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[Phpsqliteadmin-devel] [LOGO] call for vote

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

I think we must vote which logo will be use for. so which one?

me: +1 for #3
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[Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Draft 3 phpsla logo

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

I've finished draft 3 of phpsla logo. I wait for your comments guys.
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[Phpsqliteadmin-devel] [Logo] Second draft

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

Hi guys!

This my second draft of the phpsla logos, the logo showing on 4
backgrounds. So what do you say guys?

Regards,
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

It doesn't make any difference to me how many classes will be written...In 
fact I'm just a bit concerned that having many classes might be confusing to 
remember which class to instance or which class has a determined method, 
even having suggestive names as Firman's idea. Maybe the best here, IMHO, 
will be having a class to handle sqlite stuff and other to handle its output 
and stuff as Steve has said. 

Felipe Lopes 


Em (23:41:43), Firman Wandayandi escreveu: 


>On Apr 4, 2005 9:34 PM, Steve Dibb wrote: 
>> Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> 
>> > OK, actually I has another idea, that phpsla use more than one 
>> > classes, I currently not finished drawing the UML yet, maybe some 
>> > abstract explanation will be make it better. The idea is, to create 
>> > some classes named: phpSLA, phpSLA_Error, phpSLA_Database, 
>> > phpSLA_Table, phpSLA_Index, phpSLA_Trigger, phpSLA_View, 
>> > phpSLA_Function, phpSLA_Result, phpSLA_Importer and phpSLA_Dumper, 
>> > sorry if I missing some classes, the paper isn't here now. Those 
>> > classes provide usefull methods, e.g phpSLA_Database::connect(), 
>> > phpSLA_Database::schema(), phpSLA_Table::structure, 
>> > phpSLA_Table::schema() an so on. So hold on for working the class, I 
>> > think this will be better than it :-). Dunno that I'm will be busy or 
>> > not this week, but I tried to finishing the UML first, and show out. 
>> > 
>> > Comments? Suggestions? Any better ideas? 
>> 
>> Are those all going to be individual classes? Seems a little 
>> unnecessary to me to have so many classes for basic functions. Besides, 
>> you're probably going to be calling most of them on the same pages 
>> anyway, so I don't see any reason to put them all in different objects 
>> and them remember which one calls what function. 
>> 
>> Admittedly, PEAR's DB is split up a little bit, but it's still pretty 
>> simple -- DB.php, common.php and then sqlite.php. 
>> 
>> I think something similar would help, too. Make an sqlite-only class 
>> that handles all the queries, and then one for the HTML, output, deisgn 
>> and layout of the pages. That way, anyone can copy/use our 
>> soon-to-be-awesome sqlite class without having to adopt our layout 
>> preferences at the same time. 
>> 
> 
>Nevermind, this is just an idea, i has addopted it from PHP5 sqlite 
>extension, where are available builtin classes SQLiteDatabase, 
>SQLiteResult and SQLiteUnbuffered. IMHO If we use separate class for 
>handling specified function, that more effective, efficient and 
>reusable, phpSLA_Database is provide specified database function, 
>phpSLA_Table is provide specified table function so on or we can use 
>phpSLA_Dumper for dumping database, table, index, trigger, view and 
>function. PLUS it's more easy to maintain it. 
> 
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On Apr 4, 2005 9:34 PM, Steve Dibb <st...@wo...> wrote:
> Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> 
> > OK, actually I has another idea, that phpsla use more than one
> > classes, I currently not finished drawing the UML yet, maybe some
> > abstract explanation will be make it better. The idea is, to create
> > some classes named: phpSLA, phpSLA_Error, phpSLA_Database,
> > phpSLA_Table, phpSLA_Index, phpSLA_Trigger, phpSLA_View,
> > phpSLA_Function, phpSLA_Result, phpSLA_Importer and phpSLA_Dumper,
> > sorry if I missing some classes, the paper isn't here now. Those
> > classes provide usefull methods, e.g phpSLA_Database::connect(),
> > phpSLA_Database::schema(), phpSLA_Table::structure,
> > phpSLA_Table::schema() an so on. So hold on for working the class, I
> > think this will be better than it :-). Dunno that I'm will be busy or
> > not this week, but I tried to finishing the UML first, and show out.
> >
> > Comments? Suggestions? Any better ideas?
> 
> Are those all going to be individual classes?  Seems a little
> unnecessary to me to have so many classes for basic functions.  Besides,
> you're probably going to be calling most of them on the same pages
> anyway, so I don't see any reason to put them all in different objects
> and them remember which one calls what function.
> 
> Admittedly, PEAR's DB is split up a little bit, but it's still pretty
> simple -- DB.php, common.php and then sqlite.php.
> 
> I think something similar would help, too.  Make an sqlite-only class
> that handles all the queries, and then one for the HTML, output, deisgn
> and layout of the pages.  That way, anyone can copy/use our
> soon-to-be-awesome sqlite class without having to adopt our layout
> preferences at the same time.
> 

Nevermind, this is just an idea, i has addopted it from PHP5 sqlite
extension, where are available builtin classes SQLiteDatabase,
SQLiteResult and SQLiteUnbuffered. IMHO If we use separate class for
handling specified function, that more effective, efficient and
reusable, phpSLA_Database is provide specified database function,
phpSLA_Table is provide specified table function so on or we can use
phpSLA_Dumper for dumping database, table, index, trigger, view and
function. PLUS it's more easy to maintain it.

-- 
Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::.

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Steve D. <st...@wo...>]

Firman Wandayandi wrote:

> OK, actually I has another idea, that phpsla use more than one
> classes, I currently not finished drawing the UML yet, maybe some
> abstract explanation will be make it better. The idea is, to create
> some classes named: phpSLA, phpSLA_Error, phpSLA_Database,
> phpSLA_Table, phpSLA_Index, phpSLA_Trigger, phpSLA_View,
> phpSLA_Function, phpSLA_Result, phpSLA_Importer and phpSLA_Dumper,
> sorry if I missing some classes, the paper isn't here now. Those
> classes provide usefull methods, e.g phpSLA_Database::connect(),
> phpSLA_Database::schema(), phpSLA_Table::structure,
> phpSLA_Table::schema() an so on. So hold on for working the class, I
> think this will be better than it :-). Dunno that I'm will be busy or
> not this week, but I tried to finishing the UML first, and show out.
> 
> Comments? Suggestions? Any better ideas?

Are those all going to be individual classes?  Seems a little 
unnecessary to me to have so many classes for basic functions.  Besides, 
you're probably going to be calling most of them on the same pages 
anyway, so I don't see any reason to put them all in different objects 
and them remember which one calls what function.

Admittedly, PEAR's DB is split up a little bit, but it's still pretty 
simple -- DB.php, common.php and then sqlite.php.

I think something similar would help, too.  Make an sqlite-only class 
that handles all the queries, and then one for the HTML, output, deisgn 
and layout of the pages.  That way, anyone can copy/use our 
soon-to-be-awesome sqlite class without having to adopt our layout 
preferences at the same time.

Steve

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

>On Apr 4, 2005 11:25 AM, wiseguy wrote: 
>> >On Apr 1, 2005 2:24 AM, Yves Glodt wrote: 
>> >> On Thursday 31 March 2005 18:33, Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> >> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote: 
>> >> > > On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> >> > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy 
>> >> wrote: 
>> >> > > > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather 
>> >> > > > > do it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and 
>> >> > > > > forget it exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The 
>> >> > > > > time we could lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it 
>> >> > > > > IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have control over 
>> >> > > > > the OO. 
>> >> > > > > 
>> >> > > > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys. 
>> >> > > > > 
>> >> > > > > Felipe Lopes 
>> >> > > > 
>> >> > > > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational 
>> >> > > > Rose for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if 
>> >> > > > we just use one class, means there are no association, 
>> >> > > > aggregation, dependency etc. 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed 
>> >> > > me your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive. 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > What is you opinion about using it for phpsla? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with 
Felipe's 
>> >> > class and add some methods, 
>> >> 
>> >> Yes that sounds good, :-) maybe u can check with Felipe what has to be 
>> >> done, and if you give me your sourceforge id I add you as developer, 
so 
>> >> if the transition to the new FirmanFelipe class is done you could 
>> >> commit it to cvs 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> >OK, my sourceforge id = firmanw 
>> > 
>> >> > I think that I has missed something :-S, 
>> >> > what do you think? any ideas? 
>> >> 
>> >> I must admit that this and the next week I have not much time for 
>> >> working on phpsla as I have to deliver another project at work :-( 
>> >> I'll be following this list of course, but you and Felipe and Steve 
can 
>> >> let flow all your ideas into cvs :-) It would just be nice if cvs 
would 
>> >> stay in a working state :-) 
>> > 
>> >Nevermind, job well Yves. Me, Felipe and Steve will share the ideas 
>> >and working together, however you can always check out what was 
>> >happened from the list and cvs and we will waiting for you if we found 
>> >some significant problems :-), right guys? 
>> 
>> Yves is busy with i-man, I want to spend all of my php time w/ my website 
>> and Steve seems very busy at his job too. Maybe on the next weeks you 
will 
>> be on your own Firman :-( . I'll try to spend some time on phpsla on this 
>> week yet...Lets see... 
>> 
> 
>OK, actually I has another idea, that phpsla use more than one 
>classes, I currently not finished drawing the UML yet, maybe some 
>abstract explanation will be make it better. The idea is, to create 
>some classes named: phpSLA, phpSLA_Error, phpSLA_Database, 
>phpSLA_Table, phpSLA_Index, phpSLA_Trigger, phpSLA_View, 
>phpSLA_Function, phpSLA_Result, phpSLA_Importer and phpSLA_Dumper, 
>sorry if I missing some classes, the paper isn't here now. Those 
>classes provide usefull methods, e.g phpSLA_Database::connect(), 
>phpSLA_Database::schema(), phpSLA_Table::structure, 
>phpSLA_Table::schema() an so on. So hold on for working the class, I 
>think this will be better than it :-). Dunno that I'm will be busy or 
>not this week, but I tried to finishing the UML first, and show out. 
> 
>Comments? Suggestions? Any better ideas? 

I like the idea! Since we wont have to load a lot of methods that wont be 
used on every situation. 

> 
>Regards, 
>-- 
>Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::. 
> 

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On Apr 4, 2005 11:25 AM, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> wrote:
> >On Apr 1, 2005 2:24 AM, Yves Glodt wrote:
> >> On Thursday 31 March 2005 18:33, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote:
> >> > > On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> >> > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather
> >> > > > > do it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and
> >> > > > > forget it exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The
> >> > > > > time we could lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it
> >> > > > > IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have control over
> >> > > > > the OO.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Felipe Lopes
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational
> >> > > > Rose for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if
> >> > > > we just use one class, means there are no association,
> >> > > > aggregation, dependency etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed
> >> > > me your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive.
> >> > >
> >> > > What is you opinion about using it for phpsla?
> >> >
> >> > That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with Felipe's
> >> > class and add some methods,
> >>
> >> Yes that sounds good, :-) maybe u can check with Felipe what has to be
> >> done, and if you give me your sourceforge id I add you as developer, so
> >> if the transition to the new FirmanFelipe class is done you could
> >> commit it to cvs
> >>
> >
> >OK, my sourceforge id = firmanw
> >
> >> > I think that I has missed something :-S,
> >> > what do you think? any ideas?
> >>
> >> I must admit that this and the next week I have not much time for
> >> working on phpsla as I have to deliver another project at work :-(
> >> I'll be following this list of course, but you and Felipe and Steve can
> >> let flow all your ideas into cvs :-) It would just be nice if cvs would
> >> stay in a working state :-)
> >
> >Nevermind, job well Yves. Me, Felipe and Steve will share the ideas
> >and working together, however you can always check out what was
> >happened from the list and cvs and we will waiting for you if we found
> >some significant problems :-), right guys?
> 
> Yves is busy with i-man, I want to spend all of my php time w/ my website
> and Steve seems very busy at his job too. Maybe on the next weeks you will
> be on your own Firman :-( . I'll try to spend some time on phpsla on this
> week yet...Lets see...
> 

OK, actually I has another idea, that phpsla use more than one
classes, I currently not finished drawing the UML yet, maybe some
abstract explanation will be make it better. The idea is, to create
some classes named: phpSLA, phpSLA_Error, phpSLA_Database,
phpSLA_Table, phpSLA_Index, phpSLA_Trigger, phpSLA_View,
phpSLA_Function, phpSLA_Result, phpSLA_Importer and phpSLA_Dumper,
sorry if I missing some classes, the paper isn't here now. Those
classes provide usefull methods, e.g phpSLA_Database::connect(),
phpSLA_Database::schema(), phpSLA_Table::structure,
phpSLA_Table::schema() an so on. So hold on for working the class, I
think this will be better than it :-). Dunno that I'm will be busy or
not this week, but I tried to finishing the UML first, and show out.

Comments? Suggestions? Any better ideas?

Regards,
-- 
Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::.

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

>On Apr 1, 2005 2:24 AM, Yves Glodt wrote: 
>> On Thursday 31 March 2005 18:33, Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote: 
>> > > On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy 
>> wrote: 
>> > > > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather 
>> > > > > do it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and 
>> > > > > forget it exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The 
>> > > > > time we could lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it 
>> > > > > IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have control over 
>> > > > > the OO. 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys. 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Felipe Lopes 
>> > > > 
>> > > > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational 
>> > > > Rose for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if 
>> > > > we just use one class, means there are no association, 
>> > > > aggregation, dependency etc. 
>> > > 
>> > > You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed 
>> > > me your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive. 
>> > > 
>> > > What is you opinion about using it for phpsla? 
>> > 
>> > That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with Felipe's 
>> > class and add some methods, 
>> 
>> Yes that sounds good, :-) maybe u can check with Felipe what has to be 
>> done, and if you give me your sourceforge id I add you as developer, so 
>> if the transition to the new FirmanFelipe class is done you could 
>> commit it to cvs 
>> 
> 
>OK, my sourceforge id = firmanw 
> 
>> > I think that I has missed something :-S, 
>> > what do you think? any ideas? 
>> 
>> I must admit that this and the next week I have not much time for 
>> working on phpsla as I have to deliver another project at work :-( 
>> I'll be following this list of course, but you and Felipe and Steve can 
>> let flow all your ideas into cvs :-) It would just be nice if cvs would 
>> stay in a working state :-) 
> 
>Nevermind, job well Yves. Me, Felipe and Steve will share the ideas 
>and working together, however you can always check out what was 
>happened from the list and cvs and we will waiting for you if we found 
>some significant problems :-), right guys? 

Yves is busy with i-man, I want to spend all of my php time w/ my website 
and Steve seems very busy at his job too. Maybe on the next weeks you will 
be on your own Firman :-( . I'll try to spend some time on phpsla on this 
week yet...Lets see... 

>-- 
>Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::. 

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

>On Thursday 31 March 2005 20:14, wiseguy wrote: 
>> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote: 
>> >> On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> >> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy wrote: 
>> >> > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather 
>> >> > > do it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and 
>> >> > > forget it exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The 
>> >> > > time we could lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it 
>> >> > > IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have control over 
>> >> > > the OO. 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys. 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > Felipe Lopes 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational 
>> >> > Rose for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if 
>> >> > we just use one class, means there are no association, 
>> >> > aggregation, dependency etc. 
>> >> 
>> >> You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed 
>> >> me your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive. 
>> >> 
>> >> What is you opinion about using it for phpsla? 
>> > 
>> >That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with 
>> > Felipe's class and add some methods, I think that I has missed 
>> > something :-S, what do you think? any ideas? 
>> 
>> All we have to add to your class is some pagination methods I think. 
> 
>IMHO we should separate database and user-interface stuff. Pagination 
>functions IMHO are to be put into a general include file. 

Makes sence Yves! 


> 
>> Are you current using your class on any site? 
>> 
>> To be honest, I'd rather rewrite the class to make it easier to read 
>> and understand then just add new methods to the 'frankstein' :-D 
>> 
>> Felipe 

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

On Thursday 31 March 2005 20:14, wiseguy wrote:
> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy wrote:
> >> > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather
> >> > > do it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and
> >> > > forget it exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The
> >> > > time we could lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it
> >> > > IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have control over
> >> > > the OO.
> >> > >
> >> > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> >> > >
> >> > > Felipe Lopes
> >> >
> >> > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational
> >> > Rose for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if
> >> > we just use one class, means there are no association,
> >> > aggregation, dependency etc.
> >>
> >> You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed
> >> me your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive.
> >>
> >> What is you opinion about using it for phpsla?
> >
> >That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with
> > Felipe's class and add some methods, I think that I has missed
> > something :-S, what do you think? any ideas?
>
> All we have to add to your class is some pagination methods I think.

IMHO we should separate database and user-interface stuff. Pagination 
functions IMHO are to be put into a general include file.

> Are you current using your class on any site?
>
> To be honest, I'd rather rewrite the class to make it easier to read
> and understand then just add new methods to the 'frankstein' :-D
>
> Felipe

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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On Apr 1, 2005 2:24 AM, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> On Thursday 31 March 2005 18:33, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy <wi...@ig...>
> wrote:
> > > > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather
> > > > > do it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and
> > > > > forget it exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The
> > > > > time we could lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it
> > > > > IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have control over
> > > > > the OO.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > Felipe Lopes
> > > >
> > > > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational
> > > > Rose for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if
> > > > we just use one class, means there are no association,
> > > > aggregation, dependency etc.
> > >
> > > You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed
> > > me your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive.
> > >
> > > What is you opinion about using it for phpsla?
> >
> > That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with Felipe's
> > class and add some methods,
> 
> Yes that sounds good, :-) maybe u can check with Felipe what has to be
> done, and if you give me your sourceforge id I add you as developer, so
> if the transition to the new FirmanFelipe class is done you could
> commit it to cvs
> 

OK, my sourceforge id = firmanw 

> > I think that I has missed something :-S,
> > what do you think? any ideas?
> 
> I must admit that this and the next week I have not much time for
> working on phpsla as I have to deliver another project at work :-(
> I'll be following this list of course, but you and Felipe and Steve can
> let flow all your ideas into cvs :-) It would just be nice if cvs would
> stay in a working state :-)

Nevermind, job well Yves. Me, Felipe and Steve will share the ideas
and working together, however you can always check out what was
happened from the list and cvs and we will waiting for you if we found
some significant problems :-), right guys?

-- 
Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::.

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On Apr 1, 2005 1:14 AM, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> wrote:
> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy wrote:
> >> > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather do
> >> > > it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and forget it
> >> > > exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The time we could
> >> > > lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it IMO, although it
> >> > > seems to be a nice tool to have control over the OO.
> >> > >
> >> > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> >> > >
> >> > > Felipe Lopes
> >> >
> >> > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational Rose
> >> > for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if we just
> >> > use one class, means there are no association, aggregation,
> >> > dependency etc.
> >>
> >> You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed me
> >> your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive.
> >>
> >> What is you opinion about using it for phpsla?
> >>
> >
> >That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with Felipe's
> >class and add some methods, I think that I has missed something :-S,
> >what do you think? any ideas?
> 
> All we have to add to your class is some pagination methods I think. Are you
> current using your class on any site?
> 

No, cause I have a reason that the admin interface for sqlite still
not user friendly, it's not easy to maintaining a database.

> To be honest, I'd rather rewrite the class to make it easier to read and
> understand then just add new methods to the 'frankstein' :-D
> 

Sure, feel free to add new ideas :-)

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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

On Thursday 31 March 2005 18:33, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> 
wrote:
> > > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather
> > > > do it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and
> > > > forget it exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The
> > > > time we could lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it
> > > > IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have control over
> > > > the OO.
> > > >
> > > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> > > >
> > > > Felipe Lopes
> > >
> > > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational
> > > Rose for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if
> > > we just use one class, means there are no association,
> > > aggregation, dependency etc.
> >
> > You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed
> > me your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive.
> >
> > What is you opinion about using it for phpsla?
>
> That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with Felipe's
> class and add some methods,

Yes that sounds good, :-) maybe u can check with Felipe what has to be 
done, and if you give me your sourceforge id I add you as developer, so 
if the transition to the new FirmanFelipe class is done you could 
commit it to cvs

> I think that I has missed something :-S, 
> what do you think? any ideas?

I must admit that this and the next week I have not much time for 
working on phpsla as I have to deliver another project at work :-(
I'll be following this list of course, but you and Felipe and Steve can 
let flow all your ideas into cvs :-) It would just be nice if cvs would 
stay in a working state :-)

Regards,
Yves

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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote: 
>> On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy wrote: 
>> > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather do 
>> > > it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and forget it 
>> > > exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The time we could 
>> > > lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it IMO, although it 
>> > > seems to be a nice tool to have control over the OO. 
>> > > 
>> > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys. 
>> > > 
>> > > Felipe Lopes 
>> > 
>> > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational Rose 
>> > for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if we just 
>> > use one class, means there are no association, aggregation, 
>> > dependency etc. 
>> 
>> You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed me 
>> your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive. 
>> 
>> What is you opinion about using it for phpsla? 
>> 
> 
>That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with Felipe's 
>class and add some methods, I think that I has missed something :-S, 
>what do you think? any ideas? 

All we have to add to your class is some pagination methods I think. Are you 
current using your class on any site? 

To be honest, I'd rather rewrite the class to make it easier to read and 
understand then just add new methods to the 'frankstein' :-D 

Felipe 

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:46:50 +0200, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> wrote:
> > > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather do
> > > it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and forget it
> > > exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The time we could
> > > lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it IMO, although it
> > > seems to be a nice tool to have control over the OO.
> > >
> > > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> > >
> > > Felipe Lopes
> >
> > I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational Rose
> > for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if we just
> > use one class, means there are no association, aggregation,
> > dependency etc.
> 
> You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed me
> your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive.
> 
> What is you opinion about using it for phpsla?
> 

That's great! IMHO It would be better if my class merge with Felipe's
class and add some methods, I think that I has missed something :-S,
what do you think? any ideas?

-- 
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> wrote:
> > At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather do
> > it by hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and forget it
> > exists, after all, thats what OO is made for. The time we could
> > lose learning how Umbrella works doesnt worth it IMO, although it
> > seems to be a nice tool to have control over the OO.
> >
> > Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> >
> > Felipe Lopes
>
> I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational Rose
> for drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if we just
> use one class, means there are no association, aggregation,
> dependency etc.

You are right (and disscovered me as UML newbie ;-) Felipe showed me 
your class yesterday and it looks pretty impressive.

What is you opinion about using it for phpsla?

regards,
Yves

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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:57 -0300, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> wrote:
> At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather do it by
> hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and forget it exists, after
> all, thats what OO is made for. The time we could lose learning how Umbrella
> works doesnt worth it IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have
> control over the OO.
> 
> Well....Dunno...its up to you guys.
> 
> Felipe Lopes
>

I never use Umbrello, I currenttly use Ms Vision nor Rational Rose for
drawing the UML. However we doesn't need to draw it, if we just use
one class, means there are no association, aggregation, dependency
etc.

-- 
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

At first look Umbrello seems quite wierd to me. I would rather do it by 
hand. Besides, I think we will make the class and forget it exists, after 
all, thats what OO is made for. The time we could lose learning how Umbrella 
works doesnt worth it IMO, although it seems to be a nice tool to have 
control over the OO. 

Well....Dunno...its up to you guys. 

Felipe Lopes 

Em (20:38:31), Yves Glodt escreveu: 


>On Tuesday 29 March 2005 19:17, wiseguy wrote: 
>> >> Hi there Firman! Welcome to our list! 
>> >> 
>> >> I like the idea of drop using SPSQLite and fiding another class to 
>> >> fit 
>> 
>> our 
>> 
>> >> needs. The question is whether to use DB or to create our own 
>> >> class (I 
>> > 
>> >don't 
>> > 
>> >> think it would be too hard to accomplish). I like either options. 
>> > 
>> >I like this idea, to create our own class, just adopted it from 
>> >SPSQLite and PEAR::DB_sqlite with some modification to fit our need. 
>> >Felipe right that is not hard work anyway. 
>> > 
>> >> I've visited the IRC channel you create but you seem to be offline 
>> > 
>> >everytime 
>> > 
>> >> I login. Will drop here my ICQ in case you use it: 59336685. 
>> > 
>> >Uh, I had meet with Yves yesterday. BTW i don't have ICQ, just 
>> > Yahoo!, maybe you has Yahoo! account Felipe? 
>> 
>> No Yahoo! here :-( 
>> 
>> >> I didn't get the idea of a main page w/out phpsla db...It seems ok 
>> >> for me the it is. 
>> > 
>> >OK, this is just minor priority, we can discussion it later. I think 
>> >we must work with SQLite class first. What do you say guys? 
>> 
>> Agreed. We must have in mind 2 things: 
>> 
>> 1) The user might, and is most probably, been using php4, not php5. 
>> Although the class must work on either version, which is not hard. 
> 
>I also think we must code for php4. 
> 
>> 2) Pear SHOULD NOT be required. 
> 
>Yes, if we do our own class we will not need it 
> 
>> I've coded a little class to use on my website: 
>> http://felipelopes.dotgeek.org/classes/sqlite.class.phps 
>> 
>> It can be a start. 
> 
>Yes. We should try to design the class first in UML, We should all try 
>out Umbrello and tell our opinion if we can use it or not. For me it 
>feels good. 
> 
>> >> Thanks for the logo it looks great ;-) 
>> > 
>> >So glad to create it ;-) 
>> > 
>> >-- 
>> >Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::. 

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

On Tuesday 29 March 2005 19:17, wiseguy wrote:
> >> Hi there Firman! Welcome to our list!
> >>
> >> I like the idea of drop using SPSQLite and fiding another class to
> >> fit
>
> our
>
> >> needs. The question is whether to use DB or to create our own
> >> class (I
> >
> >don't
> >
> >> think it would be too hard to accomplish). I like either options.
> >
> >I like this idea, to create our own class, just adopted it from
> >SPSQLite and PEAR::DB_sqlite with some modification to fit our need.
> >Felipe right that is not hard work anyway.
> >
> >> I've visited the IRC channel you create but you seem to be offline
> >
> >everytime
> >
> >> I login. Will drop here my ICQ in case you use it: 59336685.
> >
> >Uh, I had meet with Yves yesterday. BTW i don't have ICQ, just
> > Yahoo!, maybe you has Yahoo! account Felipe?
>
> No Yahoo! here :-(
>
> >> I didn't get the idea of a main page w/out phpsla db...It seems ok
> >> for me the it is.
> >
> >OK, this is just minor priority, we can discussion it later. I think
> >we must work with SQLite class first. What do you say guys?
>
> Agreed. We must have in mind 2 things:
>
> 1) The user might, and is most probably, been using php4, not php5.
> Although the class must work on either version, which is not hard.

I also think we must code for php4.

> 2) Pear SHOULD NOT be required.

Yes, if we do our own class we will not need it

> I've coded a little class to use on my website:
> http://felipelopes.dotgeek.org/classes/sqlite.class.phps
>
> It can be a start.

Yes. We should try to design the class first in UML, We should all try 
out Umbrello and tell our opinion if we can use it or not. For me it 
feels good.

> >> Thanks for the logo it looks great ;-)
> >
> >So glad to create it ;-)
> >
> >--
> >Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::.

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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

On Tuesday 29 March 2005 18:41, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:59:16 -0300, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> wrote:
> > Hi there Firman! Welcome to our list!
> >
> > I like the idea of drop using SPSQLite and fiding another class to
> > fit our needs. The question is whether to use DB or to create our
> > own class (I don't think it would be too hard to accomplish). I
> > like either options.
>
> I like this idea, to create our own class, just adopted it from
> SPSQLite and PEAR::DB_sqlite with some modification to fit our need.
> Felipe right that is not hard work anyway.
>
> > I've visited the IRC channel you create but you seem to be offline
> > everytime I login. Will drop here my ICQ in case you use it:
> > 59336685.
>
> Uh, I had meet with Yves yesterday. BTW i don't have ICQ, just
> Yahoo!, maybe you has Yahoo! account Felipe?
>
> > I didn't get the idea of a main page w/out phpsla db...It seems ok
> > for me the it is.
>
> OK, this is just minor priority, we can discussion it later. I think
> we must work with SQLite class first. What do you say guys?

yes, the foundation must be solid (and created to be extendable) before 
we attack the functionality.

> > Thanks for the logo it looks great ;-)
>
> So glad to create it ;-)

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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Yves G. <yg...@mi...>]

On Tuesday 29 March 2005 00:12, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:04:35 +0200, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> > On Monday 28 March 2005 23:27, Firman Wandayandi wrote:
> > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:00:58 +0200, Yves Glodt <yg...@mi...> wrote:
> > > > some if our code is OO, some is less... We use the SPSQLite
> > > > class from Alan, but it is not maintained anymore since some
> > > > time. Maybe we should use something else, maybe PEAR. What do
> > > > you think about that?
> > >
> > > Sure, why not. Which packages wil be use? Just DB only? or more?
> >
> > For the start I was thinking about DB only, but there could be
> > other uses as well.
> >
> > Question... would we ship a copy of PEAR in code code (for the case
> > that any users/hosters don't have PEAR installed? IMHO it would be
> > preferable to include it for convenience reasons.
>
> IMHO too, but I has class that adopted on SPSQLite and
> PEAR::DB::SQLite to fit our needed, maybe it usefull for phpsla.

Maybe you can post a link to that class so we can take a look at it... 
It sounds promising for sure!

> BTW 
> I love to use PEAR::DB.

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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

>> Hi there Firman! Welcome to our list! 
>> 
>> I like the idea of drop using SPSQLite and fiding another class to fit 
our 
>> needs. The question is whether to use DB or to create our own class (I 
>don't 
>> think it would be too hard to accomplish). I like either options. 
>> 
> 
>I like this idea, to create our own class, just adopted it from 
>SPSQLite and PEAR::DB_sqlite with some modification to fit our need. 
>Felipe right that is not hard work anyway. 
> 
>> I've visited the IRC channel you create but you seem to be offline 
>everytime 
>> I login. Will drop here my ICQ in case you use it: 59336685. 
>> 
> 
>Uh, I had meet with Yves yesterday. BTW i don't have ICQ, just Yahoo!, 
>maybe you has Yahoo! account Felipe? 

No Yahoo! here :-( 

> 
>> I didn't get the idea of a main page w/out phpsla db...It seems ok for me 
>> the it is. 
>> 
> 
>OK, this is just minor priority, we can discussion it later. I think 
>we must work with SQLite class first. What do you say guys? 

Agreed. We must have in mind 2 things: 

1) The user might, and is most probably, been using php4, not php5. Although 
the class must work on either version, which is not hard. 
2) Pear SHOULD NOT be required. 

I've coded a little class to use on my website: 
http://felipelopes.dotgeek.org/classes/sqlite.class.phps 

It can be a start. 

> 
>> Thanks for the logo it looks great ;-) 
>> 
> 
>So glad to create it ;-) 
> 
>-- 
>Firman Wandayandi .:: OrangEnigmA : Never Dreamt Before ::. 

Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[Firman W. <fi...@gm...>]

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:59:16 -0300, wiseguy <wi...@ig...> wrote:
> Hi there Firman! Welcome to our list!
> 
> I like the idea of drop using SPSQLite and fiding another class to fit our
> needs. The question is whether to use DB or to create our own class (I don't
> think it would be too hard to accomplish). I like either options.
> 

I like this idea, to create our own class, just adopted it from
SPSQLite and PEAR::DB_sqlite with some modification to fit our need.
Felipe right that is not hard work anyway.

> I've visited the IRC channel you create but you seem to be offline everytime
> I login. Will drop here my ICQ in case you use it: 59336685.
> 

Uh, I had meet with Yves yesterday. BTW i don't have ICQ, just Yahoo!,
maybe you has Yahoo! account Felipe?

> I didn't get the idea of a main page w/out phpsla db...It seems ok for me
> the it is.
> 

OK, this is just minor priority, we can discussion it later. I think
we must work with SQLite class first. What do you say guys?

> Thanks for the logo it looks great ;-)
> 

So glad to create it ;-)

-- 
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Re: [Phpsqliteadmin-devel] Be a developer?

[wiseguy <wi...@ig...>]

Hi there Firman! Welcome to our list! 

I like the idea of drop using SPSQLite and fiding another class to fit our 
needs. The question is whether to use DB or to create our own class (I don't 
think it would be too hard to accomplish). I like either options. 

I've visited the IRC channel you create but you seem to be offline everytime 
I login. Will drop here my ICQ in case you use it: 59336685. 

I didn't get the idea of a main page w/out phpsla db...It seems ok for me 
the it is. 

Thanks for the logo it looks great ;-) 

Felipe Lopes 

Em (00:04:35), Yves Glodt escreveu: 


>On Monday 28 March 2005 23:27, Firman Wandayandi wrote: 
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:00:58 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote: 
>> > some if our code is OO, some is less... We use the SPSQLite class 
>> > from Alan, but it is not maintained anymore since some time. Maybe 
>> > we should use something else, maybe PEAR. What do you think about 
>> > that? 
>> 
>> Sure, why not. Which packages wil be use? Just DB only? or more? 
> 
>For the start I was thinking about DB only, but there could be other 
>uses as well. 
> 
>Question... would we ship a copy of PEAR in code code (for the case that 
>any users/hosters don't have PEAR installed? IMHO it would be 
>preferable to include it for convenience reasons. 
> 
>cu, 
>Yves 
> 
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