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Bugs item #1550467, was opened at 2006-09-01 12:18 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by karianna You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=384719&aid=1550467&group_id=25576 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Skill Support Group: To be fixed For 5.12 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Busara (busara) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Incorrect Jump modifier when creating Halfling D&D 3.5e char Initial Comment: I am relatively new to D&D, but I believe I have found an error in the way PCGen is calculating the Jump skill modifier. I have verified my findings with some friends and they believe I am correct. If I have missed something and PCGen is not making an error, I apologize. When I use PCGen to create a new D&D character using 3.5e settings, I believe the Jump modifier is calculated incorrectly when using the Halfling race. I have created a Halfling Rogue with Total Strength 12 (Str entered = 14, Halfling Str modifier is -2), which gives the character a +1 Str Ability Mod. According to the System Reference Document v3.5, Halflings get a +2 racial bonus on both Climb and Jump. This thus should bring the total Jump modifier to +3 (+2 racial bonus plus +1 Str Ability Mod), instead of the -3 that PCGen is currently calculating. The Climb modifier is calculated correctly, and shows a +3 modifier. When I click PCGen's Preview tab and view the Skills overview, the Jump skill shows a -4 Misc modifier at the far right. This, combined with the +1 Str Ability Mod, results in the -3 that PCGen is calculating. I believe it is this incorrectly calculated -4 Misc modifier at the far right that is causing the problem, for as far as I know, the Jump calculation should be handled in exactly the same way as the Climb one. If I use a different race (for instance: Human) and set the same Total Strength 12, the Jump and Climb modifiers seem to be calculating correctly. This makes me believe that the Halfling's +2 Jump bonus is handled incorrectly in PCGen. For all situations above, I have not yet assigned any Skill Ranks. The characters are basic and level 1, with no modifiers beyond what has been detailed above. The assumed Jump modifier calculation error is occuring in at least all recent (2 months) PCGen releases (both stable and other releases) up to (and including) v5.11.0. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Martijn Verburg (karianna) Date: 2006-09-01 13:11 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=252169 Excellant, that's all we need to know, should get fixed soon I'd imagine - K ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Busara (busara) Date: 2006-09-01 13:06 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1588431 Thanks for the quick response karianna. I hope we can find a solution to this one. :) Here's my answers to your questions: 1. I have not found any -4 modifier for Halfling (small) characters on Jump. I have checked the Skills/Jump section of the RSRS but no -4 modifier is listed there. And in the Races/Halfling section there's no negative Jump modifier either (but there is a +4 on Hide). Just to verify, I have used a freeware program called "RedBlade 3.5e" to create the same Halfling Rogue character, and with that program the Jump skill is treated identically to the Climb one, and calculations are correct. According to the RSRD, Halflings get a +2 bonus on Jump: "+2 racial bonus on Climb, Jump, and Move Silently checks." http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/ races.html 2. If I add skill ranks, for example 2 Jump ranks, the -4 misc modifier is still there - clearly visible on the Overview tab. The total Jump modifier (after adding the 2 ranks) is then +1 Str Ability mod plus +2 ranks plus -4 misc is a total Jump modifier of -1) It seems PCGen is incorrectly assuming -4 is my Halfling's racial Jump bonus (instead of the +2 I am expecting). The difference between -4 and +2 is huge, and I cannot explain it. 3. The issue already occurs before my character has even purchased any items. The problem is already visible before any equipment is bought/equipped. Again, thank you for your quick reply karianna! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Martijn Verburg (karianna) Date: 2006-09-01 12:32 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=252169 Hi there, thanks for a great bug report! We sometimes don't get alot of the detail that we'd like :-). A couple of questions: 1.) Haven't checked the RSRD, but as Halflings are small don't they get -4 misc modifier to Jump? 2.) When you do add skill ranks does it still apply the -4 misc modifier? 3.) Lastly have you added any equipment to the halfling? It could be a load/weight problem... Thanks again K ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=384719&aid=1550467&group_id=25576 |