Re: Re: [Openeeg-list] hi - lucid dream machine

[yaniv v. <yan...@ju...>]

Hi=20
i think that eeg can help in achieving this state .
but in order to do it with eeg you have to devise a step wise approach - =
e.g. something like mearusing the percent of dreaminess and =
wakefulleness , and raise it a bit every time .=20


the alpha-theta state is somewhat (or maybe is this state - it would be =
interesting to research this with lucid dreamers , or to ask nfb =
practicioners)  related here (e.g. the spontaneuos images that probably =
come from dream space , and being awake at same time  ) and i think that =
mastering it could help a lot to the lucid dreaming .=20



and from the second hand , according to buddhist tradition ,=20
the alpha-theta crossover is identified as a unique mental state , =
differnet from the dream .=20

so maybe there are 2 distinct states :
1. 7.83 peaking=20
2.  alpha frequencies over a wide range equal theta frequencies over a =
wide range , and rising .=20

maybe the second way is the one for lucid dreams .=20

but this are all just my theories . i think the best way is to ask in =
the a discussion group of nfb practioners .=20

good luck joerg,=20
yaniv=20

--------------- Original Message Follows ------------------
From: jo...@sd... (Joerg Hansmann)
Date: 4/16/2003 01:03 AM (Israel Standard Time)
To: ope...@li...
Subject: Re: [Openeeg-list] hi - lucid dream machine

Nelo wrote:
> Exactly like Jarek said.
> I had many lucid dreams - many of them I found more realistic than =
reality
> itself (even when I was flying), very fascinating.
> But there is no single way to learn it. Sometimes something work, =
sometimes
> does not or does not work for everyone.
> There are many many techniques to become lucid, stay lucid or deeper =
the
> state, some very interresting, but motivation is very important.
> I did not have a great success with machines like NovaDreamer - for =
example
> I had a dream where people in some ancient world wanted to burn some =
guy
> with reflected sunlight using big mirrors, but they could not focus it
> properly on the body but always shined into my eyes - this time I did =
not
> recognized these were just the flashes from the LEDs :)
>=20
> I know it is a bit off topic, but might be interresting for other guys
> around here as well.

Did you ever try to get into the lucid dream state directly from the =
waking=20
state? (Also called WILD, (wake induced lucid dream), according to =
LaBerge)

I wonder if EEG feedback could help to make this transition with fully =
intact=20
consciousnes.

If I try to induce a WILD with some of the standard methods, there are =
mostly=20
two outcomes:
1) I am so concentrated that I do not fall asleep,
2) I fall asleep unconsciously

Regards,

	Joerg




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