From: Dr. m. S. D. <san...@ch...> - 2009-10-24 16:50:10
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> The following is an explanation for the following question on the tracker. > There was a question whether the following PATO definition is correct. > > [Term] > id: HP:0004012 ! Fused radial epiphyseal plates > intersection_of: PATO:0000642 ! fused with > intersection_of: OBO_REL:inheres_in FMA:33770 ! Epiphysis of radius > > But this is problematic on a number of levels: > > * fused with what? > > * is epiphysis and epiphyseal plate synonymous? FMA, MA and Wikipedia all > don't think so. If an epiphyseal plate is supposed to be only the area of cartilage, and the epiphysis the hole region that appears on x-rays meaning cartilage and surrounding growth area - then epiphysis would definitely include the epiphyseal plate in which case it would be better for almost any description to use the term epiphysis instead. > > So maybe this is better: > > [Term] > id: HP:0004012 ! Fused radial epiphyseal plates > intersection_of: PATO:0000642 ! fused with > intersection_of: OBO_REL:inheres_in FMA:34354 ! Epiphyseal plate of radius I think this term is the result of a spelling mistake in the Publikation/OMIM. It doesn't make sense for the epiphyseal plate beeing fused with itself or even the epiphysis because I don't think you could see the fusion of epiphysis and epiphysal plate even on X-ray. > unfortunately there is no link between Epiphyseal plate and epiphysis in > FMA, so we can't recapitulate the HP hierarchy from HP-XP and FMA... > > > > ==>> Long bones (such as the femur or the humerus) have a structure that > is defined in relation to a transverse cartilage plate that is present in > growing bone (i.e., in childhood). This plate is termed the > physis (synonyms=epiphyseal cartilage plate and growth plate). The terms > "epiphysis" (area of bone above the physis, i.e., on the joint side of the > epiphyseal cartilage), "metaphysis" (Non-joint side of the epiphyseal > cartilage plate, where the bone tends to have a fluted or funnel shape), > and "diaphysis" (the body or shaft of the bone) are thus defined in > relation to the physis. > > > Therefore, epiphyseal (cartilage) plate is NOT the same thing as > epiphysis. > > I am still left wondering what this term is supposed to mean, because I > cannot find any annotation to "Fused radial epiphyseal plates" or to its > child medially fused epiphyseal growth plates. Since the fusion of the > epiphyseal plate occurs normally with maturation of the skeleton, the > "abnormal" aspect of this needs to be defined better. Stefan or Sandra, do > you know of any skeletal diseases characterized say by "premature fusion > of the radial epiphyseal cartilage plate"? If not, then I would say that > these two HPO terms are probably erroneous and should be made obsolete. I think this could be one of the not very precice terms. The disease MIM-607778_Acrocapitofemoral dysplasia is describd in the literature as having "premature epimetaphyseal fusion": [Varus deformity of the tibiae with proximal and distal premature epimetaphyseal fusion is most likely the result of cone-shaped epiphyses.] (see attached Publication) "Fused radial epiphyseal plates" probably refers to "premature epimetaphyseal fusion of the epiphyses of the radius" _Sandra > > -peter > > > > > > -- > Dr. med. Peter N. Robinson, MSc. > Institut für Medizinische Genetik > Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin > Augustenburger Platz 1 > 13353 Berlin > Germany > +4930 450569124 > pet...@ch... > http://compbio.charite.de > http://www.human-phenotype-ontology.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Obo-human-phenotype mailing list > Obo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/obo-human-phenotype > Dr. med. Sandra Dölken Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Virchow Klinikum Institut für Medizinische Genetik Augustenburger Platz 1 13353 Berlin Germany phone: +49(0)30 450 569 132 fax: +49(0)30 450 569 914 email: san...@ch... http://genetik.charite.de/institut/ |