Re: [Openeeg-list] Trying to do some research on the effects of biofeedback

[Ray C. <ray...@ms...>]

Hi Jens,

What you stated is logical, just as it would make sense to consider almost any kind medical treatment to be more effective, if tailored to the needs of a particular patient, rather than using a 'one-size-fits-all' approach; however, I would like to see the results of any rigorous, scientific studies which have examined the effectiveness of qEEG therapy; so far, I have yet to encounter mention of any such study.

The key word in your response is 'allegedly,' which sounds as though you, too, are basing your comment on anecdotal reports, not a published, scientific study. So far, I am in the same position as you, having only heard of amazing results, but still left wondering if they are really based on any rigorous studies that include such things as repeatability, double-blinded protocol, statistical analysis, peer review, etc. If you know of any such studies, I would appreciate it, if you could point me to them.  Of course, the problem with such extravagant results as those claimed by the commercial providers is the same as anyone who is trying to make money, so they are of no interest, to me.

>From what I have found, online, it appears as though the use of qEEG is not widespread in the medical community, which makes it suspect; as the old saying goes, 'The proof is in the pudding'; i.e., if it really works, then you wonder why it is not widely used by now, since it has been around for decades.

Regards,

Ray Cole
ray...@ms...



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From: Jens Körner <jn...@gm...>
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 1:59 AM
To: Discussion of EEG hardware, software, training protocols, NFB theory - for developers and users. <ope...@li...>
Subject: Re: [Openeeg-list] Trying to do some research on the effects of biofeedback

Hi Laura,

my experience with neurofeedback is mainly as a patient of severe
early childhood brain trauma.

In my opinion the main source of confusion in the field originates in
a lack of differentiation:

Broadly speaking, there are two very different kinds of
neurofeedbacktrainig: 1. The generalized way: trainig each
participant's brain to match a statistical average. That's done by
most providers. It's a little bit scalable and sometimes has some
useful effect.
2. The individualized approach (Sebern Fisher, Jim Hardt): totally
unscalable; therefore expensive; with allegedly spectacular results.

Perhaps this is of some use to you.
Regards
Jens



2021-04-03 10:03 GMT+02:00, Stefan Jung <bio...@gm...>:
> Hi Laura
>
> This site is DEAD.  It feels like a lifetime ago that I last posted here
>
> Firstly, I think you should speak / search Neurofeedback (NFB) rather than
> biofeedback.
>
> If someone tells me he is interested in biofeedback I think about:
>
> - Hand temperature biofeedback to reduce migraines
> - GSR / SCL skin resistance biofeedback for meditation, hypertension, etc
> - HRV (Heart Rate Variance),  for similar uses as SCL
> -  etc.
>
> Here are three group recommendations:
>
> Brain-trainer
> brain-trainer.com  run by Peter van Deusen.  Peter used to be a hospital
> administrator (I think), many years ago in the US.  I think the man must
> have at least 20 years of NFB experience by now.  Very helpful and
> knowledgeable.  For the last few years he has been operating from
> Brazil.  He has a very active community and a forum where they discuss
> various NFB applications, etc.
>
> OpenBCI
> https://openbci.com/
> Their main goal is to use BCI ( Brain Computer Interfacing) for command and
> control.  For instance, a handycaped person that can control a wheelchair
> or computer with a BCI interface.
>
> OpenVIBE
> http://openvibe.inria.fr/
> A research organisation based in France
> They seem to concentrate on the software layer running on various BCI
> equipment.  Not sure how active they are these days.
>
> Regards
> Stefan
>


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