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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-17 13:06:58
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On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 04:33, Jeremy Agee wrote: > Just to let everyone know i should be setting the syncmail cvs stuff up this > comming week so stay tuned. Thanks for the cvs/stats info Mike! Jeremy, This is great news. :-) After you get syncmail setup, you'll need to open a SF support request to enable the commits list. By default they are disabled. Also, I'd mention that you're not using the SF cvs server, and you'd like to have commit messages count toward project stats. ref. last paragraph in: Introduction to SourceForge.net Project CVS Services https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=768&group_id=1 -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Jeremy A. <ja...@tu...> - 2002-05-17 11:34:11
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Just to let everyone know i should be setting the syncmail cvs stuff up this comming week so stay tuned. Thanks for the cvs/stats info Mike! > Jeremy, > I forgot the exception to the rule below. CVS commits lists are handled > differently to ensure that double counting doesn't happen. I infer from > this information that you may be able to get phpWS cvs commits counted > by opening a syncmail cvs commits list. Just another plug for a phpWS > cvs commits list. > > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:05, Mike Noyes wrote: >> On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 00:28, Jeremy Agee wrote: >> > > I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure >> > > away. >> > >> > I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of >> > sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in >> > the top of the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs >> > at SF so we already take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The >> > forums average into this stats system also. >> >> Jeremy, >> Mailing list archives will have the same effect on project stats as >> forums do now. I've been told by the SF staff that the mechanism to do >> this is already in place. It will be turned on when the SF mailing >> list archive finishes its beta period. -- Jeremy Agee phpWebSite Development Team (http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu) Appalachian State University phpEasyAdmin (http://easyadmin.sourceforge.net) |
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From: Bob T. <bo...@el...> - 2002-05-16 19:29:23
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I replied, in private email to Alex: "Your rant >> /dev/null" Since Alex decided to forward my private email to everyone, I want to add a few thoughts. I did not want to subject people on this list to a pointless argument. I'm not going to try to respond to Alex now either, but it is not because I am in some "castle of arrogance". It is because I didn't see any way that I could respond to his message in a constructive manner. I wish you all the best with phpWebSite. From now on I will stay out of all discussions, bug reports, development work and forums and just concentrate on cms-bridge. Bob Treumann -- Bob Treumann, 651-603-1245 Elmwood Solutions Inc. (St. Paul, Minnesota) bo...@el... http://www.elmwood.com ORACLE Business Alliance Program Member |
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From: Matthew M. <ma...@tu...> - 2002-05-16 19:00:59
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> We seem to have this weird problem where the supplied picture for the > Main Page keeps coming back. I haven't been able to duplicate it > exactly. There is some goofiness with the picture upload. Before 0.8.2 I was scrambling to get mainpage and userpage to work after some code changes. It SEEMED to work properly but I don't doubt you when you say it could be doing as you described. I will try to duplicate it, but if you can offer steps to do so, that would be super. > P. S. We have a wonderful community here. Anyway, I hope that > we can maintain the cordial atmosphere that we have always had in this > development group. GS I agree. Without taking sides on the problems we are currently experiencing I will say this: keep the arguments in private email. There is no reason to air grievances within the public forum. Let's keep it professional. Although I respect and appreciate the abilities of our developers, my patience is thinning. Matthew McNaney Internet Systems Architect Electronic Student Services Email: ma...@tu... URL: http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu Phone: 828-262-6493 ICQ: 141057403 |
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From: spiggy <th...@me...> - 2002-05-16 18:45:19
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there is a hack for this.. works pretty well too. available from http://phpwsplugins.sourceforge.net/ On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 13:55, Geoff Staples wrote: > Has anyone thought about allowing pictures to be uploaded for announcements > as they are for web pages? > > Perhaps this a feature that should only be available when announcements are > created by an admin. > > This can be accomplished now by using the file manager and then writing > some html to link in the picture. > > I'm thinking about writing something to support this since it seems to be a > common issue for the websites that I support. > > So, I'm curious about your thoughts on this before I do anything. > > Geoff > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We supply > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: ban...@so... > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers > > |
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From: Alessandro P. (T. / J578) <al...@ti...> - 2002-05-16 18:04:03
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On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 19:51, Geoff Staples wrote: > P. S. We have a wonderful community here. I was involved with phpNuke at > one time and left there because the folks over there lived for the > opportunity to be obnoxious and abusive to other participants. One time, I > was attacked because I set up a website for a web hosting company using > phpNuke as the framework. I was told that I was a f**king idiot for using > phpNuke for such a thing. Anyway, I hope that we can maintain the cordial > atmosphere that we have always had in this development group. GS Geoff...if you're referring to my debacle with Bob, don't worry: since he seems to be locked up in his castle of arrogance,since he seems he want to ignore me and since i've my own fork of phpWebSite i won't bother developers-ML anymore. i apologize for the inconvenience. Alessandro -- Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087 "I will carry you through, kicking and screaming, and in the end you will thank me" - Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"] |
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From: Geoff S. <ge...@ho...> - 2002-05-16 17:55:51
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Has anyone thought about allowing pictures to be uploaded for announcements as they are for web pages? Perhaps this a feature that should only be available when announcements are created by an admin. This can be accomplished now by using the file manager and then writing some html to link in the picture. I'm thinking about writing something to support this since it seems to be a common issue for the websites that I support. So, I'm curious about your thoughts on this before I do anything. Geoff |
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From: Geoff S. <ge...@ho...> - 2002-05-16 17:51:42
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We seem to have this weird problem where the supplied picture for the Main Page keeps coming back. I haven't been able to duplicate it exactly. When you delete the supplied picture and put your own picture up, it appears to work, but you may have to do it a couple of times. Once you have your picture up on the page correctly, if you edit the main page, the supplied picture magically returns, even though you thought that it was deleted. I'll look further into this if no one else know what is happening here. Geoff P. S. We have a wonderful community here. I was involved with phpNuke at one time and left there because the folks over there lived for the opportunity to be obnoxious and abusive to other participants. One time, I was attacked because I set up a website for a web hosting company using phpNuke as the framework. I was told that I was a f**king idiot for using phpNuke for such a thing. Anyway, I hope that we can maintain the cordial atmosphere that we have always had in this development group. GS |
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From: Alessandro P. (T. / J578) <al...@ti...> - 2002-05-16 15:09:22
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as expected. this perfectly describe the person you are. Alessandro -- Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087 "I will carry you through, kicking and screaming, and in the end you will thank me" - Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"] |
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From: Alessandro P. (T. / J578) <al...@ti...> - 2002-05-16 14:13:31
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Bob, another couple of thing: 1) i'm not a baby with no programming practice at all: i usually KNOW what i'm doing 2) your assumption that others (and expecially me) are always WRONG by default is becoming more and more irritating. 3) please DROP both you arrogance and weapons against me immediately: i'm getting really annoyed of you. believe me. Thank you. -- Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087 "I will carry you through, kicking and screaming, and in the end you will thank me" - Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"] |
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From: Alessandro P. (T. / J578) <al...@ti...> - 2002-05-16 13:59:36
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On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 14:58, Bob T wrote: > Did you preserve the ability to run it in test mode and skip the > tarring? It looks to me like the "test" parameter will not work > with the -win32 parameter, because the "mode" is assumed to be > parameter two. In case you haven't used it, the "test" parameter > prevents the creation of the tar file, so all you have to do is move > the directory, without untarring. if you check the code you may notice this: if [ "$1" - "-win32" ]; then ... do things ... shift 1 please note the "shift 1" line: it will make things become as the -win32 parameter was never given, making the 2nd argument become the first and so on; so, yes, your "test" option is preserved. please *always* look at code before, instead of starting thinking changes I do are breaking things (as you *usually* do with me). Alessandro -- Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087 "I will carry you through, kicking and screaming, and in the end you will thank me" - Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"] |
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From: Bob T <bo...@el...> - 2002-05-16 12:49:03
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Did you preserve the ability to run it in test mode and skip the tarring? It looks to me like the "test" parameter will not work with the -win32 parameter, because the "mode" is assumed to be parameter two. In case you haven't used it, the "test" parameter prevents the creation of the tar file, so all you have to do is move the directory, without untarring. On 16 May 2002 at 11:06, Pisani (TXM / J578) wrote: > Hi all, > i've just committed changes to makedistro.sh and readme.win32 to make > users life on win32 easier with gsort/sort and gfind/find. > users on win32 now have not to hand-edit makedistro.sh anymore, they are > only needed to run makedistro.sh with the new -win32 flag: > makedistro.sh -win32 xx (where xx is the language) > > please note that the flag use is completely transparent on unix/linux > systems: on those systems makedistro.sh calling convenction still remain > the old one: makedistro.sh xx > > Bye, > Alessandro > > -- > Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087 > > "I will carry you through, kicking and screaming, > and in the end you will thank me" > - Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"] > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We supply > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: ban...@so... > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers |
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From: Alessandro P. (T. / J578) <al...@ti...> - 2002-05-16 09:08:05
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Hi all, i've just committed changes to makedistro.sh and readme.win32 to make users life on win32 easier with gsort/sort and gfind/find. users on win32 now have not to hand-edit makedistro.sh anymore, they are only needed to run makedistro.sh with the new -win32 flag: makedistro.sh -win32 xx (where xx is the language) please note that the flag use is completely transparent on unix/linux systems: on those systems makedistro.sh calling convenction still remain the old one: makedistro.sh xx Bye, Alessandro -- Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087 "I will carry you through, kicking and screaming, and in the end you will thank me" - Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"] |
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From: Alessandro P. (T. / J578) <al...@ti...> - 2002-05-14 13:29:23
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Hi all,
Shaun Murray sent me this additions to our upload code in phpWS 0.8.x,
i'm fwd'ing it so the list so code owners could eventually merge his
additions.
Bye,
Alessandro
--- Fwd starts here ---
Hi, I was just browsing through the developers mailing list for
phpwebsite and came across a post of yours about file uploads.
I hacked the old calendar picture upload code out some time ago and
perhaps this is useful.
I have two versions, one for uploading images which produces an image
tag so our 'normal' non-techy journos can paste in images and another
that produces a link to a PDF file including an icon. Typically we
sit with two windows open. One to post images and the other writing
stories. I add links to the two upload tools in the admin menus. Not
fancy but it works for us. I'm sure there's a better way of doing it
in one file with icon selecting and image sizes in the tags etc.
I still don't allow uploads for users.
<?
/*************************************************************************************************************************
** uploadimage.php - uploads a file to the server
**
**************************************************************************************************************************
** Unfortunately, I do not know the originator of this code. For the
calendar, it assists with transferring
** a graphic from the admin's hard drive to the server. It also allows
you to pick whether all admin
** options have access to these graphics. I was planning to have
multiple layers of admin status but
** I have not coded yet. The graphic limits were put in to facilitate
this.
**
** Author: Matthew McNaney
**
**************************************************************************************************************************/
if(!isset($mainfile)) { include("mainfile.php"); }
include("open_session.php");
include("auth.inc.php");
include("header.php");
include("config.php");
require("fileupload.class");
if($admintest) echo "<div style=\"text-align : center\"><a
href=\"admin.php\">Back to Admin Menu</a></div><br />";
?>
<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" width="100%">
<tr><td class="type4">Upload File to Image directory (ie. /i)
</td></tr><tr>
<td class="type5">Once uploaded, image can be inserted into stories as
<b><img
src="../i/pic.jpg>"</b><br>
<?
#--------------------------------#
# Variables
#--------------------------------#
// The name of the file field in your form.
$FILENAME = "userfile";
// ACCEPT mode - if you only want to accept
// a certain type of file.
// possible file types that PHP recognizes includes:
//
// OPTIONS INCLUDE:
// text/plain
// image/gif
// image/jpeg
// image/png
// $ACCEPT = "image/gif";
// If no extension is supplied, and the browser or PHP
// can not figure out what type of file it is, you can
// add a default extension - like ".jpg" or ".txt"
$EXTENSION = "";
// SAVE_MODE: if your are attempting to upload
// a file with the same name as another file in the
// $PATH directory
//
// OPTIONS:
// 1 = overwrite mode
// 2 = create new with incremental extention
// 3= do nothing if exists, highest protection
$SAVE_MODE = 2;
#--------------------------------#
# PHP
#--------------------------------#
function print_file($file, $type, $mode) {
if($file) {
if(ereg("image", $type)) {
echo " <img src=\"" . $file . "\" border=\"0\"
alt=\"\">";
}
else {
$userfile = fopen($file, "r");
while(!feof($userfile)) {
$line = fgets($userfile, 255);
switch($mode){
case 1:
echo $line;
break;
case 2:
echo str_replace("\n",
"<br />", (ereg_replace("\t",
" ", htmlentities($line))));
break;
}
}
}
}
}
$upload = new uploader;
$upload->max_filesize(100000);
$upload->max_image_size(400,400);
if($upload->upload("$FILENAME", "$ACCEPT", "$EXTENSION")) {
while(list($key, $var) = each($upload->file)){
echo $key . " = " . $var . "<br />";
}
if($upload->save_file("./i/", $SAVE_MODE)) {
print("<p>Saved as: ." . $upload->new_file . "<p>");
print_file($upload->new_file, $upload->file["type"], 2);
}
}
if($upload->errors) {
while(list($key, $var) = each($upload->errors)){
echo "<br />" . $var . "<br />";
}
}
if ($NEW_NAME) {
print("<p>Insert it into your story as<b><img border=\"1\"
src=\"../i/$NEW_NAME\"></b></p>");
}
#--------------------------------#
# HTML FORM
#--------------------------------#
if (!$NEW_NAME) {
echo "
<form enctype=\"multipart/form-data\" action=\"$PHP_SELF\"
method=\"POST\">
<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"MAX_FILE_SIZE\"
value=\"100000\" />
Send this file:
<input name=\"userfile\" type=\"file\" /><br /><br />
<input type=\"submit\" value=\"Send this file\" />
</form>
<br />
";
} else {
echo "
<a href=\"./uploadimage.php\">Upload Another File</a>
";
}
?>
<?
if ($ACCEPT) {
print("This form only accepts <span class=\"boldtext\">"
. $ACCEPT . "</span> files\n");
}
echo "</td></tr></table>";
include("footer.php");
?>
<?
/*************************************************************************************************************************
** uploadpdf.php - uploads a file to the server
**
**************************************************************************************************************************
** Unfortunately, I do not know the originator of this code. For the
calendar, it assists with transferring
** a graphic from the admin's hard drive to the server. It also allows
you to pick whether all admin
** options have access to these graphics. I was planning to have
multiple layers of admin status but
** I have not coded yet. The graphic limits were put in to facilitate
this.
**
** Author: Matthew McNaney
**
**************************************************************************************************************************/
if(!isset($mainfile)) { include("mainfile.php"); }
include("open_session.php");
include("auth.inc.php");
include("header.php");
include("config.php");
require("fileupload.class");
if($admintest) echo "<div style=\"text-align : center\"><a
href=\"admin.php\">Back to Admin Menu</a></div><br />";
?>
<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" width="100%">
<tr>
<td class="type4">Upload PDF File to docs directory (ie. /docs) </td>
</tr><tr>
<td class="type5">Once uploaded, doc can be inserted into stories as
<b><a
href="../docs/file.pdf"><img
align="middle" border="0"
src="../images/icons/pdficon.gif"</b>>Description</a><br>
<?
#--------------------------------#
# Variables
#--------------------------------#
// The name of the file field in your form.
$FILENAME = "userfile";
// ACCEPT mode - if you only want to accept
// a certain type of file.
// possible file types that PHP recognizes includes:
//
// OPTIONS INCLUDE:
// text/plain
// image/gif
// image/jpeg
// image/png
// $ACCEPT = "image/gif";
// If no extension is supplied, and the browser or PHP
// can not figure out what type of file it is, you can
// add a default extension - like ".jpg" or ".txt"
$EXTENSION = "";
// SAVE_MODE: if your are attempting to upload
// a file with the same name as another file in the
// $PATH directory
//
// OPTIONS:
// 1 = overwrite mode
// 2 = create new with incremental extention
// 3= do nothing if exists, highest protection
$SAVE_MODE = 2;
#--------------------------------#
# PHP
#--------------------------------#
function print_file($file, $type, $mode) {
if($file) {
if(ereg("image", $type)) {
echo "<img src=\"" . $file . "\" border=\"0\"
alt=\"\">";
}
else {
$userfile = fopen($file, "r");
while(!feof($userfile)) {
$line = fgets($userfile, 255);
switch($mode){
case 1:
echo $line;
break;
case 2:
echo str_replace("\n",
"<br />", (ereg_replace("\t",
" ", htmlentities($line))));
break;
}
}
}
}
}
$upload = new uploader;
$upload->max_filesize(500000);
if($upload->upload("$FILENAME", "$ACCEPT", "$EXTENSION")) {
while(list($key, $var) = each($upload->file)){
echo $key . " = " . $var . "<br />";
}
if($upload->save_file("./docs/", $SAVE_MODE)) {
print("<p>Saved as: ." . $upload->new_file . "<p>");
}
}
if($upload->errors) {
while(list($key, $var) = each($upload->errors)){
echo "<br />" . $var . "<br />";
}
}
if ($NEW_NAME) {
print("<p>Access it as <b><a
href="../docs/$NEW_NAME"><img
align="middle" border="0"
src=\"../images/icons/pdficon.gif\"</b>>$NEW_NAME</a></p>");
}
#--------------------------------#
# HTML FORM
#--------------------------------#
if (!$NEW_NAME) {
echo "
<form enctype=\"multipart/form-data\" action=\"$PHP_SELF\"
method=\"POST\">
<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"MAX_FILE_SIZE\"
value=\"500000\" />
Send this file:
<input name=\"userfile\" type=\"file\" /><br /><br />
<input type=\"submit\" value=\"Send this file\" />
</form>
<br />
";
} else {
echo "
<a href=\"./uploadpdf.php\">Upload Another File</a>
";
}
?>
<?
if ($ACCEPT) {
print("This form only accepts <span class=\"boldtext\">"
. $ACCEPT . "</span> files\n");
}
echo "</td></tr></table>";
include("footer.php");
?>
--
Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087
"I will carry you through, kicking and screaming,
and in the end you will thank me"
- Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"]
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From: Alessandro P. (T. / J578) <al...@ti...> - 2002-05-14 11:40:06
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Hi all, Jan Fisera sent me a big update of the cz translation for phpWS 0.8.2 which i've just committed into CVS. He also provided a new czw.pp file with cz translation for the Windows-1250 codepage instead of ISO-8859-2 : i committed it and modified makedistro.sh to take care of it also. Bye, Alessandro -- Alessandro "TXM" Pisani - alextxm at tin dot it - ICQ: #2209087 "I will carry you through, kicking and screaming, and in the end you will thank me" - Tyler Durden [from "Fight Club"] |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-11 13:54:33
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Jeremy, I forgot the exception to the rule below. CVS commits lists are handled differently to ensure that double counting doesn't happen. I infer from this information that you may be able to get phpWS cvs commits counted by opening a syncmail cvs commits list. Just another plug for a phpWS cvs commits list. On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 06:05, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 00:28, Jeremy Agee wrote: > > > I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. > > > > I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of > > sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in the top of > > the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs at SF so we already > > take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The forums average into this > > stats system also. > > Jeremy, > Mailing list archives will have the same effect on project stats as > forums do now. I've been told by the SF staff that the mechanism to do > this is already in place. It will be turned on when the SF mailing list > archive finishes its beta period. -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-11 13:04:34
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On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 00:28, Jeremy Agee wrote: > > I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. > > I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of > sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in the top of > the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs at SF so we already > take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The forums average into this > stats system also. Jeremy, Mailing list archives will have the same effect on project stats as forums do now. I've been told by the SF staff that the mechanism to do this is already in place. It will be turned on when the SF mailing list archive finishes its beta period. -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Jeremy A. <ja...@tu...> - 2002-05-11 07:28:56
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> I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. I figured this would be a good time to point out that each part of sourceforge helps our overall stats on SF. This helps keep us in the top of the development list. Now that said. We do not use cvs at SF so we already take a hit on the cvs stats we would earn. The forums average into this stats system also. -- Jeremy Agee phpWebSite Development Team (http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu) Appalachian State University phpEasyAdmin (http://easyadmin.sourceforge.net) |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-10 23:14:15
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On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 13:53, Philip McAllister wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 21:20, Bob T wrote: > > This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. > > > > I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should > > look at the activity on other threads for this list. > > See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 > > > > A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) > > replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of > > mailing lists. > > Partly due to the fact that the mails aren't threaded properly (note > that anything prepended by 'Re:' is marked as a separate thread) and > that the nature of the developer list is not based around discussion. > :-) Philip, You're correct. The SF mail archive is still beta quality. To see an example of a proper mailing list archive go here: http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-user%40lists.sourceforge.net/ -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Philip M. <ph...@li...> - 2002-05-10 20:53:49
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On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 21:20, Bob T wrote: > I don't see this as ideal at all. It means there is yet Another! > place to go. Sourcforge is far from perfect, but there are multiple > projects in the same place. and it is servicable. People know how > to use it, and it draws attention for the project. If you put > support and discussion someplace else, phpWS will get less exposure > and less participation, not more. I see no reason whatsoever why a mailing list would draw exposure away. > This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. > > I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should > look at the activity on other threads for this list. > See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 > > A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) > replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of > mailing lists. Partly due to the fact that the mails aren't threaded properly (note that anything prepended by 'Re:' is marked as a separate thread) and that the nature of the developer list is not based around discussion. :-) I've seen many mailing lists and newsgroups that spark plenty of discussion. It's mainly due to the people frequenting them rather than the medium itself. :-) I'm not knocking the concept of forums as a whole, and I'm not suggesting they be ditched. However, this thread has highlighted an issue that people obviously feel strongly about. The only thing I am advocating is that multiple points of access to the same discussion will reach more people and encourage greater participation. If Phorum does indeed have an email interface (in fact, it appears to have quite a well designed one with mailing list support), then there's no reason why that cannot theoretically be tied into a mailing list which can be tied into a newsgroup, thus catering for everyone :-) -- Philip McAllister <ph...@li...> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy" - Spike Milligan Milligan |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-10 20:39:33
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On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 13:20, Bob T wrote: > I don't see this as ideal at all. It means there is yet Another! > place to go. Sourcforge is far from perfect, but there are multiple > projects in the same place. and it is servicable. People know how > to use it, and it draws attention for the project. If you put > support and discussion someplace else, phpWS will get less exposure > and less participation, not more. > > This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. > > I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should > look at the activity on other threads for this list. > See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 > > A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) > > replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of > mailing lists. Bob, Brian has already stated that the forums will not close, or move to the SF hosted mailing lists. Since he is the phpWebSite project lead, I consider this matter closed. However, mailing lists do work. 3600+ messages posted to the LEAF project user list this year. 1000+ messages posted to the LEAF project devel list this year. https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=13751 -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Bob T <bo...@el...> - 2002-05-10 20:11:45
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I don't see this as ideal at all. It means there is yet Another! place to go. Sourcforge is far from perfect, but there are multiple projects in the same place. and it is servicable. People know how to use it, and it draws attention for the project. If you put support and discussion someplace else, phpWS will get less exposure and less participation, not more. This thread has been the busiest of any thread on the developer list. I suggest before you recommend the use of a mailing list, you should look at the activity on other threads for this list. See https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2618 A few emails have one (_1_) reply, the vast majority have zero (_0_) replies. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the effectiveness of mailing lists. BTW, There is a forum, http://www.phorum.org, that has built in support for a email-to-forum interface. On 10 May 2002 at 7:45, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 07:24, Philip McAllister wrote: > > You can set up a newsgroup and a mailing list and then run some gateway > > software to forward usenet posts to the mailing list and vice versa. > > Something like Mailman ( > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/features.html ) or news2mail would > > do the trick. > > > > If people *still* prefer web access, then there's always the option of > > using one of the many web-based usenet services out there. > > Philip, > This is an ideal solution. ASU can setup a nntp server (e.g. inn), and > enable Mailman's news gateway. > > Note: I don't think the nntp server should be connected to usenet. > > -- > Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > http://leaf-project.org/ > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We supply > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: ban...@so... > _______________________________________________ > Phpwebsite-developers mailing list > Php...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwebsite-developers ------- End of forwarded message ------- |
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From: Brian W. B. <br...@tu...> - 2002-05-10 17:15:10
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I have opened anonymous posts on the following Sourceforge
forums:
Help
Open Discussion
Plug-Ins
Language
While many good ideas have been put forward regarding this
topic, I still think the Sourceforge forums are adequate for
most people. The comment regarding anonymous posts was very
valid, and hence the change above :)
Regarding support in general, we really must rely on the
community to provide support. From what I have seen on the
forums, most people are friendly and most helpful. In fact,
some developers (e.g. Spiggy, et. al.) spend a great deal of
time answering questions there.
I sincerely hope that everyone understands that the core
developers (as employees of the University) cannot provide
support. We are paid to develop software for Appalachian, not
to provide tech support for the general population. That being
said, we do provide answers to many questions, and are
generally willing to provide as much help as we feel we
responsibly can. I do recognize that most people involved in
phpWebSite work on a volunteer basis. Please note that the
developers here at the University also invest a great deal of
free time in the project as well - we really do understand!
If support is a serious concern, I would invite the members of
our community to step forward to fill this void. Is someone
willing to setup a site dedicated to support, tips and tricks?
If so, please let me know. If such a site could provide usage
documentation and help for the general user, we would be
willing to provide space and bandwidth as well as limited
manpower toward this effort.
Thanks and kind regards,
Brian Brown
phpWebSite Project Manager
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Brian W. Brown
Director, Electronic Student Services
Student Development
Room 269, John Thomas Hall
Appalachian State University
Boone, NC 28608
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fax: 828-262-2585
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2002-05-10 15:15:29
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On Fri, 2002-05-10 at 08:04, Joel Kleppinger wrote: > The point is moot anyway. If there's a tech support mailing list created, > I won't join. Sorry for taking everyone's time/bandwidth. Joel, Would you use an nntp server for browsing topics/subjects if it were made available? -- Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ |
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From: Joel K. <jo...@kl...> - 2002-05-10 15:02:54
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At 07:52 AM 5/10/2002 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: >As for the 50 emails, you become very efficient at processing incoming >email. I already do. I have 7 folders that are automatically filtered to, even though I still average only around 40 email/day. I suppose I can't fathom the idea of somone -wanting- more email intentionally. I'd rather just browse through, and if something interests me, I'll do that, but if not continue on. The point is moot anyway. If there's a tech support mailing list created, I won't join. Sorry for taking everyone's time/bandwidth. Joel >-- >Mike Noyes <mh...@us...> >http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ >http://leaf-project.org/ |
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