I'm a run of the mill desktop user, i.e. internet stuff, documents, photos and a bit of Terminal usage.
For this I've happily been using Pepp OS Bullseye these last eight months, replacing nearly ten years of using Linux Mint.
Now that there is a new Pepp OS, Bookworm, I have been wondering the following:
What are the advantages of replacing Pepp OS Bullseye with Pepp OS Bookworm?
What are the advantages of using Pepp OS as opposed to just plain Debian with Xfce desktop?
To partly answer my own questions:
I can't see my updating to the newer Pepp OS Bookworm whilst my current Pepp OS Bullseye has support for the next few years.
As for plain Debian, I believe I tried it and it came pre-loaded with software and what I like about Pepp OS is the minimal install that allows me to add software I actually use, which isn't much.
Any thoughts from others?
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mostly it would be preference..... so that would be ultimately up to you really...LOL
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Opensource is free and open software to use, built by volunteers, through donated time.
Almost all distros give you something, a web browser, email client, an office application out of the box as well as a plethora of other things. Its not that those you mentioned are easy or less complicated, you have actually grown accustom to what they do for you, that in-turn is easy for you or it fits your workflow. Now anything outside of that is regression or considered difficult.
When we talk about choice what we mean is, giving you the opportunity to decide what your build does for you. Rather than us telling or pre-installing what we think you should do,
For instance there is nothing wrong with snap and flatpak….but it just seems unfair to push that on a user, without either asking them or giving them the opportunity to do it themselves.
Same for web browsers and other applications,
We try to give that choice and at least a base working system that is there with hardware drivers and a desktop environment. That way a user can build a system from a starting point , to best fit their needs.
Its not a complete minimum arch or gentoo type method but at least we can help save time from undo and redo actions.... in other words a user is not forced to tear down a system and lose time stripping out all the things they do not like in a stock distro release, but rather they can use that time getting the system the way they prefer.
And from a new user perspective, it can be a great learning opportunity, at the same time they are not building from scratch a linux system, its just a starting point.
If you think about it Peppermint offers a lot more now than it ever did before,
Before it was just a desktop that was 32/64 ubuntu base. And a lot of folks liked that,
many many Ubuntu fans were on that build, no arguing that point. LOL
But now we have ARM, Debian Based(32/64) , Devuan Based (32/64, Non systemD)
We have Server builds coming,
We have Mini builds, which is a really stripped network install
Currently we are on the cusp having openbox, xfce and gnome-flashback mainline spins.
And for those who really loved the classic branding there is even a classic design in the works.
I hope this helps,
Its not all doom and gloom and a hate peppermint band wagon,
There is a method to what we are doing, and that is to bring value to as much choice as a user deserves,
You can pick any main stream distro if all you want is a pre-loaded operating system with things that they guess you will prefer, and that’s okay to do, you should choose to do that if it's best for you as a user..
However, that’s where peppermint takes the other path, a user should be the one to decide their own way with their system
Good discussion, though please let us know if you have any questions
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i cant even synchronize the time with server in pepp os bcz something called NTP is not installed and i dont even know how to install it. I also cant view my native language which is not english and dont know how to install it. Should not these have been installed beforehand? or is the userbase supposed to be veteran linux users?
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Your are right those things should be left up to the user. You do not need to be a veteran user to install them...we can certainly help guide you through the process...
With all that said if you are truly not interested in doing these things..
We do partner with AçorOS we work together on both Peppermint and AçorOS
AçorOS - is for meant users like yourself who want more than just a blank starting point. AçorOS is led by one of our Developers @manuelr-123 , I would say if you think PeppermintOS is not your flow, give the partner OS ago, We support it just like we do Peppermint... If you have any questions just feel free to ask here. Download AcorOS Here - hope that helps
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pick whichever one you feel like, if you want to use a window manager instead of xfce then plain debian would be the better option.
i use pep for mini xfce build, solydx for a lazy install and tried crunchbang++ recently so i could do a quick openbox install. if i need to add to it i just modify my build script i use across debian and ubuntu
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It is built in many ways similar to peppermint in terms of how it is built......but, It focuses on that Out of the box tools installed. ... that new users would prefer... Its stocked with Software you normally see in preinstalled distros......To me speed wise etc... yes its about the same depending on the desktop you use. the difference is predefined applications and configured layout. Where as Peppermint is really focused on choice for all. And AcorOS is the "let us help you learn linux" point of view. The same group of folks that build peppermint help AcorOS with @manuelr-123 being the project lead there. We take pointers and vision aspect from him, and we all share ideas together...just as we do here in Peppermint
I hope that help...;)
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I'm a run of the mill desktop user, i.e. internet stuff, documents, photos and a bit of Terminal usage.
For this I've happily been using Pepp OS Bullseye these last eight months, replacing nearly ten years of using Linux Mint.
Now that there is a new Pepp OS, Bookworm, I have been wondering the following:
What are the advantages of replacing Pepp OS Bullseye with Pepp OS Bookworm?
What are the advantages of using Pepp OS as opposed to just plain Debian with Xfce desktop?
To partly answer my own questions:
I can't see my updating to the newer Pepp OS Bookworm whilst my current Pepp OS Bullseye has support for the next few years.
As for plain Debian, I believe I tried it and it came pre-loaded with software and what I like about Pepp OS is the minimal install that allows me to add software I actually use, which isn't much.
Any thoughts from others?
why would you even install pepp os over mint xfce?
mostly it would be preference..... so that would be ultimately up to you really...LOL
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i cant even synchronize the time with server in pepp os bcz something called NTP is not installed and i dont even know how to install it. I also cant view my native language which is not english and dont know how to install it. Should not these have been installed beforehand? or is the userbase supposed to be veteran linux users?
Your are right those things should be left up to the user. You do not need to be a veteran user to install them...we can certainly help guide you through the process...
With all that said if you are truly not interested in doing these things..
We do partner with AçorOS we work together on both Peppermint and AçorOS
AçorOS - is for meant users like yourself who want more than just a blank starting point. AçorOS is led by one of our Developers @manuelr-123 , I would say if you think PeppermintOS is not your flow, give the partner OS ago, We support it just like we do Peppermint... If you have any questions just feel free to ask here.
Download AcorOS Here - hope that helps
is AcorOS as light on system resources as peppermint os?
I would say so, its built structurally similarly to Peppermint
install ntpsec-ntpdate then reboot, that should sort it. myself and someone else have run into this already.
No need to rush....I myself am still running the Pep BullsEye.
pick whichever one you feel like, if you want to use a window manager instead of xfce then plain debian would be the better option.
i use pep for mini xfce build, solydx for a lazy install and tried crunchbang++ recently so i could do a quick openbox install. if i need to add to it i just modify my build script i use across debian and ubuntu
I'd nver heard of SolydXK Linux . Very interesting...
---->> is AcorOS as light on system resources as peppermint os?
I don't know " how light " it is, but..
I have tried 4 of them on my 10 year old Lenovo (not msdos partitioning ) and all runs just fine.
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It is built in many ways similar to peppermint in terms of how it is built......but, It focuses on that Out of the box tools installed. ... that new users would prefer... Its stocked with Software you normally see in preinstalled distros......To me speed wise etc... yes its about the same depending on the desktop you use. the difference is predefined applications and configured layout. Where as Peppermint is really focused on choice for all. And AcorOS is the "let us help you learn linux" point of view. The same group of folks that build peppermint help AcorOS with @manuelr-123 being the project lead there. We take pointers and vision aspect from him, and we all share ideas together...just as we do here in Peppermint
I hope that help...;)
Ahhh yes... SolydXK I really like those guys.....I have a soft spot for that distro