better however PHP 5 is not expected to be > released till about a year from now. I hope phpWebsite 9.4 will be > before then? Heh yes it should be. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University Phone: 828-262-6493 phpwebsite.appstate.edu ess.appstate.edu |
From: Jeremy A. <ja...@tu...> - 2003-06-30 18:44:00
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I have compiled a cvs of php5 and tried it. Little to say it defines the term "cvs is not stable". the phpwebsite/setup runs(loose term) but the Core just segfaults apache. My guess is ether an error in code(php5) or some error checking has not been written yet to tell me what the hell happened. Any way not a big deal but i figured someone might want to know. O yes, the horde/chora(our cvs viewer) didn't work either. :( > Objects should be faster and better however PHP 5 is not expected to be > released till about a year from now. I hope phpWebsite 9.4 will be > before then? > > > On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 04:57 AM, Matthew McNaney wrote: > >> Quote: >> >> The drawback of this method was that semantically the whole object was >> copied when a variable was assigned, or pass as a parameter to a >> method. >> In the new approach, objects are referenced by handle, and not by value >> (one can think of a handle as an object's identifier). >> >> Joy! Not only will 0.9.4 be written better but hopefully OO speed will >> increase as well. phpWebSite shall rule! >> >> ;) >> >> Matt >> >> >> >>> http://www.php.net/zend-engine-2.php >>> >>> First thing I noticed is they actually have private/protected/public >>> declarations now. It's looking a lot like java more and more. >>> >>> Don. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including >>> Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. >>> Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. >>> http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/ >>> direct;at.asp_061203_01/01 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >>> Php...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including >> Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. >> Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. >> http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/direct;at.asp_061203_01/ >> 01 >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/direct;at.asp_061203_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > -- Jeremy Agee phpWebSite Development Team (http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu) Appalachian State University SF.net id: jagee or 94756 |
From: Richard S. <ri...@ri...> - 2003-06-30 17:49:21
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Btw, are changes you made in the CVS specifically for 9.3 or should it be compatable with 9.2??? Thanks Matt On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:51 AM, Richard Sumilang wrote: > Thanks Matt for the quick turn around time, that counts a lot ;-) > > > On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 05:21 AM, Matthew McNaney wrote: > >>>> So anyways, my question to you >>>> guys, is this going to be handled anytime soon so developers wont >>>> have >>>> to do this each time for sites that have a few more image references >>>> than others? >> >> OK hoss. I have changed these to relative links and it worked (GASP!) >> in >> Netscape 4.74. >> >> Committing it to CVS. >> >> Matt >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including >> Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. >> Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. >> http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/ >> direct;at.asp_061203_01/01 >> _______________________________________________ >> Phpwebsite-developers mailing list >> Php...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100006ave/direct;at.asp_061203_01/ > 01 > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > |