Re: [Omail-devel] omail-webmail: what next?

[Jim W. <ji...@tv...>]

Personally, just my two cents
    I would love to see this project dropped and more time put into building
up oMail Admin, but I'm being selfish in this respect I know. ;)

We love oMail Admin.

Thanks all,
Jim
TVCNet.com


On 3/17/04 11:02 PM, "Carter Smithhart" <der...@de...> wrote:

> Olivier,
> 
> Yes, it does seem that omail-webmail is in need of a change of
> something.
> 
> I'd just like to point out that one of the special features that
> omail-webmail has that other webmail packages don't seem to have is the
> sheer number of translations.
> 
> Here are a few ideas that I've had which may or may not revitalize the
> project:
> - Implement omail-webmail using Template Toolkit (bugzilla uses it) to
> allow easier separation of code and UI. This allows a non-programmer to
> modify the UI without having to change the logic that drives the app.
> - Rewrite omail-webmail using the perl MailTool library. This would
> allow omail-webmail to access imap, pop3, maildir, mbox, MH, and Outlook
> Express (dbx) folders all at the same time or per user.
> 
> I also question whether or not webmail-omail has a future with products
> such as squirrelmail being available, so I am curious to know what other
> users of webmail-omail think.
> 
> Carter
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 14:00, Olivier Mueller wrote:
>> Hello, bonjour!
>> 
>> Since a few months I'm wondering what to do with the
>> omail-webmail project: should it be continued or
>> stopped? This is what I'd like to ask you (the =~ 200
>> people one these lists).
>> 
>> The main concern I had 4 years ago, when I started
>> omail-webmail (forked from the Neomail project) was speed
>> & performance (& fun :) : it was then the case with direct
>> Maildir access compared to complex access via imap.
>> Openwebmail continued on this way for "mbox-based" accounts
>> (www.openwebmail.org), with many nice features, while
>> omail-webmail stayed a bit behind: there are many
>> features missing, especially folders support and
>> decoding of base64-encoded mails to name just two of them.
>> 
>> But omail-webmail is now old and IMHO not secure
>> enough for "serious" hosting (it even came on bugtraq last year:
>> http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/334056 and there
>> are probably other security issues): I belive that
>> running a suidperl based CGI is not the best solution
>> nowadays. Other problem: the installation is still quite
>> complex (check the ML archive :).
>> 
>> 
>> Today it's easier to setup qmail + vmailmgr + courier-imap
>> and an imap-based webmail like squirrelmail than the
>> same with omail-webmail, there are even automated tools to
>> do that (cf freshmeat). And it's safer for the server too:
>> no more suidperl, and PHP is quite standard now too.
>> I remember that it wasn't the case 3-4 years ago, with
>> IMP/horde setup and uw-imapd libraries, etc.
>> 
>> So the question is: what next? :-)  Are there still
>> people/servers using omail-webmail?
>> 
>> 
>>> From a personal point of view, I think I'd rather concentrate
>> on other open source projects (omail-admin, ospam: spam
>> fighing add-on for qmail+vmailmgr, and phpmyadmin) than
>> spending more time on omail-webmail, trying to reinvent the
>> wheel and implement weird things (MIME support, attachments
>> decoding, folders support etc) which are already nicely
>> programmed elsewhere (squirrel, IMP, etc.). Or are
>> there people around willing to continue de developement
>> of omail-webmail?
>> 
>> 
>> All my customers are still using omail-webmail, so
>> in any case I will have to find a solution anyway :).  Now
>> I'm thinking about an automated transition to
>> squirrelmail, with scripts to (server-wide) convert
>> omail's pseudo folders to courier-imap compatible IMAP
>> folders, and if possible do the same with the addressbook.
>> Maybe you even already coded something like that?
>> 
>> 
>> Feedback welcome!  It was fun working with you :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Olivier
> 
> 
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