Gentlemen,, that is a truly awesome stocking stuffer for my Christmas Morning ....really great!!!
To you Peppermint OS, Cavy, and the rest who make this possible, a most heartfelt thanks and hope this Christmas Day sees you and yours a most blessed year to come.... happy as a bug here in ole Tennessee!!!
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Thanks Team Peppermint for all your hard work. Hope its a great Christmas. Just tried out Peppermint Classic in live enviroment. Looks really good. No Devuan version ?? :)
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generalmooseance,
The person who maintains that is @jfaulk1230
he is also the ARM maintainer for Peppermint. It would be up to him if that happens...
But a bit of conversation with him this morning, the classic is geared towards the "ubuntu" feature set working etc...
hmmm if he tried a Devuan spin there would be some things that would not be... in particular snap
as well as some other systemd specific features.
For now at least the classic would be a nod to remembrance of Pep10 and MG's legacy for Peppermint.
I hope that helps
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tried it, forgot about that hybrid setup on 10 now that im used to pure xfce. would take a while to get used to it again.
i see vindsl modified the wallpaper, i actually have a proper red version i can upload on my flickr acct if you want it.
ntp support and the xfce4-goodies are missing in the live mode anyway, for fixing the time and panel widgets.
not sure if i could go back to the hybrid desktop but im sure many would prefer it if they havent upgraded from 10 yet. prebuild iso will definitely keep some happy.
So from what I have read, as of now, the current list of things to be fixed are:
ntp (again)
xfce-goodies
weird titlebar placement on UEFI for the installer
open in terminal action does not work for nemo
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not sure if its a limitation of the live environment but i cannot set an irish keyboard layout that will apply, as you can in the screeshot its installed with the uk one but the us is still active even after logging out and back in.
You can upgrade to bookworm, and you can also get the current wallpapers.
The upgrade is a bit tedious, but if you are wiling to go through the process, I can walk you through it with some upgrade step, and also how to get the wallpapers.
but yes you can upgrade, and get all the newest wallpaper, and PepTools features.
Hope that helps
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Thanks, but I wanted to ask this:
I read that "Peppermint Classic" is based on "Bookworm" but if I install it I can foresee a future development which can then be updated in a simple and automatic way (as you are experimenting with "Bullseye" - but this update has not arrived yet) or if "peppermint Classic" do you consider it a version "for its own sake" or will it continue?
Thank you and Happy 2024!
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I don't see classic continuing as a main release. In reality that is side a project by one of the maintainers. If that person has plans to do something that will be solely his choice. and hosted in his repo, but from a PeppermintOS project point of view, the classic is not a official build.
Hope that helps
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Classic uses solely the Debian repos, so you can (theoretically) update it indefinitely, so it would not matter if I continued it or not. As Grafiksinc has stated, a future release is up in the air and not certain. it all depends on whether Trixie ends up being a suitable base or not
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Last edit: John Faulk 2024-01-01
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Thanks John, but it's not nice to think that everything is left to a single creator, even if you explained this very well. But it's not like we can install an OS. and then stop if maybe Trixie isn't suitable.
I see some confusion about the versions after switching to Debian. Wouldn't it be easier to define the version list (for greater comprehensibility) as Mint does, as:
Peppermint - with the following flavors:
- Xfce: based on Debian, Devuan......
- Lxde: Classic - based on Debian
And thus be able to march together again in parallel, because it doesn't make much sense for one to be official (Xfce) and another not (Lxde - Classic).
Is it possible to make Pepp Classic one of the main ones?
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Even if Classic became a core edition*, it would not guarantee is continuity. Many of the components, transplanted from Peppermint 10 directly, are aging and may not work in the future. And with the push to wayland, it is likely LXDE will eventually get scuttled in Debian, causing the components on top of which Classic relies to be missing. There ARE some experiments currently in using LXQt instead, but they are still very early.
*This is entirely up to Grafiksinc, not me.
Last edit: John Faulk 2024-01-05
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hmmm..... forgive me I will break this down by sections, to help answer the questions valuable points that are made in this posting,
Thanks John, but it's not nice to think that everything is left to a single creator, even if you explained this very well. But it's not like we can install an OS. and then stop if maybe Trixie isn't suitable.
In the case of Peppermint Classic, from the point of view of the Peppermint OS project, this is a "community build". From that stand point we encourage community members to spin their own Peppermint OS and share their work. It just so happens in this case John is a member of the Peppermint project Dev team, It is something he endeavored on his own accord, he wanted to pay tribute to the past Pepperminters, this happens in other projects as well, meaning this is not an uncommon practice, the developer still focuses on the goals and roadmap of Peppermint OS project, at the same time the developer spun up a side classic spin in his own vision, which is totally cool I think..
We do make our own builders available to the public here: bubbles - builder for the main desktop line mini - builder for the mini builds server - builder for the server builds
To that end, in terms of John being the only maintainer for his classic spin, yes that is the case for the moment unless he builds a team around that spin. As his team grows I am sure there will be great things to see.
I see some confusion about the versions after switching to Debian. Wouldn't it be easier to define the version list (for greater comprehensibility) as Mint does, as:
Peppermint - with the following flavors:
- Xfce: based on Debian, Devuan......
- Lxde: Classic - based on Debian
And thus be able to march together again in parallel, because it doesn't make much sense for one to be official (Xfce) and another not (Lxde - Classic).
Is it possible to make Pepp Classic one of the main ones?
I just want to provide some clarity on the versioning.
The operating systems versioning explanation is documented here
regardless of the desktops we ship with the underlying features are simply the same we in turn do a builddate some folks call it a changelog,here. The peppermint project ISOs are separated on the websitehere by desktops, but they are complied using bubbles and the mini builders with the same features and compiled daily. Meaning if we make change in one place all ISOs are updated.
The point of just a PeppermintOS is that its based on Devuan and Debian, we don't make any changes to those core packages, we do add or mod things with it, but that is why we track them in the build date. with the idea we deploy as we need to, while maintaining the changes logged in the build date.
In the case of the Classic spin John has developed his own build process with his own tools, which is not, in any way related to the main project. he has his own deployment plan and timelines, that are very different from the peppermint project.
Finally although the Classic spin is a nice remembrance of the past the goals and vision of the project have changed.
PeppermintOS
It is a community distro, for all age groups and abilities meaning we are not just targeting new users, we are something for all users both veteran and new.
For the desktop, our core value is to offer a minimalist desktop, giving the individual the choice of what they want to install, beyond a few base tools and custom themes and icon sets. You will notice each desktop we offer, is pretty bland with a nice Peppermint styling. It is that way on purpose to give the user a starting point to make the system their own.
It is a bare-bones OS, with no firewall, browser, office or media player. This reason, is each community member has their own idea of how and what they would like to install to their computer.
That is why the classic is considered a community spin and will not be a part of the Peppermint project.
I hope that helps, if you have any question please let me know,
Last edit: Peppermint OS 2024-01-06
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just installed classic on an old pentium 4 machine which replaced crunchbang++, wanted to put regular pep but the installer gave an error about some ip not found.
classic installed fine though, ill get around to setting up the applications i need later.
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@jfaulk1230 would you have your live-build files available? I did not see it on Peppermint's Codeberg. Also a suggestion/request ---> could the additional Pep Repos be added for things like xfdashboard?
Thanks
Last edit: Leviticus 2024-02-27
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hmmm... I would prefer compiling it from source.. hmmm would it be acceptable, to provide a compiler script to pull and build from source, then install it..... peppermint ships with make and git anyway, that would doable, would just need to add in the needed dependencies and it should be good.
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In a tribute to the history of Peppermint we have been around since 2010. Here is a nice classic build, that is available for those nostalgic users.
https://peppermintos.com/2023/12/peppermint-classic/
Gentlemen,, that is a truly awesome stocking stuffer for my Christmas Morning ....really great!!!
To you Peppermint OS, Cavy, and the rest who make this possible, a most heartfelt thanks and hope this Christmas Day sees you and yours a most blessed year to come.... happy as a bug here in ole Tennessee!!!
Lovin' Classic :)
Last edit: VinDSL 2023-12-26
Give Classic a whirl. You won't be sorry...
Thanks Team Peppermint for all your hard work. Hope its a great Christmas. Just tried out Peppermint Classic in live enviroment. Looks really good. No Devuan version ?? :)
generalmooseance,
The person who maintains that is @jfaulk1230
he is also the ARM maintainer for Peppermint. It would be up to him if that happens...
But a bit of conversation with him this morning, the classic is geared towards the "ubuntu" feature set working etc...
hmmm if he tried a Devuan spin there would be some things that would not be... in particular snap
as well as some other systemd specific features.
For now at least the classic would be a nod to remembrance of Pep10 and MG's legacy for Peppermint.
I hope that helps
Thanks peppermint OS for update. No worries. All good. What I have works well anyway. happy New Year to all.
tried it, forgot about that hybrid setup on 10 now that im used to pure xfce. would take a while to get used to it again.
i see vindsl modified the wallpaper, i actually have a proper red version i can upload on my flickr acct if you want it.
ntp support and the xfce4-goodies are missing in the live mode anyway, for fixing the time and panel widgets.
not sure if i could go back to the hybrid desktop but im sure many would prefer it if they havent upgraded from 10 yet. prebuild iso will definitely keep some happy.
So from what I have read, as of now, the current list of things to be fixed are:
ntp (again)
xfce-goodies
weird titlebar placement on UEFI for the installer
open in terminal action does not work for nemo
not sure if its a limitation of the live environment but i cannot set an irish keyboard layout that will apply, as you can in the screeshot its installed with the uk one but the us is still active even after logging out and back in.
Is an update from bullseye possible?
Or in a while?
And are the wallpapers included the previous ones from the other versions, or are they just the new ones?
You can upgrade to bookworm, and you can also get the current wallpapers.
The upgrade is a bit tedious, but if you are wiling to go through the process, I can walk you through it with some upgrade step, and also how to get the wallpapers.
but yes you can upgrade, and get all the newest wallpaper, and PepTools features.
Hope that helps
Thanks, but I wanted to ask this:
I read that "Peppermint Classic" is based on "Bookworm" but if I install it I can foresee a future development which can then be updated in a simple and automatic way (as you are experimenting with "Bullseye" - but this update has not arrived yet) or if "peppermint Classic" do you consider it a version "for its own sake" or will it continue?
Thank you and Happy 2024!
I don't see classic continuing as a main release. In reality that is side a project by one of the maintainers. If that person has plans to do something that will be solely his choice. and hosted in his repo, but from a PeppermintOS project point of view, the classic is not a official build.
Hope that helps
Hi Simone, I'm the creator of Classic.
Classic uses solely the Debian repos, so you can (theoretically) update it indefinitely, so it would not matter if I continued it or not. As Grafiksinc has stated, a future release is up in the air and not certain. it all depends on whether Trixie ends up being a suitable base or not
Last edit: John Faulk 2024-01-01
Thanks John, but it's not nice to think that everything is left to a single creator, even if you explained this very well. But it's not like we can install an OS. and then stop if maybe Trixie isn't suitable.
I see some confusion about the versions after switching to Debian. Wouldn't it be easier to define the version list (for greater comprehensibility) as Mint does, as:
Peppermint - with the following flavors:
- Xfce: based on Debian, Devuan......
- Lxde: Classic - based on Debian
And thus be able to march together again in parallel, because it doesn't make much sense for one to be official (Xfce) and another not (Lxde - Classic).
Is it possible to make Pepp Classic one of the main ones?
Even if Classic became a core edition*, it would not guarantee is continuity. Many of the components, transplanted from Peppermint 10 directly, are aging and may not work in the future. And with the push to wayland, it is likely LXDE will eventually get scuttled in Debian, causing the components on top of which Classic relies to be missing. There ARE some experiments currently in using LXQt instead, but they are still very early.
*This is entirely up to Grafiksinc, not me.
Last edit: John Faulk 2024-01-05
hmmm..... forgive me I will break this down by sections, to help answer the questions valuable points that are made in this posting,
In the case of Peppermint Classic, from the point of view of the Peppermint OS project, this is a "community build". From that stand point we encourage community members to spin their own Peppermint OS and share their work. It just so happens in this case John is a member of the Peppermint project Dev team, It is something he endeavored on his own accord, he wanted to pay tribute to the past Pepperminters, this happens in other projects as well, meaning this is not an uncommon practice, the developer still focuses on the goals and roadmap of Peppermint OS project, at the same time the developer spun up a side classic spin in his own vision, which is totally cool I think..
We do make our own builders available to the public here:
bubbles - builder for the main desktop line
mini - builder for the mini builds
server - builder for the server builds
To that end, in terms of John being the only maintainer for his classic spin, yes that is the case for the moment unless he builds a team around that spin. As his team grows I am sure there will be great things to see.
I just want to provide some clarity on the versioning.
The operating systems versioning explanation is documented here
regardless of the desktops we ship with the underlying features are simply the same we in turn do a builddate some folks call it a changelog,here. The peppermint project ISOs are separated on the websitehere by desktops, but they are complied using bubbles and the mini builders with the same features and compiled daily. Meaning if we make change in one place all ISOs are updated.
The point of just a PeppermintOS is that its based on Devuan and Debian, we don't make any changes to those core packages, we do add or mod things with it, but that is why we track them in the build date. with the idea we deploy as we need to, while maintaining the changes logged in the build date.
In the case of the Classic spin John has developed his own build process with his own tools, which is not, in any way related to the main project. he has his own deployment plan and timelines, that are very different from the peppermint project.
Finally although the Classic spin is a nice remembrance of the past the goals and vision of the project have changed.
PeppermintOS
It is a community distro, for all age groups and abilities meaning we are not just targeting new users, we are something for all users both veteran and new.
For the desktop, our core value is to offer a minimalist desktop, giving the individual the choice of what they want to install, beyond a few base tools and custom themes and icon sets. You will notice each desktop we offer, is pretty bland with a nice Peppermint styling. It is that way on purpose to give the user a starting point to make the system their own.
It is a bare-bones OS, with no firewall, browser, office or media player. This reason, is each community member has their own idea of how and what they would like to install to their computer.
That is why the classic is considered a community spin and will not be a part of the Peppermint project.
I hope that helps, if you have any question please let me know,
Last edit: Peppermint OS 2024-01-06
just installed classic on an old pentium 4 machine which replaced crunchbang++, wanted to put regular pep but the installer gave an error about some ip not found.
classic installed fine though, ill get around to setting up the applications i need later.
@jfaulk1230 would you have your live-build files available? I did not see it on Peppermint's Codeberg. Also a suggestion/request ---> could the additional Pep Repos be added for things like xfdashboard?
Thanks
Last edit: Leviticus 2024-02-27
For this part:
If someone in the community would be willing to take on maintaining that package absolutely, we can add it to the repos.
On a side note:
It is crazy that package has been in RFP status for almost 10 years. over on Debian
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788332
hmmm... I would prefer compiling it from source.. hmmm would it be acceptable, to provide a compiler script to pull and build from source, then install it..... peppermint ships with make and git anyway, that would doable, would just need to add in the needed dependencies and it should be good.
Last edit: Peppermint OS 2024-02-28
Leviticus,
If you are interested in installing xfdashboard from source, here is a tool that I built for the community here thanks! for the idea.
Last edit: Peppermint OS 2024-03-05