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From: Ondrej J. <ne...@po...> - 2002-05-20 18:20:31
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Maxim, 19:37:40
20. maj 2002 (pondelok)
Greetings.
I recognize to make Slovak translation of phpWeather, but I have a
few problems. It seems to be impossible to make proper translation of report
only with existing translation array.
One example for all. I want to say when report was made in Slovak
language.
Report bol urobeny 1 hodinu a 1 minutu dozadu.
Report bol urobeny 2 hodiny a 2 minuty dozadu.
Report bol urobeny 5 hodin a 5 minut dozadu.
Report bol urobeny 22 hodin a 22 minut dozadu.
I hope you understand where is problem. Slovak traslations of words
``hour'' and ``minute'' depends on used number. In others fields is
situation similar.
Should I override pw_text methods or other solution should be used?
=Nepto=
____________________________________________________________________________
Ondrej 'Nepto' Jombik, http://www.nepto.sk/ ne...@at...
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From: Max H. <ma...@fl...> - 2002-05-20 18:49:12
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Hi, > I recognize to make Slovak translation of phpWeather, but I have a > few problems. It seems to be impossible to make proper > translation of report > only with existing translation array. > > One example for all. I want to say when report was made in Slovak > language. > > Report bol urobeny 1 hodinu a 1 minutu dozadu. > Report bol urobeny 2 hodiny a 2 minuty dozadu. > Report bol urobeny 5 hodin a 5 minut dozadu. > Report bol urobeny 22 hodin a 22 minut dozadu. > > I hope you understand where is problem. Slovak traslations of words > ``hour'' and ``minute'' depends on used number. In others fields is > situation similar. > > Should I override pw_text methods or other solution should be used? Yes, just override pw_text in pw_text_xy (i don't know the code for slovak!) - we designed it to make it easy for translators to do this. Cheers, Max |
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From: Martin G. <gim...@gi...> - 2002-05-20 18:57:27
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Ondrej Jombik <ne...@po...> writes:
> Maxim, 19:37:40
> 20. maj 2002 (pondelok)
> Greetings.
>=20
> I recognize to make Slovak translation of phpWeather,
Great!
> but I have a few problems. It seems to be impossible to make proper
> translation of report only with existing translation array.
>=20
> One example for all. I want to say when report was made in Slovak=20
> language.
>=20
> Report bol urobeny 1 hodinu a 1 minutu dozadu.
> Report bol urobeny 2 hodiny a 2 minuty dozadu.
> Report bol urobeny 5 hodin a 5 minut dozadu.
> Report bol urobeny 22 hodin a 22 minut dozadu.
>=20
> I hope you understand where is problem. Slovak traslations of
> words ``hour'' and ``minute'' depends on used number. In others
> fields is situation similar.
>=20
> Should I override pw_text methods or other solution should be used?
Yes, exactly. You would simply copy the function print_pretty_time
From=20pw_text.php to pw_text_sk.php and then you would be able to
change how the time is formatted.
You would probably have to change the
$minutes =3D sprintf($this->strings['time_minutes'],
$this->properties['mark_begin'],
$minutes,
$this->properties['mark_end']);
into something like this:
if ($minutes =3D=3D 1) {
$minutes =3D sprintf('a %s1%s minutu dozadu',
$this->properties['mark_begin'],
$this->properties['mark_end']);
} elseif ($minutes =3D=3D 2) {
$minutes =3D sprintf('a %s2%s minuty dozadu',
$this->properties['mark_begin'],
$this->properties['mark_end']);
} else {
$minutes =3D sprintf('a %s%s%s minuty dozadu',
$this->properties['mark_begin'],
$minutes,
$this->properties['mark_end']);
}
The same goes for the hours.
=2D-=20
Martin Geisler My GnuPG Key: 0xF7F6B57B
See my homepage at http://www.gimpster.com/ for:
PHP Weather =3D> Shows the current weather on your webpage.
PHP Shell =3D> A telnet-connection (almost :-) in a PHP page.
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From: Ondrej J. <ne...@po...> - 2002-05-21 15:24:42
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Maxim, 17:10:11
21. maj 2002 (utorok)
Greetings.
> > =09I hope you understand where is problem. Slovak traslations of
> > words ``hour'' and ``minute'' depends on used number. In others
> > fields is situation similar.
> > =09Should I override pw_text methods or other solution should be used?
> Yes, exactly. You would simply copy the function print_pretty_time
> From pw_text.php to pw_text_sk.php and then you would be able to
> change how the time is formatted.
> [... ...]
=09And what about this solution:
function print_pretty_wind($wind)
{
extract($wind);
if (! empty($meters_per_second)) {
if ($meters_per_second - floor($meters_per_second) > 0) {
$this->strings['meters_per_second'] =3D ' metra za sekundu';
}
elseif ($meters_per_second =3D=3D 1) {
$this->strings['meters_per_second'] =3D ' meter za sekundu';
}
elseif ($meters_per_second =3D=3D 2
|| $meters_per_second =3D=3D 3
|| $meters_per_second =3D=3D 4) {
$this->strings['meters_per_second'] =3D ' metre za sekundu';
}
}
if (! empty($miles_per_hour)) {
if ($miles_per_hour =3D=3D 1) {
$this->strings['miles_per_hour'] =3D ' m=ED=B5a za hodinu';
}
elseif ($miles_per_hour =3D=3D 2
|| $miles_per_hour =3D=3D 3
|| $miles_per_hour =3D=3D 4) {
$this->strings['miles_per_hour'] =3D ' m=EDle za hodinu';
}
}
return parent::print_pretty_wind($wind);
}
=09I tried it and it works. May it be? I think that parent:: calls are=20
nothing undesirable.
=09=3DNepto=3D
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From: Martin G. <gim...@gi...> - 2002-05-21 16:54:20
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Ondrej Jombik <ne...@po...> writes:
> And what about this solution:
There's a couple of problems, look below:
=20
> function print_pretty_wind($wind)
> {
> extract($wind);
>=20
> if (! empty($meters_per_second)) {
> if ($meters_per_second - floor($meters_per_second) > 0) {
> $this->strings['meters_per_second'] =3D ' metra za sekundu';
> }
> elseif ($meters_per_second =3D=3D 1) {
> $this->strings['meters_per_second'] =3D ' meter za sekundu';
> }
The windspeed doesn't have to be a whole number of meters per hour:
it's converted from a whole number of knots into meters/second and
miles/hour so it will not be a whole number after the conversion.
> elseif ($meters_per_second =3D=3D 2
> || $meters_per_second =3D=3D 3
> || $meters_per_second =3D=3D 4) {
> $this->strings['meters_per_second'] =3D ' metre za sekundu';
> }
What if the windspeed is more than 4 meters per second? Don't you miss
that case?
> }
> if (! empty($miles_per_hour)) {
> if ($miles_per_hour =3D=3D 1) {
> $this->strings['miles_per_hour'] =3D ' m=ED=B5a za hodinu';
> }
> elseif ($miles_per_hour =3D=3D 2
> || $miles_per_hour =3D=3D 3
> || $miles_per_hour =3D=3D 4) {
> $this->strings['miles_per_hour'] =3D ' m=EDle za hodinu';
> }
> }
>=20
> return parent::print_pretty_wind($wind);
Ahh - very clever! :-) At first I didn't understand what you were
trying to do, but now I see it - pretty cool. There should probably be
a little comment that explains it to others...=20
=2D-=20
Martin Geisler My GnuPG Key: 0xF7F6B57B
See my homepage at http://www.gimpster.com/ for:
PHP Weather =3D> Shows the current weather on your webpage.
PHP Shell =3D> A telnet-connection (almost :-) in a PHP page.
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From: Max H. <ma...@fl...> - 2002-05-21 20:35:38
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> > elseif ($meters_per_second == 2
> > || $meters_per_second == 3
> > || $meters_per_second == 4) {
> > $this->strings['meters_per_second'] = ' metre za sekundu';
> > }
Can I suggest that you use switch {} statements instead? It might be simpler
to see and understand...
Max
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From: Ondrej J. <ne...@po...> - 2002-05-22 11:43:22
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Pauli, 13:39:20
22. maj 2002 (streda)
Greetings.
> > function print_pretty_wind($wind)
> > {
> > extract($wind);
> >
> > if (! empty($meters_per_second)) {
> > if ($meters_per_second - floor($meters_per_second) > 0) {
> > $this->strings['meters_per_second'] = ' metra za sekundu';
> > }
> > elseif ($meters_per_second == 1) {
> > $this->strings['meters_per_second'] = ' meter za sekundu';
> > }
> The windspeed doesn't have to be a whole number of meters per hour:
> it's converted from a whole number of knots into meters/second and
> miles/hour so it will not be a whole number after the conversion.
Numbers which are not whole are handled in first 'if' case.
> > elseif ($meters_per_second == 2
> > || $meters_per_second == 3
> > || $meters_per_second == 4) {
> > $this->strings['meters_per_second'] = ' metre za sekundu';
> > }
> What if the windspeed is more than 4 meters per second? Don't you miss
> that case?
No, I don't. In that case default string
($this->strings['meters_per_second']) will be used.
> > return parent::print_pretty_wind($wind);
> Ahh - very clever! :-) At first I didn't understand what you were trying
> to do, but now I see it - pretty cool. There should probably be a little
> comment that explains it to others...
My goal was to avoid counting logic in pw_text_sk. This way I can
only change strings accoding to Slovak grammar convetions and at the end
call original method. If there is no problem with this, I will use this way
also in others parts.
=Nepto=
____________________________________________________________________________
Ondrej 'Nepto' Jombik, Perl CGI developer #!/usr/bin/perl -w
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From: Martin G. <gim...@gi...> - 2002-05-22 12:07:04
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Ondrej Jombik <ne...@po...> writes: >> The windspeed doesn't have to be a whole number of meters per hour: >> it's converted from a whole number of knots into meters/second and >> miles/hour so it will not be a whole number after the conversion. >=20 > Numbers which are not whole are handled in first 'if' case. Ah, sorry! Please make sure to put plenty of comments in the final version! It's a very nice way of extending the base-class, but it's also a bit confusing at first :-) But after two or three mails I think I get it... >> What if the windspeed is more than 4 meters per second? Don't you miss >> that case? >=20 > No, I don't. In that case default string > ($this->strings['meters_per_second']) will be used. Of course, you're right. > My goal was to avoid counting logic in pw_text_sk. This way I > can only change strings accoding to Slovak grammar convetions and at > the end call original method. If there is no problem with this, I > will use this way also in others parts. No problem - I've just never thought of doing things this way, so it really confused me in the beginning. =2D-=20 Martin Geisler My GnuPG Key: 0xF7F6B57B See my homepage at http://www.gimpster.com/ for: PHP Weather =3D> Shows the current weather on your webpage. PHP Shell =3D> A telnet-connection (almost :-) in a PHP page. |
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