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[Openzaurus-users] Is there anybody out there...

[Teschi <tes...@gm...>]

Hi,

I have a SL-C860. I haven't used it for years but it still works!

Anyone else still have a Zaurus?

*----** Teschi*
www.teschi.me.uk

Re: [Openzaurus-users] Openzaurus user archive

[Jan P. <jan...@gm...>]

Hello !

I have a working installation of Openzaurus for Sharp Collie 5500, and
i would like to assemble a mirror of Openzaurus packages.
If someone still has access to the original archive, and would like to
share its access, I would really appreciate it.
My server is on a fast bandwidth and I would make the archive
available also for other persons, which would still like to download
the packages from it.

Kind regards,
Jan

[Openzaurus-users] opie / openzaurus at nintendos DS?

[Michael R. <mic...@gm...>]

Moin,

I love to use my Zaurus 5500 with opie and openzaurus. My girl friend loves 
her DS (with installed linux). Well, we are looking for a common calendar 
that we can sync with the Desktop.
So I thought it would be a good thing if opie/openzaurus is available for the 
DS. Are there any plans?

Thanks
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Re: [Openzaurus-users] [Opie] Angstrom Opie 1.2.3 testing

[Raphael B. <rb...@gm...>]

On Jan 13, 2008 3:52 AM, Paul Eggleton <blu...@bl...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to announce that some testing images of the Angstrom Linux
> distribution (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org) containing the Opie user
> environment version 1.2.3 are now available. For most devices, this is
> the first time Opie 1.2.3 has been available in a distribution in any form,
> and once testing and debugging has finished we hope that this will give
> access to Opie to more users.
>
> If you have one of the following listed devices, we would love to hear
> feedback on how well it works for you:
>
>  * iPAQ h2200 series
>  * iPAQ h3900 series
>  * iPAQ h4000 series
>  * iPAQ h5000 series
>  * iPAQ hx4700
>  * Zaurus SL-5500

Hey,

I wanted to install it on my SL-5500, and I managed to install
angstrom on it, following instructions at
http://www.purple.dropbear.id.au/angstrom_pre_release_on_collie_sl-5500_with_sd_card

I used 	zImage-2.6.20-collie-20080130231517.bin and
	console-image-collie.jffs2 as initrd.bin.

It runs fine, but in console. How can I install opie on it? I didn't
find an opie rootfs to use as a new SD RootFS.

Thanks for your help

raph


Raph.


>  * Zaurus SL-5600
>  * Zaurus SL-C1000
>  * Zaurus SL-C3000
>  * Zaurus SL-C7x0
>  * Zaurus SL-6000
>  * Motorola A780
>  * HTC Universal
>  * Siemens Simpad (see note [1])
>
> The central point for information is the following wiki page:
>
>   http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromOpieTesting
>
> From there you can find information on how to download and run an image on
> your device as well as some known issues.
>
> For devices above with PocketPC installed, there is an easy method of booting
> into Angstrom that allows you to boot from a card without completely
> replacing PocketPC - details on the page linked above.
>
> Opie is now on the path to becoming a supported choice of environment within
> Angstrom, and we expect the testing period to last for at least a month,
> during which time we will be collecting information and fixing serious bugs
> where they are found.
>
> We welcome all feedback, so if you can, please try one of the images and send
> your reports to ang...@li.... Note that this message is
> cross-posted so please be careful if you reply.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>
> [1] There is an image available for the Siemens Simpad, but there is a bug
> preventing Opie from starting on this device - some help debugging this
> problem would be welcome (see
> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3681 for details).
> _______________________________________________
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> Opie mailing list
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>



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[Openzaurus-users] Angstrom onZzaurus SL-5500

[Frank D. <bit...@gm...>]

Hi,

I tried to install Angstrom on a Zaurus 5500 following the HOWTO
found here [1]. The files I dowloaded from [2].

After flashing the Zaurus I boot the device, I can see the
Angstrom splash screen but the boot process stop when the process bar
achieve 50 percent.

How can I install the Angstrom distribution? I used before OpenZaurus
3.5.3.

regards
Frank

[1] 
http://www.purple.dropbear.id.au/angstrom_pre_release_on_collie_sl-5500_with_sd_card
[2] http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/collie
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Re: [Openzaurus-users] strange USB Problem

[Michael R. <mic...@gm...>]

On Thursday 10 January 2008 22:14, Michael Renner wrote:
> Moin,

Moin,

just for the archive: I  bought me a 2nd USB card (PCI) and now the zaurus 
works via USB:

kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:02:07.0: wakeup
kernel: usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 14
kernel: usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
kernel: usbcore: registered new driver cdc_ether
kernel: usb0: register 'zaurus' at usb-0000:02:07.0-2, Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00, 
62:ad:0a:05:5e:69
kernel: usbcore: registered new driver zaurus

But there is an other problem: USB connection only works as long as the 5 V 
power supply is not (!) connected to the craddle! If it is connected the 
connection fails:

kernel: ohci_hcd 0000:02:07.0: wakeup
kernel: hub 6-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 2.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?

Any hint?
Thanks!
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[Openzaurus-users] strange USB Problem

[Michael R. <mic...@gm...>]

Moin,

I want to connect my Zaurus via USB to a server (well, I call it 'server'. 
It's just a Linux box running 24/7). But by plugging the USB connector into
the socket I get:

kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
kernel: usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
kernel: usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
kernel: usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
kernel: usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
kernel: usb 2-1: device not accepting address 4, error -71
kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
kernel: usb 2-1: device not accepting address 5, error -71


This is strange, because USB is working fine at this 2.6.18 machine. I tried 
this with two other computers. A old DELL notebook (kernel 2.6.13) with USB 
1.1, and here I get a good connection so I can use the USB cable for IP 
trafifc. 

kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: wakeup_rh (auto-start)
kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: state 5 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0002
kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: port 1 portsc 0093,00
kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: port 1, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s
kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: port 1 portsc 0092,00
kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: port 1 portsc 0093,00
kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: debounce: port 1: total 125ms stable 100ms status 0x101
kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
kernel: usb 1-1: ep0 maxpacket = 8
kernel: usb 1-1: skipped 3 descriptors after interface
kernel: usb 1-1: default language 0x0409
kernel: usb 1-1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
kernel: usb 1-1: Product: SL-5500
kernel: usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Sharp
kernel: usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 400002000001
kernel: usb 1-1: hotplug
kernel: usb 1-1: adding 1-1:1.0 (config #1, interface 0)
kernel: usb 1-1:1.0: hotplug
kernel: usb 1-1: adding 1-1:1.1 (config #1, interface 1)
kernel: usb 1-1:1.1: hotplug
kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: state 5 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0002
kernel: usbnet 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface
kernel: usbnet 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id
kernel: usb0: register usbnet at usb-0000:00:1f.2-1, Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00, 
26:48:c5:63:64:31
kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usbnet
kernel: usb0: rxqlen 0 --> 4
kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team
kernel: ip_conntrack version 2.1 (4095 buckets, 32760 max) - 212 bytes per 
conntrack
kernel: usb0: no IPv6 routers present


Also with a noname PC  (kernel 2.6.13): no connection problem:

kernel: [ 6784.476533] usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and 
address 3
kernel: [ 6784.674991] usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
kernel: [ 6784.875353] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether
kernel: [ 6784.896601] usb0: register 'zaurus' at usb-0000:00:1d.2-1, Sharp 
Zaurus SL-5x00, 8a:90:eb:db:ff:a3
kernel: [ 6784.897087] usbcore: registered new interface driver zaurus


Well, unfortunately I have to connect the zaurus to the machine that cause 
trouble. I would buy a 2nd. USB card, but will this work without problems? 
Can it be a software problem? Something with the kernel or the module?

Thanks for hints!

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[Openzaurus-users] response to Nacho

[Oliver W. <bl...@ho...>]

Aw man, that sucks.  ipkg has always been flaky for me no matter what, and =
only works some of the time in general.  I have a SL-6000 and am always run=
ning into problems w/ the wireless and constantly have to re-flash.  Sorry =
I couldn't be of help.

-01!^3R

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> Recently, after successfully configuring my wireless card in openzaurus,
> I did an ipkg update; ipkg-upgrade. When everything was upgraded, and
> after rebooting, I noticed that the openzaurus had downloaded new kernel
> modules (2.6.23, while the previous onw was the 2.6.22), so nothing
> really worked now. After some researching, I found that I had to reflash
> the zaurus with the new kernel, which I did, only to find that the
> graphical user interface and the wireless card are no longer working. Am
> I supposed to not do an ipkg upgrade? The new kernel is ok and the
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[Openzaurus-users] problems with ipkg upgrade on spitz in a SL-C3100.

[Nacho <ar...@gm...>]

Hi,

Recently, after successfully configuring my wireless card in openzaurus,
I did an ipkg update; ipkg-upgrade. When everything was upgraded, and
after rebooting, I noticed that the openzaurus had downloaded new kernel
modules (2.6.23, while the previous onw was the 2.6.22), so nothing
really worked now. After some researching, I found that I had to reflash
the zaurus with the new kernel, which I did, only to find that the
graphical user interface and the wireless card are no longer working. Am
I supposed to not do an ipkg upgrade? The new kernel is ok and the
modules load, but now the graphical mode does not start and the wireless
card gives lots of errors.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Best.

Nacho.

Re: [Openzaurus-users] Updater -- SD Card not Found!!!

[Cam E. <ca...@el...>]

Nacho wrote:
> Hi Tim, thanks for answering,
> 
> I finally managed to solve it. As we supposed, it was a problem with the
> partitioning of the SD card. I imagined it when I thought that the SD
> card had two partitions (one for the software and drivers) by default,
> and that I had formatted it with just one partition.
> 
> The issue is that the updater.sh looks for the files in the /dev/sdb2
> partition by default, or whatever it is called in the zaurus (/dev/sdb2
> in my Linux PC). 
> 
> Thanks anyway, now I have my openzaurus back!

Speaking from experience, you need to be careful with SD cards.  They're 
OK if there is not a lot of I/O, but they degrade with use.  I had a lot 
of trouble until I got a larger CF card and put everything on that.

YMMV - that's just my experience.

Cam


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Re: [Openzaurus-users] Updater -- SD Card not Found!!!

[Nacho <ar...@gm...>]

Hi Tim, thanks for answering,

I finally managed to solve it. As we supposed, it was a problem with the
partitioning of the SD card. I imagined it when I thought that the SD
card had two partitions (one for the software and drivers) by default,
and that I had formatted it with just one partition.

The issue is that the updater.sh looks for the files in the /dev/sdb2
partition by default, or whatever it is called in the zaurus (/dev/sdb2
in my Linux PC). 

Thanks anyway, now I have my openzaurus back!


El jue, 15-11-2007 a las 10:38 +0000, Tim Chick escribió:
> On Wednesday 14 November 2007 19:33, Nacho wrote:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I'm new to the list, so please excuse me if this question has been
> > asked (and solved) before :).
> >
> > Recently I decided to jump to OpenZaurus. I have a SL-C3100. I
> > installed angstrom following the instructions from
> > http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Spitz/Install and using the toolkit
> > Angstrom-x11-pimlico-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071017-spitz-insta
> >llkit.tgz. Everything worked well. Nevertheless, after making a ipkg
> > update and ipkg upgrade I ran out of free space disk (I haven't
> > installed dosfstools so I only had hda1 and hda2 partitions), so I
> > decided to start the instalation again giving more space to this two
> > partitions. However, I don't know what happened. I fdisked again and
> > when I put the SD card (512M) containing the Angstrom files and
> > select 4 -> SD -> Y, I get an error message something like:
> >
> > --- ... Updater ... ---
> > SD Card Not Found!!!
> >
> > And the system reboots. I don't know how to recover a running
> > Angstrom in my Zaurus, and I am a bit worried I won't be able to set
> > it up again, can somebody please help?
> >
> Have you got a CF card? Put the files on there and try again if you 
> have.
> 
> I have seen this problem here - where the Sharp updater kernel can not 
> see some SD cards. I think there are two problems:
> 
> 1 - cards bigger than 1GB (but this isn't effecting you).
> 
> 2 - something to do with the partition table/formating of the card.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
> 
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Re: [Openzaurus-users] Updater -- SD Card not Found!!!

[Tim C. <ch...@co...>]

On Wednesday 14 November 2007 19:33, Nacho wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> I'm new to the list, so please excuse me if this question has been
> asked (and solved) before :).
>
> Recently I decided to jump to OpenZaurus. I have a SL-C3100. I
> installed angstrom following the instructions from
> http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Spitz/Install and using the toolkit
> Angstrom-x11-pimlico-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071017-spitz-insta
>llkit.tgz. Everything worked well. Nevertheless, after making a ipkg
> update and ipkg upgrade I ran out of free space disk (I haven't
> installed dosfstools so I only had hda1 and hda2 partitions), so I
> decided to start the instalation again giving more space to this two
> partitions. However, I don't know what happened. I fdisked again and
> when I put the SD card (512M) containing the Angstrom files and
> select 4 -> SD -> Y, I get an error message something like:
>
> --- ... Updater ... ---
> SD Card Not Found!!!
>
> And the system reboots. I don't know how to recover a running
> Angstrom in my Zaurus, and I am a bit worried I won't be able to set
> it up again, can somebody please help?
>
Have you got a CF card? Put the files on there and try again if you 
have.

I have seen this problem here - where the Sharp updater kernel can not 
see some SD cards. I think there are two problems:

1 - cards bigger than 1GB (but this isn't effecting you).

2 - something to do with the partition table/formating of the card.

Thanks,
Tim

[Openzaurus-users] Updater -- SD Card not Found!!!

[Nacho <ar...@gm...>]

Hi all:

I'm new to the list, so please excuse me if this question has been asked
(and solved) before :).

Recently I decided to jump to OpenZaurus. I have a SL-C3100. I installed
angstrom following the instructions from
http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Spitz/Install and using the toolkit
Angstrom-x11-pimlico-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071017-spitz-installkit.tgz. Everything worked well. Nevertheless, after making a ipkg update and ipkg upgrade I ran out of free space disk (I haven't installed dosfstools so I only had hda1 and hda2 partitions), so I decided to start the instalation again giving more space to this two partitions. However, I don't know what happened. I fdisked again and when I put the SD card (512M) containing the Angstrom files and select 4 -> SD -> Y, I get an error message something like:

--- ... Updater ... ---
SD Card Not Found!!!

And the system reboots. I don't know how to recover a running Angstrom
in my Zaurus, and I am a bit worried I won't be able to set it up again,
can somebody please help?

Thanks a lot in advance.

[Openzaurus-users] qtopiadesktop: Invalid TimeZone

[Michael R. <mic...@gm...>]

Moin,

since last week qtopiadesktop won't start:

qtopiadir (based on executable location and platform)=20
is /opt/QtopiaDesktop/qtopiadesktop
createMainWindow()
debugMode =3D 0
syncOnly =3D 0
trayMode =3D 0
showSplash =3D 1
forkProcess =3D 1
Creating QSingleton instance...
No timezone from TZ
=46rom localtime(now)->tm_zone: CEST
from the settings: (null)
checkLanguage: C
falling back to en
from the system: en_US
without an underscore: en
Unable to open /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab
Timezone data must be installed at /usr/share/zoneinfo/
Unable to open '/usr/share/zoneinfo/CEST'
TimeZone::data Can't create a valid data object for 'CEST'
Converted to: Europe/Rome
No timezone from /etc/localtime
=46alling back to UTC
=46rom the system: UTC
=46rom the settings: (null)
=46rom Qtopia: UTC
Unable to open '/usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC'
TimeZone::data Can't create a valid data object for 'UTC'
Requested timezone (UTC) is not valid. Falling back to UTC
The TimeZone is UTC
initEnvironment() Invalid TimeZone Europe/Rome
initEnvironment() Invalid TimeZone Europe/Rome


What is this ' /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab' thing? The computer is a debia=
n=20
system, and nothing changed so far.

Thanks!
=2D-=20
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[Openzaurus-users] ... listen to itunes-podcasts with your Zaurus

[Patrik G. <gfe...@gm...>]

Maybe this is useful to other OZ users as well;
with the script(s)/xslt available from=20
http://www.codeomega.info/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D23
you can listen to itunes-podcast with your zaurus (via shell).

You'll need xsltproc & mplayer installed (you may replace mplayer with anot=
her=20
player in the xslt).

with kind regards,
Patrik

Re: [Openzaurus-users] =?utf-8?q?Few_things_to_do_with_moving_OpenZau?= =?utf-8?q?rus_stuff_to_=C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m?=

[Arieh S. <skl...@gm...>]

Hi,

You are right, I updated the http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki page.

-- 
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Re: [Openzaurus-users] =?iso-8859-1?q?Few_things_to_do_with_moving_Op?= =?iso-8859-1?q?enZaurus_stuff_to_=C5ngstr=F6m?=

[Hugo G. <hga...@gm...>]

Hello Marcin,

On 4/28/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz <ope...@hr...> wrote:
> OK, we decided to move from OpenZaurus to =C5ngstr=F6m. But we have few t=
hings
> to do:

I briefly browsed the =C5ngstr=F6m website and I didn't find a mention for
Zaurus SL-5500, is this device being supported in that distribution?

I also checked the FAQ: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromFaq


Thanks,
--=20
Hugo

[Openzaurus-users] Ambicom BT2000E

[<ja...@no...>]

Hello Folks,

I am running OZ GPE 3.5.4.1 and I am generally very happy with it. However
I just bought an AmbiCom BT2000E bluetooth CF card with the aim of getting
it to work with my phone. I'm not a Linux newbie but I'm afraid I'm not
sure where to start and I has hoping that somebody could give me a few
pointers getting started. cardctl ident reports the card correctly. I
believe I have installed the correct bluez packages (blues-utils-dbus*)
and I have restarted the bluetooth service after inserting the card.
However, when I run hcitool dev there don't appear to be any devices.

So anyway, if somebody could point me in the right direction I would
greatly appreciate it.

James

[Openzaurus-users] =?utf-8?q?Few_things_to_do_with_moving_OpenZau?= =?utf-8?q?rus_stuff_to_=C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m?=

[Marcin J. <ope...@hr...>]

OK, we decided to move from OpenZaurus to =C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m. But we have f=
ew things=20
to do:

1. Checking OpenZaurus bugs does they appear in =C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m and corr=
ect them=20
in bugtracker.

It is in progress - Rolf 'laibsch' Leggewie maintain that part.

2. Moving content of OpenZaurus Wiki into =C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m wiki.

This is not yet started. Scott Bronson and Simon 'lardman' Pickering are=20
OZ documentation maintainers and want to make that move. =C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m=
 website=20
is nearly empty now so we probably will need help to get it filled with=20
informations, news etc. Now it use Drupal and we probably prefer to stay=20
with it as LinuxToGo want to limit amount of MySQL databases to absolute=20
minimum.

Would be nice to get some people which will work on website. We will not=20
run any www forums and most of core devels does not like OESF forums.

3. Moving developers from OpenZaurus to =C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m.

It maybe sounds bad (developers like "items") but I want people to start=20
checking images, subscribe to =C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m mailing lists.

=46ew more things will come soon. If you have anything to add - please=20
write. I am posting to those 3 mailing list because many people does not=20
yet subscribed =C3=85ngstr=C3=B6m ones.

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Re: [Openzaurus-users] =?iso-8859-2?q?FYI=3A_OZ_bugs_after=09angstrom?= =?iso-8859-2?q?_transition?=

[Marcin J. <ope...@hr...>]

Dnia pi=B1tek, 27 kwietnia 2007, Michael Rozdoba napisa=B3:
> FWIW I would give the directions Koen gave, but without the quite clear
> expression of anger & frustration as that component achieves nothing,
> again IMO.

=46eel free to send us better version ;)

=2D-=20
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 Learn the facts and make up your own damn mind. That's why you have one.

Re: [Openzaurus-users] FYI: OZ bugs after angstrom transition

[Michael R. <mr...@ca...>]

Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> Dnia piątek, 27 kwietnia 2007, Michael Rozdoba napisał:
>>> 5) A bug only exists if it's reported in the bugtracker
> 
>> ROTFL. 5 is my favourite.
> 
>>From my point of view (as distibution maintainer) I agree with Koen when 
> it comes to that point. Why?
> 
> I work on fixing bugs when I have time - which is usually short. So I go 
> into bugtracker, choose few bugs and work on fixing them. I do not have 
> time to follow threads on forums to see does someone triggered something 
> which need to be fixed.

You misunderstand me. As a description of desired workflow what you say 
makes sense...

> We spend our *free* time to provide distribution for users (nevermind does 
> they are normal users or developers). If they prefer to spend their time 
> on discussions without giving any sign of that bug to distro developers 
> then let them do not complain that this is not fixed.

...however the tone with which it was said is not IMO helpful. Nor is 
repeatedly saying it likely to make users behave in that way. I'm afraid 
developer frustration will not change that.

>> A small hint. Users /might/ stop complaining about unstable images when
>> there's an alternative that isn't unstable. Opinions regarding their
>> moral rectitude are irrelevant as far as their continued behaviour
>> goes; that's life.
> 
> To have something which we can mark as *stable* first it has to go through 
> testing. You want us to stop release images and work on fixing bugs in 
> private and few years later release something stable? It does not work 
> that way when developers do it in free time. 

Again, you misunderstand me. Of course your explanation for why there 
isn't more stable code currently available is correct. Once again 
however this fact will have little impact on much user feedback. As soon 
as you make a widespread release of desired code which is in this state 
you will get such feedback.

> Go buy Windows Mobile device if you want more or less tested release.

My comments are meant to make no assertions over how these projects are 
being developed or should be; they purely relate to some developers 
repeated expressions of frustration & possibly anger with user behaviour 
which is inevitable.

FWIW I would give the directions Koen gave, but without the quite clear 
expression of anger & frustration as that component achieves nothing, 
again IMO.

-- 
Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t

Re: [Openzaurus-users] [Openzaurus-devel] FYI: OZ bugs after angstrom transition

[Marcin J. <ope...@hr...>]

Dnia pi=B1tek, 27 kwietnia 2007, Michael Rozdoba napisa=B3:
> > 5) A bug only exists if it's reported in the bugtracker

> ROTFL. 5 is my favourite.

=46rom my point of view (as distibution maintainer) I agree with Koen when=
=20
it comes to that point. Why?

I work on fixing bugs when I have time - which is usually short. So I go=20
into bugtracker, choose few bugs and work on fixing them. I do not have=20
time to follow threads on forums to see does someone triggered something=20
which need to be fixed.

We spend our *free* time to provide distribution for users (nevermind does=
=20
they are normal users or developers). If they prefer to spend their time=20
on discussions without giving any sign of that bug to distro developers=20
then let them do not complain that this is not fixed.

> A small hint. Users /might/ stop complaining about unstable images when
> there's an alternative that isn't unstable. Opinions regarding their
> moral rectitude are irrelevant as far as their continued behaviour
> goes; that's life.

To have something which we can mark as *stable* first it has to go through=
=20
testing. You want us to stop release images and work on fixing bugs in=20
private and few years later release something stable? It does not work=20
that way when developers do it in free time.=20

Go buy Windows Mobile device if you want more or less tested release.

=2D-=20
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 sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC.

Re: [Openzaurus-users] [Openzaurus-devel] FYI: OZ bugs after angstrom transition

[Michael R. <mr...@ca...>]

Rolf Leggewie wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> today I sent the following comment to all bugs in the OE bug tracker 
> with version OpenZaurus*
> 
> == start comment ==
> OpenZaurus is being phased out and replaced by angstrom which supports 
> all Z models, except SL-A300 as usual.  Furthermore, angstrom extends 
> support to quite a few non-Zaurus devices.  See 
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org for more information.
> 
> Therefore we ask all reporters of openzaurus bugs to verify if their bug 
> is fixed in angstrom and if not replace the version field in the bug 
> tracker with angstrom.  Images are available at 
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/  Be sure to read 
> the installation instructions 
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/taxonomy/term/2 If there is 
> anything unclear, be sure to either ask here or in #angstrom in IRC

I've not tried Angstrom yet, so at least thought I'd take a look at the 
above linked info. One of the first things I encounter in a readme is:

> Since I'm getting tired of users complaining about the 'unstable' images not being release quality (Duh....) I decided to put this README in this dir as a Turing test.
> 
> The rules:
> 
> 1) You will search the wiki first and read the FAQ before asking questions.
> 2) You must read and follow the steps in the documentation precisely.
> 3) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers.
> 4) Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better.
> 5) A bug only exists if it's reported in the bugtracker
> 
> Follow these rules before starting to complain on the mailinglist(s).
> 
> 
> Koen - 20070330

ROTFL. 5 is my favourite.

A small hint. Users /might/ stop complaining about unstable images when 
there's an alternative that isn't unstable. Opinions regarding their 
moral rectitude are irrelevant as far as their continued behaviour goes; 
that's life.

If one still wishes to try to encourage certain more helpful behaviours:

1) first learn how to deal with people.
2) If one can't or won't, recognise ones own limits & delegate.
3) If there is no one else, just be quiet. That's probably preferable to 
failing to achieve ones aims & coming over as a little Hitler.

It's no wonder the author feels tired. He keeps trying to swim against 
the natural flow.

-- 
Michael - 20070427
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t

Re: [Openzaurus-users] wiki is down

[Scott B. <br...@ri...>]

It appears that Berlios is having NFS issues.  I'll move it to linuxtogo but
I won't have time for many days...  Use the read-only mirror on
http://ozwiki.u32.net until then.

Sorry!


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