Re: [Obo-discuss] [bfo-discuss] Re: Health condition or status

[Asiyah Yu L. <lin...@gm...>]

Hi Oliver,

The health state and status are two different terms bearing different
meanings in this discussion.
Status is about a state, and a state is something specifically dependent on
an independent continuant.

Maybe you are more inclining to use status and abandon state here.
Do I get it right?

Thanks,
Asiyah




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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:42 AM, He, Yongqun <yon...@me...>wrote:

>  It may not be a good idea to call an ontology term representing a
> relation, quality, disposition, and bodily process simultaneously. If it is
> this case, we probably need to split it into different words.
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> To me, a health state (or health status) is more like a quality at a
> defined point of time.
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> I don’t think that a health state is a relation or special relation ( I
> don’t know what it means here).
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> A health state is not a disposition because it is not a trend (or
> realizable entity). It is already there. It’s more like a quality.
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> A health state is not a process. It is not like a disease course as a
> process. It’s more like a quality of a person that may be under a disease
> course.
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> A health state (or status) is not a finding (which is a data item). To
> make it a finding, we may have another name like “health state finding”.
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> Oliver
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> *From:* ogm...@go... [mailto:
> ogm...@go...] *On Behalf Of *Asiyah Yu Lin
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:19 AM
> *To:* ogm...@go...
> *Cc:* bfo...@go...; obo...@li...
> *Subject:* Re: [bfo-discuss] Re: Health condition or status
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> Hi Barry.
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> State is the key term that we have to work out. Can you help?
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> I am copying you the discussion about Health state and state:
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> 1. Health state
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> I cooperated Richard's comment and WHO's definition of health state here:
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>  Health state:  Totality of all bodily components, their spacial
> relations, their qualities, their dispositions, and/or bodily processes of
> an organism at a defined point in time, which reflects the functionality of
> the organism’s
>
> physical, mental and social capacities at that point of time.
>
>  Cristian Coco's comment is here:
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> A (health) state cannot be made out of bodily components (parts?), as
> those are independent continuants. Nor can it be made of processes (as a
> matter of fact, I cannot imagine what "process at a defined point in time"
> might mean). I would be tempted to go with "health state of an organism =
> the totality of health (state) parameter *values* at some moment in time in
> the life of the organism. (Mathematically, this "totality" should be
> captured as an ordered pair.)
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> 2. state (more general term than health state):
>
>     The definition given by Richard is as follows:
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>  State:  Totality of all components, their spacial relations, their
> qualities, their dispositions, and/or processes of a continuant at a
> defined point of time
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> According to Robort's comment, the totality may not be a good word to use
> here, since it brings the meaning of having components and processes as
> parts.
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> Sivaram's input:
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> - state = a snapshot of the processes at a point in time (this I think is
> similar to what Richard described)
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> - status = relative standing or position e.g. normal, elevated, ...
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> Best,
>
> Asiyah
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> Jedi Order:
>
> There is no emotion, there is peace.
>
> There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
>
> There is no passion, there is serenity.
>
> There is no chaos, there is harmony.
>
> There is no death, there is Force.
>
>
>
> Our Jedi Code: May peace and force be with you.
>
>
>
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> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Barry Smith <phi...@bu...> wrote:
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> ​Asiyah:​
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> We are more likely to focus on defining 'status'.
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> The examples are:
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> 'health status': 'HIV status'
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> 'research study status': such as 'research study terminated', 'research
> study suspended'
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> 'study subject participation status': such as 'participating', 'withdrew'
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> If we define each term by using state, as follows:
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> Health status def. = a finding that is about the organism's health state
> at a specific time
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>  HIV status def. = a clinical finding that is about the organism's (e.g.
> human's) HIV disease course at a specific time
>
> Research study status def. = a finding that is about a research study's
> state at a specific time.
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> Study subject participation status def.= a finding that is about a study
> subject's state of participating a research study at a specific time.
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> ​Unfortunately these definitions are circular (since 'status' and 'state'
> seem to mean the same thing). Do you have a definition of 'state'?​
>
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