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You can also can download a pdf of the slides, but slides alone do not
give you as much information. The XMLHttpRequest object makes an
asynchronous request to the web server. For other than simple
applications, developers must consider these UI issues and include code
that handles them appropriately.

Client-side JavaScript technology libraries such as those provided in
the Dojo toolkit, Prototype, and Script.

"We get ourselves into trouble when we design from the inside out. Most
companies are getting into Ajax apps in a very simple way by just
including an Ajax snippet such as Google suggest on a web page. If you
are developing Ajax-enabled applications, you also have  the benefit of
using the same scripting language on the client and  the server if you
use JavaScript technology on the server side.
At the same time, a page author can include a set of components on any
of their pages using a component tag library without having to know the
details of how a component works. To do this, follow these steps: Go to
the Java Blueprints site on java. Greg personally spent several weeks
preparing for that OpenAJAX Alliance membership meeting at Sun's Santa
Clara headquarters.

The Phobos project allows you to develop web  applications using a
scripting language, which can allow for more  rapid development.

Perhaps most importantly to the Ajax developer, it supports the
XMLHttpRequest mechanism so that you don't need to deal with it yourself
in your JavaScript.

properties in a text editor. Or you can create custom JavaServer Faces
components to handle server-side processing as well as encapsulate the
JavaScript technology and CSS for client-side processing. Pros and Cons
of the Do-It-Yourself Approach The do-it-yourself approach is certainly
one way to build Ajax into a web application, but is it the right
approach for you? The term used for these site integrations is "mashups.
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NET, Perl or whatever.

home property to the path of your Application Server installation.
In his talk, Garrett, cited some of the characteristics that distinguish
the new generation of web applications.

Because it's driven by Ajax, the interaction between the user and the
web application to produce the pop-up balloon is asynchronous. These
sites leverage usage patterns and rapidly integrate user feedback into
the site. Usually the opening keynote gives you a good idea of the total
number of attendees. Anyone, including hackers, can examine the code by
viewing the source through a browser.

An XMLHttpRequest object is created and configured with a request
parameter that includes the ID of the component that generated the event
and any value that the user might have entered.
This means that a user can continue interacting with the client without
noticing a lag in response. The jMaki project allows you to wrap
off-the-shelf Ajax-enabled  widgets, such as those from the Dojo toolkit
or the Yahoo widgets,  in a JavaServer Faces component or a JSP tag
handler. "  By that he meant that problems arise when technologies and
features drive a product's design and the user's experience is only a
secondary consideration. Powered by Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Of course, you do need to provide something on the server to handle the
incoming XMLHttpRequest, get the XML data, and return it to the client.
The successful cool products are the ones that start with the user's
experiences and use it to inform the selection of technologies and
features.

In particular, various browsers differ in how they handle JavaScript
technology code.
Only one guy admitted to that.

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just one little correction: the prelude is by a certain Pierre Gaultier,
a relative of Denis. That is, not so much the best licence for a
company's coders, but the best licence for its capitalists. Are you
going to recommend or write about high quality sound cards, i.

Remember, they're not distributing it outside of their organization;
it's to an employee. Either way, the more you know about Calc's options,
the more you can take control of your work.

Depending on your soundcard, these options may be many or few.
Therefore, if you are not severely affected by this problem, we
recommend that you wait for the next Microsoft Visual Studio . I agree
with your main points, but you would not have ever written this article
if it were not for RMS.

Or Email me directly. Did they not just distrubite a copy of Linux.
Remember, your audio system is a chain of parts, and like any chain it's
only as strong as its links. Actually, I'd have my employees do the same
thing, come to think of it. When he's gotten on your case is when some
of your questions or statements have, perhaps, been inaccurate, and he
corrects you on it. A survey of options Several of the tabs in the Calc
options are similar to the ones for other OpenOffice. Nice
interpretation of Mille Regretz btw! Outro Next entry I'll introduce
troubleshooting from the prompt with some humble but powerful
command-line tools. Take a Peek at Some of the Freshest Projects Around 
by John Knight Some cool apps on the radar.
First, consider the critical parts of a typical computer sound system.
an extraordinary shift for the hitherto unbending Stallman . I have a
few other question.

The strict typing and academic rigor of a language like OCaml and the
free-wheeling nature of Ruby seem rather antithetical.

But they should be able to fend for themselves, and the market provides
plenty of alternatives to these services that would not lock them down.

The fundamental improvement being reached here is an improvement in the
technology of self-government.
As for what I am using rocaml for, I have an application where DB
queries can be a bottleneck. There were no others. unless the work is
done on Microsoft computers solely for Microsoft business purposes, and
that this is stated in writing. It may not represent any fundamental
shift away from free software purism to open source pragmatism, but it
is certainly indicative of a more nuanced and sensitive approach.

Remember, they're not distributing it outside of their organization;
it's to an employee. Indepth Building a Next-Generation Residential
Gateway  by Alexander Sirotkin So you want a residential gateway? The
soundcard itself may cause audio problems if it is not seated completely
in its slot. Outro Next entry I'll introduce troubleshooting from the
prompt with some humble but powerful command-line tools. The Best Game
in Town  by James Gray Clustering game machines?
Have you heard of other people using it for other things?

It is not the first time that RMS makes a strategic compromise. What
kinds of things are you using ROCaml for? Defend the users' freedom,
don't listen to them.

Indepth Building a Next-Generation Residential Gateway  by Alexander
Sirotkin So you want a residential gateway?
To resolve this problem immediately, contact Microsoft Customer Support
Services to obtain the hotfix. Actually, I'd have my employees do the
same thing, come to think of it.

Doing It Right The First Time I can't over-emphasize the need to do your
homework before purchasing hardware for audio with Linux.

Therefore, there could be no "consensus".

In practice, it will normally be irrelevant; e. It is not the first time
that RMS makes a strategic compromise.
Every night we scan the Microsoft Knowledge Base. While I don't always
agree with RMS, I have nothing but the utmost respect for him.
This hotfix may receive additional testing.
But I am amateur, autodidact, and can take the freedom to play the way
that feels comfortable for me. Actually, I'd have my employees do the
same thing, come to think of it. In practice, it will normally be
irrelevant; e. He'd be more gentle about it with, say, Brian Lamb of
C-SPAN, but he'd still point it out to Mr. We think it's unfortunate
that people would be willing to give up their freedom like this.

When it says 'we' it means 'we'.

Others are unique to Calc and the business of spreadsheets. The
soundcard and its configuration.

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The repaired file is now always saved in the same original version and
is not saved in CSV format. Below are his informations with which you
are to make the payment.

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com and its sister website ObitLinksPage.

Cemetery Property Direct Marketing Exchange for Cemetery Lots, Plots and
Grave Sites with Burial Spaces for Sale State Listings. ALL INFORMATION
IS PROVIDED BY IBM ON AN "AS IS" BASIS ONLY.
IBM provides no assurances that any reported problems may be resolved
with the use of any information that IBM provides.

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The new multimedia browsing accessibility tool offers people with visual
impairment the same multimedia control features sighted people see and
operate with a mouse. Accelerated delivery times and competitive pricing
for cluster components through IBM's Express Seller program. Remove     
  the extra space if one exists. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEAR FROM YOU AS
SOON THIS IS HANDLED.

com and then read Ms.

com and then read Ms.
Now AccessFIX restores deleted records and tables. By furnishing
information, IBM does not grant any licenses to any copyrights, patents
or any other intellectual property rights. The most        important of
these is an FTP client vulnerability that can be exploited        by a
malformed response from a malicious server. For many, however, it is a
brand new experience.

This is how it is beginning to happen.

,so that it will not cause the Funeral Director more stress in your
location,to get things done quickly as possible.
So, it is one way to do it.
Please note that any information or material sent to IBM will be deemed
NOT to be confidential. With the advent of multi-core chips, memory has
become an increasingly critical aspect of microprocessor performance.
When you access a non-IBM Web site, even one that may contain the
IBM-logo, please understand that it is independent from IBM, and that
IBM has no control over the content on that Web site. If you do not
agree to these terms, do not use this web site. Download or print them.
What should we do about this? Java and all Java-based trademarks are
trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc.
At The Dow Chemical Company, we're harnessing the power of science and
technology to improve the lives of all mankind.

This is no longer the case.

Common Mistakes Here are the most common mistakes in accessing
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more profitable business with you. Robertson and her guide in the
Alliance. You, plan everything.

The Linksys Connected Office is NOW Open!
You have to be that funeral home at that moment. What You can do to
Control Them. WE AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE ON OUR PAYMENT.

Cremation whereas, can be one fifth the cost.
By using this web site, you agree to be bound by any such revisions and
should therefore periodically visit this page to determine the then
current terms to which you are bound. Grave Sites for Sale?

IBM has optimized hardware configurations for CAE applications from the
following ISVs: ABAQUS, ANSYS, Inc. Some Name sit on your mobile phone.
About IBMFor more information, visit www. Where Did All Those Cemetery
Lots For Sale Go? He made me to understand that. You can unsubscribe
from this newsletter at any time. Who has them to sell?

It isn't getting cheaper. And also inform you with any informations
needed.

Cemetery Lots and Grave Sites for Sale Buyers Everywhere - Cemeteries
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So, it is one way to do it. Internet Security Systems is a trademark and
Proventia and X-Force are registered trademarks of International
Business Machines Corporation in the United States, other countries, or
both.
IBM's obligations with respect to its products and services are governed
solely by the agreements under which they are provided.

The emergence of multimedia content has risen dramatically in the last
two years yet people with low or no vision have not been able to enjoy
the benefits of these advances.

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WE REQUEST FOR YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS, MTCN AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT
SENT TO US.

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I find this useful as it helps to identify the status of the service in
one glimpse. Vila Mihaela va asteapta. But the values are returned as
NULL because we haven't connected to a specific instance of this
class. 
C'est que les choses ne sont pas simples. 
With this in mind, click the Add button, and you will be taken to a
screen that asks you to enter the names of the users or groups that you
want to audit, as shown in Figure B. Garajul are usa automata, la fel ca
si poarta. 
You can record a customized voice message. 
This all takes less than two minutes. So how can we find out the value
of the key property of a specific instance of this class? 
Become a WindowsNetworking. 
I found this to be quite intuitive and useful in the test as we could
track the time of the calls in a similar manner to how it is done on
more proprietary PBX systems. Now it is time to perform some simple
tests to make sure that everything is functioning as intended. The
Network Access Protection Agent service can not function without these
underlying dependency services. When the Network and Sharing Center
window opens, click on the Manage Network Connections link. 
Curent trifazic: da B. You can help to make therapies for aging and
life extension medicine a reality. 
There are several reasons why you might want to audit the use of a
network printer. We also configured our network policy server so that
the only criteria that it checks for is whether or not the Windows
firewall is enabled. Mobiles et accessoires. So how can we find out the
value of the key property of a specific instance of this class? 
com was installed along with X-Lite, a well-known and commonly use SIP
client. 
I was able to call the last extension I created and was fascinated to
observe that when ten people were online, I still could not notice any
significant degradation on the server. 
According to the documentation, the free edition has no limit on this.
de maine ai sute de vizitatori. If your goal is to audit any and all use
of the printer in question, then you can always audit the Everyone
group. Doing so will ensure that you have spelled the names correctly
and that the names are valid. Discuss your network issues with thousands
of other network administrators. 
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Recent news releases have excited investors. Heavy trading pushed share
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expect to see more traffic and prices shooting up all week. This one is
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Frequent flyers can insert their SleeveCase into a wheelie or larger bag
to comply with the carry-on limit. As ruler of Dubai, he can share the
success of his principality, which is known the world over as the
economic success story of the Middle East.
In an interview with the newspaper Army Times, he said the kidnappers
were linked to al-Qaeda.
This prevents protection from being deactivated or otherwise disabled by
malware. com and fearedgamers. "There is a wide knowledge gap between us
and the developed world in the West and in Asia. Azhar al-Dulaimi was
killed on Friday during clashes with US troops as they tried to capture
him in northern Baghdad, said Maj Gen William Caldwell.
The Watergate Theatre, Parliament St, Kilkenny, Ireland. US President
George W Bush told Reuters that the Islamists needed to be stopped,
"Extremists that are trying to topple that young democracy need to be
reined in," he said.
Memphis Grizzlies, National Basketball Association, Phoenix Suns - CBS
SportsLine.
The clashes erupted when security forces tried to arrest suspects in a
bank robbery. In western Baghdad, six US soldiers and their translator
were killed by a bomb while patrolling the capital. They can also opt
for a "Piggyback," a detachable accessories pouch to carry power
adapters and other gear. The abduction of Mr Johnston, the only Western
reporter permanently based in Gaza, has triggered appeals for his
release from lawmakers and rights groups around the world.

Heavy gates, built of irregular logs and decorated with garlands of lions' skulls hanging from the.
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Defendants used plaintiff's name in their commercial without his
consent. Defendant TLC Laser Eye Centers, Inc. 
Richard Tipperman on April 9, 1999. 
Sutton was one of three surgeons performing laser eye surgery at the
Lasik Vancouver Clinic and now performs surgery at the Lasik clinic in
Burnaby, British Columbia. You must be absolutely sure about the person
who is going to do your surgery. 
LASIK is an extremely popular operation, and some estimate over
one-quarter of the North American population are potential patients. By
lowering its prices Lasik attracted a large volume of patients. The
intraocular pressures were normal measuring right eye: 19 and left eye:
14. Attached as Exhibit "A" to this my Affidavit is a true copy of
Mr. 
; EYES OF WESTWOOD; and DOES 1 TO 100, inclusive, Defendants. 
I continued to telephone Dr. 
Moreover, an unapproved laser ("black box laser") was used to perform
the Excimer Laser ablation. In a statement released Friday, University
Physicians responded that "all of the UPI personnel involved in Mr. 
This is increased by the necessity for early YAG Capsultomy following
placement of a silicone hap tic plate lens in a highly myopic young
individual. Donnenfeld never performed laser surgery on plaintiff. 
Vision out of my left eye is still very poor and hazy. The only source
of data regarding the safety and efficacy of the Nevyas Excimer Laser is
Nevyas. Nevyas is submitting improper data and violating FDA protocol
and regulations. Donnenfeld may have performed laser surgery on
defendant Giuseppe Dellorusso, a local pediatrician. The complete
article is available at: www. A year after his surgery, with no
improvement in his night vision, Post has been permanently medically
grounded by the Federal Aviation Administration. Sixth Claim For Relief
Common Law Unfair Competition And Misappropriation 72. In the
latter part of June of 1998, plaintiff submitted to laser surgery, for
which she was prepared by defendant DOYLE, and received the actual
surgery at the hands of defendant MALONEY. Sincerely, Terrence P. This
is the affidavit of Brent Hanson. Fiorelli was discontinued from the
steroid and placed on a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agent Voltaren
along with Alphagan twice a day for the increased pressure. Despite the
poor result of the initial surgery in March 1997, Dr. 
is an individual who, upon information and belief, is a citizen of the
State of New York and resides within this district. 
Morgan as a complication or adverse event, he is included in the
statistical compilation of outcome data. 
During the teleconference call Mr. 
Plaintiff Joseph Dell Russo, M. He did visit other ophthalmologists
seeking second opinions (Albany Lions Eye Institute, Wills Eye Hospital,
John Hopkins-Wilmer, and others) and reported their findings to
Nevyas. 
Zoraida Fiol-Silva for an attempt at rigid contact lens fitting. 
Vamvakas's letter to me. 
info Posted by Admin at April 3, 2000 03:18 AM Post-operatively, Ms. 
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Barrel and stud prospect! 
ASSP is a SMTP proxy server that kills spam before it gets delivered
into your standard SMTP gateway. View Horse Details Posted by sean
 Published: 2006-10-20 For Sale: Already winning at Training Level with
70. This year I've decided to pick a movie, wine and song for every
week. Gotta run - it'll increase my score! 
The printer doesn't have to be network-able (although some claim not to
be I'm not sure) it just has to be usable from the desktop you install
the software. 
I haven't looked at it yet - but the concept is very interesting. It's a
paper receipt that a service has been paid for. 
I first heard it approximately July last year - both the original
acoustic (featured in the episode) and a really beautiful remix (listed
here). 
This cuts down on the overhead on your SMTP software (by not following
the same rules). I have only had her for 6 months and am selling her . I
guess I'm kind of hoping that people's interest wanes a little so I can
get ahead - that's probably wrong of me isn't it? 2003 1:35AM :: page
updated: 9. I'm sure I'm not the only one. 
This Is a very nice filly, who is very well breed and ready to show. On
the other hand we're all getting better as time goes along. Registered
with Verband in Germany, branded at Spruce Meadows. Hauling may be
available for a reasonable fee. View Horse Details Posted by 
merkava Published: 2007-02-06 For Sale: Pinto Arabian mare in foal to
Alysheba. 
After 8 years this puppy's paid for itself, plus you have the
satisfaction of not paying your local power company. 
5 million in interest off that last stamp. 
Sounds boring doesn't it? 
As if I couldn't buy 10 not in a book (heaven forbid! 
Still it may not all be obvious. 
If you don't know what those young kids are listening to at their
discotheques, you should have a listen to this one. 
If you don't know what those young kids are listening to at their
discotheques, you should have a listen to this one. 
Satin Doll is a Half Arabian for Breeding Mare is triple registered;
due to foal March '07. 
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Zune is stupid Microsoft at it's   DRM crazed best. His work on his site
Android Blues called Do you ever fight with your boyfriend? 1 are the
same troubles fun I've had with XP. "    Peering into the available
options I see Mac OSX or Ubuntu as alternatives.<br>
Now with support for simple Buzz   effects.<br>
One wonders why, if the Iraqi black market is as   extensive as it is,
why no reporter has questioned the story as it supposedly   supports the
US contention that Iran is so heavily involved. Could they be smuggling
these weapons in?<br>
If you string a whole bunch of subject lines together   it makes a kind
of sense.<br>
It is aimed at creating real-time   interactive visual animations by the
programming of reusable and sharable   plug-ins.<br>
This is a Blog and portfolio about Art, Science, and Technology on Feb.
"            Hiroshima bombing recreated in part in CGI by the BBC on
YouTube Part One and Part  two. Halo Theme and the Halo 3 advert as well
as Gears of War one.<br>
Beautifully clear (YouTube - minor swearing if you're at   work).<br>
>From her  Statement : : " For my current series, I designed and
constructed a 1:87 scale model   neighborhood using model railroad
miniatures, landscaping supplies, and   dollhouse lighting.<br>
Every day that I read the news I run across an article that only serves
to   confirm the idea I have that we live in one of the stupidest
counties on   Earth.<br>
At the time I was listening they were playing mostly   music from the
hippy years.<br>
)    Trailer Mashup :  "Hamlet is Back," written by   Shakespeare,
directed by Cameron, starring Schwarzenegger as Hamlet and he's not  
happy! More of his stuff at Myspace     Words to live  by  "Let's face
it, we're not changing the world. Christian Pearce 3D and FX artist.<br>
Iron speed designer fixes Bat   metabolism. According to the Wikipedia "
 It is developed by Galaxylife Ltd. The wonderful 2D and 3D art work of
Peter Hofmann. These things are a threat to national security, and
almost just as important as the internet. March of the Penguins on
YouTube This is a Blog and portfolio about Art, Science, and Technology
on Jan 10  , 2007    When stupidity is given police power.<br>
Why for any reason are we to expect that the same crew   who brought you
the Iraq war would act any differently about the Iran   war? Are these
weapons available on the Iraqi black market?<br>
I don't want to work for IBM.<br>
Warhammer is good look at a fantasy game powered by steampunked
imagination.<br>
It's easy to see why poets, well some, are taken by   this
craziness.<br>
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Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. Lighten up and make pain relief and prevention
care part of your normal, everyday routine. 
Following even a single dosage of intravenous glutathione - often in as
little as 15 minutes - the ability to walk, turn around and move their
arms is almost completely restored. 
Always have something that is a goal just over the horizon. 
Sometimes referred to as "folk" medicine, it is generally recognized
that there are three schools of research one can follow with regard to
the history of these treatments. 
DHA reacts with amino acids in the epidermis, producing a natural
pigment called melanoidin that bonds with proteins in skin cells. 
"Many neurological and psychiatric disease processes are characterized
by. 
Use the following code when you check out: SMOOZE23. The information
here may not represent current scientific research or accepted
protocols and should be considered as 'dated' . 
In order to keep a tan going long-term, many companies recommend that
you reapply their sunless and self-tanning products every three
days. 
These findings led researchers to conclude that glutathione
S-transferase may be a novel target for mood stabilizing drugs. 
Am J Clin Nutr 77:1448-1452. The more the shine, the more then
comedogenic content and the more your pores can clog. Suit up and apply
your tanning product. " Opt for "hypo-allergenic" perfumes and cosmetics
to avoid allergic reactions and skin irritation. 
"Many neurological and psychiatric disease processes are characterized
by. 
Following even a single dosage of intravenous glutathione - often in as
little as 15 minutes - the ability to walk, turn around and move their
arms is almost completely restored. In addition, they advise eating lots
of fresh fruits and vegetables, the best sources of antioxidant
protection. This is especially true when it comes to natural remedies.
It is a natural liver detoxifier and protects the liver from many
industrial toxins such as carbon tetrachloride, and more common agents
like alcohol. Give your joints a break as soon as possible from any
excess weight they're hauling around, even if it's the weight of excess
stress. Share any family history of arthritisTell about any OTC or
prescription medications or other treatments you currently take or use.
When you take in your questions, also take in a description of your
symptoms so that your doctor can help better understand your situation
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Hi David,

On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 13:54 -0800, David Shifflett wrote:
> Hi,
> I am looking for a development and run-time environment
> for an experimental kernel.
> 
> I want to run large memory model
> (multiple code and data segments).
I do not know the large memory model, but if it is the one in which
pointers are touples composed by selector and offset, then oslib does
not support it (oslib uses gcc, in which pointers do not contain a
selector).

> Can OSLib support a segmented architecture?
Yes, it supports segmented architectures: for example, you can setup
tasks to have private segments. Or you can "manually" switch the values
in the selector registers... But you cannot automatically associate
selector values to the pointers.

> Can it support large memory model code?
> What file formats (ELF, COFF, LE/LX) does it support?
Supported formats are ELF, COFF, and probably PE (I had it working one
time, but I do not remember if I had to patch oslib or not).

> What compiler/linker might work? (I am looking at Open WATCOM)
It unfortunatelly only works with gcc/GNU binutils (when I started
working on oslib, gcc was the only usable free compiler - watcom C was
still a commercial product)

				Luca

Hi,
I am looking for a development and run-time environment
for an experimental kernel.

I want to run large memory model
(multiple code and data segments).

Can OSLib support a segmented architecture?
Can it support large memory model code?
What file formats (ELF, COFF, LE/LX) does it support?
What compiler/linker might work? (I am looking at Open WATCOM)

Thanks in advance,
dave

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Hi Ben,

> Hi, i'm trying to compile oslib on linux, unfortunatly i'm getting the 
> following error
> 
> ../ll/i386/mem.h: In function 'memscan':
> ../ll/i386/mem.h:308: error: parse error before "repnz"
> ../ll/i386/mem.h:309: error: 'scasb' undeclared(first use of function)
> ../ll/i386/mem.h:309: error: (Each undeclated identifier is reported only 
> once
> ../ll/i386/mem.h:309: error: for each function it appears in.)
> ../ll/i386/mem.h:309:21: invalid suffix "f" on integet constant
> ../ll/i386/mem.h:311:17: missing terminating " character
I assume you are using the "January 31st" snapshot? Try the cvs head
(see http://oslib.sourceforge.net/cvs.html), it has fixes for the asm()
stuff.

> i'm using gcc version 3.3.2.
Here, I have gcc 3.2:
[luca@passo oslib]$ gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-mandrake-linux-gnu/3.2/specs
Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib
--with-slibdir=/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info
--enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking
--enable-long-long --enable-__cxa_atexit
--enable-languages=c,c++,ada,f77,objc,java
--host=i586-mandrake-linux-gnu --with-system-zlib
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)

The snapshot gives warnings, but no fatal errors... Maybe in gcc 3.3
such 3.2 warning became an error.

I never tried to compile with gcc 3.3... The cvs head should compile
fine, but I am not sure. Let me know.

				Luca
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>>>the X_CallBIOS feature... that for example we use heavily inside the shark
>>>kernel (http://shark.sssup.it) to get support  for the VESA graphic cards
>>>using BIOS calls...
>>
>>Why isn't the VESA 2 or 3 32bit interface used for shark? Or X? COmplicated?
> 
> In theory, shark could use the vm86_callBIOS() function, that does not
> rely on X. However, it seems that there are big problems: some video
> bioses are broken and do not work well in vm86 mode.
> 
> Regarding the 32bit interface, I tried it some time ago. On some video
> cards it worked well, but I found a video card in which the video BIOS
> was using a DPMI call for invoking a RM interrupt!!! In other words, the
> 32bit interface is not always usable.
> 
> In any case, Paolo, I recently fixed some bugs in the vm86 code... I
> think you should try to use vm86_callBIOS() and see if there are still
> problems. Have a look at the biosdemo example (in particular, look at
> the "emulate()" function) to see how to reflect RM interrups in vm86
> mode.

Ok... I just added bug 174 in the shark bugzilla... soon or later I'll 
do that...

bye

PJ

Hi Peter,

[...]
> Now my reccomendations for OSLib modularization would go into a rather
> different direction:
> - Move all from ll, libcons and libm to one of the three lib levels.
I think this will make things more complex... Someone may want to use ll
without libm or libcons, for example. I know for sure that there are
projects using ll but using a different libcons.

> - Put all xlib functionality in x0.o.
x0.o contains the startup code, whereas xlib contains library code. They
quite different things.

> - Either a) give a i386 subdir to all libs or b) use no i386 subdir at all.
> (a) would mean a widely used mechanism, good for portability.
> (b) would mean: "OSLib can never be ported because the booting mechanisms
> are too different on other architectures. So let's write pure i386 code!"
> Both soultions seem good to me, but not an inconsitent i386 port as it seems
> now to me.
I agree with this idea in principle, but I do not have time for
restructuring the directory structure right now... I leave this as an
"open task" for the future. Maybe someone can contribute some ppc code,
and we will have to rearrange everything for incorporating it ;-) Just
dreaming...

				Luca

Here is my late reply to the mail from Peter:

> > what's the advantage in making the extender an independent project?
> - Emphasizing the Compliance to the MB spec and the MB "spirit".
>   Making it easier to reenter DOS with a NASM kernel that doesn't use OSLib.
Well, I think this is already done: people can go to the sf project page
and download the extender independently from oslib. I agree that the
extender is kind of "hidden" in the oslib web page, and I'll try to
restructure the site to fix this problem.

>   Making OSLib source code clearer, leaner, more adaptive to future
> bootloaders.
I have to double-check the code, but I think that there is not much
eXtender-dependent code in oslib... Only the few lines needed to take
advantage of the eXtender if it is used. I'll do some code review in the
next days, and I'll see if there are dependencies that can be
simplified/removed.

> - Having different developers, philosophies, websites, docu, docu writers.
> - Lower entry level for developers to join in.
Currently, I don't have the time to maintain 2 different projects and
web sites. Of course, if someone wants to step in and say "I want to
maintain the eXtender!" he can feel free to create a new sf project (it
is GPLed software, after all).

> - Advantage for projects that use only X or only OSLib!
>   Kernel developers without DOS fandom care nothing about X!
>   And all the many MB compliant OSs might be keen to tell the
>   users/co-developers: "Hey folks, there are 2 ways to boot our kernel:
>   Grub from disk and X from DOS [X is at x.sf.net!]" but are interested
>   no way in OSLib (especially the OS end users).
I think there currently is no problem about this. As said, people can
already download only oslib or only the eXtender. I know for sure of
someone using the eXtender for booting rtems programs. If someone does
not case about the eXtender, he just does not download it, and lives
happyly with GRUB (or another bootloader). I can agree with you that
there is some "advertisement" problem, but I think that it can be solved
without having to create a new project (I think this is what the concept
of package is for).

> - Some people may want to hack around with the X code because of its
>   switch to pmode and back and because of its file loading and progam
> linking.
Very easy: they can just do
cvs -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/oslib co eXtender
and they can start hacking ;-)

> > For example, the eXtender can load oslib programs from DOS allowing
> > such programs to return to DOS when they finish (very useful for
> > debugging).
> Aren't there a way to do this with grub?
I don't think it is possible without any hack... When grub loads a
program, DOS is not there, hence there is no place to return to...

> Maybe by providing an command line arg with the return address!?
That is not the problem. The real problem is that oslib can return to
DOS if DOS is there, hence we need some way to know who booted the
program (if it was GRUB, DOS is not there).

> Seems
> simple, and it's similar to what You already do with the DOS mem area.
Dos mem area are an extension to MultiBoot implemented only by the
eXtender. You can use them only if you know that the eXtender was used
to boot the program.

> Maybe by DPMI or VCPI? (Big monsters but universal standard)
DPMI and VCPI are largely unrelated to this problem, I think. They are
standard interface that permit to use PM (or memory above 1MB) from DOS
programs. oslib is not about DOS programs...

> > I think this can be also done by using the memory maps supported by the
> > multiboot standard (and creating a fake memory map that marks dos memory
> > as ROM), but I still have to have a better look at this solution.
> Memory map might be cool for other reasons for a kernel, but I think what
> You call an extension to MB is quite conforming to the MB spec.
No, they are just extensions created by Gerardo and me. A strictly MB
conformant program cannot use them.

> It would only be desirable, that the DOS mem passing can be turn offed by a
> switch on the DOS command line.
> Maybe it would be good to provide a mmcpy function (probably already is), an
> evacuate function (using mmcpy) and a default evacuation that leaves all
> potential BIOS mem intact anyway? Like Linux and most other kernels and
> bootloaders do at startup (and later)! They simply think of lower part of
> "page" 0 and everything from "page" 0xA to 0xF as "taboo".
There are other problems. For example, if you loaded smartdrv (or
similar beasts) some of the memory above 1MB can be "taboo" too. If a
program is loaded from DOS, and if we want to return to DOS, we need to
know which part of the memory is used by DOS (it may depend by the TSRs
that are currently running, and by many other factors).

> > > For example, this means: example/mbdemo.c should show the loader name,
> > This is correct, thanks for pointing it out... I'll fix mbdemo.c in the
> > next days.
> Wait, wait. It already shows the name I think. INstead my idea was to remove
> the X variable.
> [If You have too much free time You can fix something diefferent ;) mbdemo.c
> doesn't check for "X"! It checks for any loader name starting with an
> uppercase X!
Ok, this is very easy to fix: we can just check for 'X' 0, and that's
all. Anyway, mbdemo is just an example...
As said, in the next days I'll review the code and try to fix all these
problems.

> > >>And OSLIb should ignore, by which loader it was booted.
> > Yes and no... I would say the converse... X should be able to boot 
> > multiboot images that are not written knowing that they will be booted 
> > by the extender...
This is already possible. I know for sure that x.exe can boot rtems
programs, and someone is actually using it. Once upon a time, I was also
able to boot l4 halzemut (www.l4ka.org) by using x.exe.

> OSLib should be bootable by Grub, too!
In fact, it is. Just try to compile the examples, and use something like
kernel (fd0)/<example name>.xtn
at the GRUB command line.

> So ignoring is not the only way,
> fallback would be another one. But OSLib heavily relying on X would make it
> closed, a niche-software.
I still fail to understand why you think that oslib heavily relies on X.
It relies on X only for using features that only X provides (as said, if
GRUB does not load the DOS, it is not possible to return to DOS!).

> > the X_CallBIOS feature... that for example we use heavily inside the shark
> > kernel (http://shark.sssup.it) to get support  for the VESA graphic cards
> > using BIOS calls...
> Why isn't the VESA 2 or 3 32bit interface used for shark? Or X? COmplicated?
In theory, shark could use the vm86_callBIOS() function, that does not
rely on X. However, it seems that there are big problems: some video
bioses are broken and do not work well in vm86 mode.

Regarding the 32bit interface, I tried it some time ago. On some video
cards it worked well, but I found a video card in which the video BIOS
was using a DPMI call for invoking a RM interrupt!!! In other words, the
32bit interface is not always usable.

In any case, Paolo, I recently fixed some bugs in the vm86 code... I
think you should try to use vm86_callBIOS() and see if there are still
problems. Have a look at the biosdemo example (in particular, look at
the "emulate()" function) to see how to reflect RM interrups in vm86
mode.

				Luca

Hi Peter,

> Chapter 2.1, page 7, very last point of this chapter:
> Must be aspace.h instead of event.h
Thanks for reporting this; I just fixed it in cvs. 

> Chapter 2.2, page 10:
> The lis of register functions seems short and unbalanced, but no comment
> that these functions apply to all registers. So:
> No get_ES(), get_GS()?
> No setES/FS/GS()?
> No get_LDTR()?
Well, they are not documented because they have not been implemented yet
;-). If someone can provide patches, I'll apply them and document the
functions; otherwise, people will have to wait for me (I'll put such
funtions on the todo list, and I'll implement them when I'll have some
more spare time).

> Figure 2.2, page 12 seems to be out of place? There's talk about threads on
> page
> 11 and 13, and in the middle of the sentence page 12 with the multiboot
> struct breaks in.
I think this is a latex thing: latex puts the figure where it thinks
that the figure fits better. When I compile the cvs version on my
laptop, the figure appears at page 13, and it is cited at the beginning
of page 14, hence I think it is ok. I looked at the latex source and it
seems to be correct. BTW, are you using the cvs version, or the .zip
downloaded from sf? In the latter case, it is possible that the problem
that you are seeing is already fixed in cvs.

			Thanks,
				Luca

Somewhere on the net is a document "Why Replyto-munging is harmful". From
that document I conclude that my way of thinking ("I reply to the list") is
definitely wrong! Because ReplyToAll is an official "protocol". (Probably SF
will enforce that policy and hence change list settings unasked.)
--------------------

When I had all this hassle, wondering if my mail went through anyway (I use
old Netscape 4 Messenger on Linux), I rethought about it. Now I think I'm
going to write a completely new, DPMI based loader. Then I can see if
there's a more powerful solution for the between-modes interface. If it
works as I imagine, it will be both simple and powerful.

Now my reccomendations for OSLib modularization would go into a rather
different direction:
- Move all from ll, libcons and libm to one of the three lib levels.
- Put all xlib functionality in x0.o.
- Either a) give a i386 subdir to all libs or b) use no i386 subdir at all.
(a) would mean a widely used mechanism, good for portability.
(b) would mean: "OSLib can never be ported because the booting mechanisms
are too different on other architectures. So let's write pure i386 code!"
Both soultions seem good to me, but not an inconsitent i386 port as it seems
now to me.

Probably these suggestions sound again much better in my ears than in yours,
knowing the OSLib code better than me.

---------------------------
Having already brought in the design and aim question above, I think the
open question from kl/oq.txt is somehow related to that issue.

The application writers have other methods at hand for doing low level
stuff; and OS designers try to put a control layer between the application
code and the hardware.

On the other hand, besides from OSLib the kernel writer has nearly no free
kernel library that takes the assembler burden off him.

Conclusion: I personally think, that OSLib should be optimized for kernel
developers, not for application developers. 

Kind regards
Peter Wiehe

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the comments. I'll apply them as soon as possible.

			Thanks,
				Luca

Hi all,

I'm just forwarding to the list a message from Peter. Right now, I am a
little bit short in time; I'll answer this e-mail later.

				Luca
-----Forwarded Message-----

> From: Peter Wiehe <pet...@ly...>
> To: Luca Abeni <luc...@em...>
> Subject: Re: [Oslib-devel] Outsourcing the extender?
> Date: 31 Dec 2003 00:36:09 +0100
> 
> > what's the advantage in making the extender an independent project?
> - Emphasizing the Compliance to the MB spec and the MB "spirit".
>   Making it easier to reenter DOS with a NASM kernel that doesn't use OSLib.
>   Making OSLib source code clearer, leaner, more adaptive to future
> bootloaders.
> - Having different developers, philosophies, websites, docu, docu writers.
> - Lower entry level for developers to join in.
> - Advantage for projects that use only X or only OSLib!
>   Kernel developers without DOS fandom care nothing about X!
>   And all the many MB compliant OSs might be keen to tell the
>   users/co-developers: "Hey folks, there are 2 ways to boot our kernel:
>   Grub from disk and X from DOS [X is at x.sf.net!]" but are interested
>   no way in OSLib (especially the OS end users).
> - Some people may want to hack around with the X code because of its
>   switch to pmode and back and because of its file loading and progam
> linking.
> 
> > For example, the eXtender can load oslib programs from DOS allowing
> > such programs to return to DOS when they finish (very useful for
> > debugging).
> Aren't there a way to do this with grub? I'm asking because I think it would
> fit more to the general idea that was behind the MB spec.
> Maybe by providing an command line arg with the return address!? Seems
> simple, and it's similar to what You already do with the DOS mem area.
> Maybe by DPMI or VCPI? (Big monsters but universal standard)
> 
> > I think this can be also done by using the memory maps supported by the
> > multiboot standard (and creating a fake memory map that marks dos memory
> > as ROM), but I still have to have a better look at this solution.
> Memory map might be cool for other reasons for a kernel, but I think what
> You call an extension to MB is quite conforming to the MB spec. And so I
> think it's quite elegant.
> It would only be desirable, that the DOS mem passing can be turn offed by a
> switch on the DOS command line.
> Maybe it would be good to provide a mmcpy function (probably already is), an
> evacuate function (using mmcpy) and a default evacuation that leaves all
> potential BIOS mem intact anyway? Like Linux and most other kernels and
> bootloaders do at startup (and later)! They simply think of lower part of
> "page" 0 and everything from "page" 0xA to 0xF as "taboo".
> 
> > > For example, this means: example/mbdemo.c should show the loader name,
> > This is correct, thanks for pointing it out... I'll fix mbdemo.c in the
> > next days.
> Wait, wait. It already shows the name I think. INstead my idea was to remove
> the X variable.
> [If You have too much free time You can fix something diefferent ;) mbdemo.c
> doesn't check for "X"! It checks for any loader name starting with an
> uppercase X! Imagine Santa Claus writing "Xmasboot" and wondering why his
> kernel "chimney" (using OSLib) crashes ;) Most elegant solution would be
> adding some string.h routines (especially strcmp), but I didn't want to
> bugger You with that.]
> 
> -------------
> > >>And OSLIb should ignore, by which loader it was booted.
> > Yes and no... I would say the converse... X should be able to boot 
> > multiboot images that are not written knowing that they will be booted 
> > by the extender...
> OSLib should be bootable by Grub, too! So ignoring is not the only way,
> fallback would be another one. But OSLib heavily relying on X would make it
> closed, a niche-software.
> 
> > the X_CallBIOS feature... that for example we use heavily inside the shark
> > kernel (http://shark.sssup.it) to get support  for the VESA graphic cards
> > using BIOS calls...
> Why isn't the VESA 2 or 3 32bit interface used for shark? Or X? COmplicated?
> 
> Kind regards
> Peter Eiehe

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