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[Pcgen-team-content] [JIRA] (DATA-4043) Bloodrager Draconic Claws not right
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From: JIRA (f. S. C. ) <ji...@pc...> - 2019-12-27 12:04:42
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text-decoration: none">Re: Bloodrager Draconic Claws not right</a> </span> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td id="text-paragraph-pattern-top" class="email-content-main mobile-expand comment-top-pattern" style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; border-right: 1px solid #cccccc; border-top: 0; border-bottom: 0; padding: 0 15px 0 16px; background-color: #ffffff; border-bottom: none; padding-bottom: 0" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <table class="text-paragraph-pattern" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="100%" style="border-collapse: collapse; mso-table-lspace: 0; mso-table-rspace: 0; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-text-raise: 2px"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="text-paragraph-pattern-container mobile-resize-text " style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 10px"> <blockquote style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; color: #707070; margin-left: 19px; padding: 10px 20px"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0">So, let’s address the rules issue:</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">1. Dragon Claws are permanent, they are not specified as bloodraging only, like many of the other powers.</p> </blockquote> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">I was relying on ACG p.16 last para “…Unless otherwise specified, he gains the effects of his bloodline powers onlu while in a bloodrage; once the bloodrage ends, all powers from his bloodline immediately cease, and any physical changes the bloodrager underwent revert, restoring him to normal.”</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0"><a href="http://d20pfsrd.com" class="external-link" rel="nofollow noreferrer" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none">d20pfsrd.com</a> has the same text:</p> <h3 style="margin: 10px 0 0; font-size: 16px; line-height: 1.563; margin: 30px 0 0"><a name="BloodragerBloodlines" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none"></a>Bloodrager Bloodlines</h3> <blockquote style="margin: 10px 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; color: #707070; margin-left: 19px; padding: 10px 20px"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0">When a bloodrager enters a bloodrage, he often takes on a physical transformation influenced by his bloodline and powered by the magic that roils within him. Unless otherwise specified, he gains the effects of his bloodline powers only while in a bloodrage; once the bloodrage ends, all powers from his bloodline immediately cease, and any physical changes the bloodrager underwent revert, restoring him to normal.</p> </blockquote> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">cf Draconic, “Power of Wyrms (Su): At 20th level… You have these benefits constantly, even while not bloodraging.” - an example of the “otherwise specified” bit.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">Claws are like the 4th level Aberrant “Abnormal Reach” - they come with the rage, and revert at end.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">That’s a rules interpretation. I thought it was clear, but it appears others read differently.</p> <blockquote style="margin: 10px 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; color: #707070; margin-left: 19px; padding: 10px 20px"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0">2. Yeah, takes a full reload, adding Spells/Natural Attacks doesn’t refresh instantly in PCGen.</p> </blockquote> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">Ah! that probably explains most of my subsequent problems. It’s not always obvious when a full-reload is needed.</p> <blockquote style="margin: 10px 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; color: #707070; margin-left: 19px; padding: 10px 20px"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0">3. Not sure what bug you’ve uncovered, but if I can’t test, I can’t debug.</p> </blockquote> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">so, <em>without reloading</em>, I had tried removing the Draconic Bloodline.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">If you add Draconic Bloodline, then remove it, the option to choose a Draconic Bloodline Type remains and is still active.</p> <blockquote style="margin: 10px 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; color: #707070; margin-left: 19px; padding: 10px 20px"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0">4. No idea. Sounds like you broke something internal and have triggered a nasty NPE in your error log.</p> </blockquote> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">still without reloading… if you Add Draconic Bloodline, then remove it, then you cannot undo the mistaken removal and add it back.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">Presumably a full reload solves the problem - will try.</p> <blockquote style="margin: 10px 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; color: #707070; margin-left: 19px; padding: 10px 20px"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0">5. Not sure, you like making all the crazy combos that aren’t normally rules legal, and probably have a bunch of errors that I don’t have before me to review. Rule of thumb, once you break PCGen capture the log and submit. Anything done after that point is null and void.</p> </blockquote> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">this one is down to “if you have one Primary Natural Attack, then the Str bonus is 1.5*Str instead of 1*Str”, and I had assumed was just based on counting the number of Natural Attacks. Again, I’ll try a Full Reload.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">OK, so restart.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">Winter Wolf, Warrior 3.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">1,2,5) Add Bloodrager 1. Save, Reload. Look at character. Has Bite, Claws, both at 1*Str. Claws are always on, no option to rage.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">3) after reload, remove Draconic Bloodline. but Draconic Bloodline Type remains. Save, close, reload. Draconic Bloodline Type has now gone.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">4) after remove and reload, I can re-add Draconic Bloodline.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">so - all is down to “you must reload the character immediately after adding <em>some</em> options, but not <em>all</em> options, and it’s not obvious which options require a reload.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">I think you can close this.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">If I want to press the issue of Bloodline Claws are always on, I’d have to raise a new issue, but</p> <ul> <li>it’s clearly complex and related to the formula engine.]</li> <li>I’m guessing it affects all Bloodrager bloodlines.</li> <li>the absence of a Rage temp. ability for Bloodrager means they depend on always-on as a substitute.</li> <li>PCGen is cooling down to on-hold… 😞</li> </ul> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">So I guess I’ll leave it for now.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">(Besides the character ended up as a Skald instead…)</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">Thank you for your efforts.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="email-content-main mobile-expand " style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; border-right: 1px solid #cccccc; border-top: 0; border-bottom: 0; padding: 0 15px 0 16px; background-color: #ffffff" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <script type="application/ld+json"> { "@context": "http://schema.org", "@type": "EmailMessage", "description": "View Issue", "potentialAction": { "@type": "ViewAction", "target": "https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net/browse/DATA-4043?inbox=true&focusedCommentId=50845&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-50845", "name": "View Comment" }, "publisher": { "@type": "Organization", "name": "Atlassian", "url": "https://www.atlassian.com" } } </script> <table id="actions-pattern" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="100%" style="border-collapse: collapse; mso-table-lspace: 0; mso-table-rspace: 0; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-text-raise: 1px"> <tbody> <tr> <td id="actions-pattern-container" valign="middle" style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 10px 0 10px 24px; vertical-align: middle; padding-left: 0"> <table align="left" style="border-collapse: collapse; mso-table-lspace: 0; mso-table-rspace: 0"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="actions-pattern-action-icon-container" style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-text-raise: 0; vertical-align: middle"> <a href="https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net/browse/DATA-4043#add-comment?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiZTg0N2UzYmI3ZGFmNDJhYWFiYWYyOWFjMjM2YmVkZjAiLCJwIjoiaiJ9" target="_blank" title="Add Comment" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none"> <img class="actions-pattern-action-icon-image" src="cid:jira-generated-image-static-comment-icon-b01c6373-a541-4103-91d6-bb7ed8950dc4" alt="Add Comment" title="Add Comment" height="16" width="16" border="0" style="vertical-align: middle"> </a> </td> <td class="actions-pattern-action-text-container" style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-text-raise: 4px; padding-left: 5px"> <a href="https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net/browse/DATA-4043#add-comment?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiZTg0N2UzYmI3ZGFmNDJhYWFiYWYyOWFjMjM2YmVkZjAiLCJwIjoiaiJ9" target="_blank" title="Add Comment" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none">Add Comment</a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> <!-- there needs to be content in the cell for it to render in some clients --> <tr> <td class="email-content-rounded-bottom mobile-expand" style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; color: #ffffff; padding: 0 15px 0 16px; height: 5px; line-height: 5px; background-color: #ffffff; border-top: 0; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; border-bottom: 1px solid #cccccc; border-right: 1px solid #cccccc; border-bottom-right-radius: 5px; border-bottom-left-radius: 5px; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" height="5" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td id="footer-pattern" style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 12px 20px"> <table id="footer-pattern-container" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse: collapse; mso-table-lspace: 0; mso-table-rspace: 0"> <tbody> <tr> <td id="footer-pattern-mobile-separated-links" class="mobile-resize-text" width="100%" colspan="2" style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; color: #999999; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-text-raise: 2px"> Get Jira notifications on your phone! 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