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From: Philippe Rocca-S. <ro...@eb...> - 2009-07-30 10:52:20
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Hi again,
Following Alan's note on obsolete relation, I am going over the protocol
application branch and checking restrictions:
I have so far spotted a few errors such as
DNA sequence feature detection:
has_specified_input some 'double-stranded DNA' or
DNA sequence variation detection:
has_specified_input some 'ribonucleic acids' **
but the more important is the following:
*animal feeding* has currently the following restriction: realizes some
'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some 'material_entity'))....
or should it be
has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some 'feed role'))
Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of 'has_specified_input' relation.
I have found myself confronted with this issue with several classes already (e.g. elution...)
s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}' and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
Cheers
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From: Bjoern P. <bp...@li...> - 2009-07-30 14:47:04
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> *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction: realizes some
> 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
>
I believe the above is the best we can do
> realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some 'material_entity'))....
>
>
Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
> or should it be
>
> has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some 'feed role'))
>
>
This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
> Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of 'has_specified_input' relation.
> I have found myself confronted with this issue with several classes already (e.g. elution...)
> s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}' and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
>
>
I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a specified
participant of a process and the role it realizes.
>
--
Bjoern Peters
Assistant Member
La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
9420 Athena Circle
La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
Tel: 858/752-6914
Fax: 858/752-6987
http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
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From: Frank G. <fg...@gm...> - 2009-07-30 15:02:02
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters <bp...@li...> wrote:
>
> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction: realizes some
> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
> >
> I believe the above is the best we can do
Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
animal feeding
has_specified_input some organism
has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
Frank
>
>
> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some 'material_entity'))....
> >
> >
> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
> > or should it be
> >
> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some 'feed
> role'))
> >
> >
> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple question of
> style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of 'has_specified_input'
> relation.
> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several classes
> already (e.g. elution...)
> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as has_specified_input
> some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}' and (has_role some 'solvent
> role')))
> >
> >
>
> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a specified
> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
> >
> --
> Bjoern Peters
> Assistant Member
> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
> 9420 Athena Circle
> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
> Tel: 858/752-6914
> Fax: 858/752-6987
> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>
>
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From: Philippe Rocca-S. <ro...@eb...> - 2009-07-30 15:12:11
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Frank, Bjoern
+1
Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed' realizes
feed_role
since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything about the
realization of a role born by the continuant being specified
if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation needs
to be clarified and an example supplied
Cheers
P
Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters <bp...@li...
> <mailto:bp...@li...>> wrote:
>
>
> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
> realizes some
> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
> >
> I believe the above is the best we can do
>
>
> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>
> animal feeding
> has_specified_input some organism
> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>
> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
> 'material_entity'))....
> >
> >
> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
> > or should it be
> >
> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
> 'feed role'))
> >
> >
> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
> 'has_specified_input' relation.
> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
> classes already (e.g. elution...)
> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}'
> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
> >
> >
>
> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
> specified
> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
> >
> --
> Bjoern Peters
> Assistant Member
> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
> 9420 Athena Circle
> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
> Tel: 858/752-6914
> Fax: 858/752-6987
> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>
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www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project
The European Bioinformatics Institute email: ro...@eb...
EMBL Outstation - Hinxton direct: +44 (0)1223 492 553
Wellcome Trust Genome Campus fax: +44 (0)1223 492 620
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From: James M. <ma...@eb...> - 2009-07-30 15:45:11
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If this is important it should be added to the tracker and assigned a
priority 9 and we can add it to the call monday and assign the task.
I'm not sure how critical it is, if anyone thinks so could you do that
please (if it given 9 I will add it to agenda). If it's not critical we
should probably still add it so it's not lost.
Cheers,
James
Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Philippe Rocca-Serra <ro...@eb...
> <mailto:ro...@eb...>> wrote:
>
> Frank, Bjoern
>
> +1
>
> Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed'
> realizes feed_role
>
>
> I think you need to have this relation on the role so the. feed_role
> is_realized_by some animal_feeding_process
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
> since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything
> about the realization of a role born by the continuant being specified
>
> if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation
> needs to be clarified and an example supplied
>
> Cheers
>
> P
>
> Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters
> <bp...@li... <mailto:bp...@li...>
> <mailto:bp...@li... <mailto:bp...@li...>>> wrote:
>
>
> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
> realizes some
> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
> >
> I believe the above is the best we can do
>
>
> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>
> animal feeding
> has_specified_input some organism
> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>
> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
> 'material_entity'))....
> >
> >
> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
> > or should it be
> >
> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
> 'feed role'))
> >
> >
> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the
> left hand
> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
> 'has_specified_input' relation.
> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
> classes already (e.g. elution...)
> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular
> entity}'
> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
> >
> >
>
> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling
> this. I
> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
> specified
> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
> >
> --
> Bjoern Peters
> Assistant Member
> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
> 9420 Athena Circle
> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
> Tel: 858/752-6914
> Fax: 858/752-6987
> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> --
> Philippe Rocca-Serra, PhD
>
> Technical Coordinator
> www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project <http://www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project>
>
> The European Bioinformatics Institute email: ro...@eb...
> <mailto:ro...@eb...>
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> Wellcome Trust Genome Campus fax: +44 (0)1223 492 620
> Cambridge CB10 1SD, UK room: A3-141
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>
>
>
>
> --
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From: Frank G. <fg...@gm...> - 2009-07-30 15:52:46
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM, James Malone <ma...@eb...> wrote:
> If this is important it should be added to the tracker and assigned a
> priority 9 and we can add it to the call monday and assign the task. I'm
> not sure how critical it is, if anyone thinks so could you do that please
> (if it given 9 I will add it to agenda). If it's not critical we should
> probably still add it so it's not lost.
>
This is the way we define roles, feed_role is missing the realised in
feeding_process restriction. You dont need to state it again in the process,
we can infer it.
Frank
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
>
> Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Philippe Rocca-Serra <ro...@eb...<mailto:
>> ro...@eb...>> wrote:
>>
>> Frank, Bjoern
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed'
>> realizes feed_role
>>
>>
>> I think you need to have this relation on the role so the. feed_role
>> is_realized_by some animal_feeding_process
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything
>> about the realization of a role born by the continuant being specified
>>
>> if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation
>> needs to be clarified and an example supplied
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> P
>>
>> Frank Gibson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters
>> <bp...@li... <mailto:bp...@li...>
>> <mailto:bp...@li... <mailto:bp...@li...>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
>> realizes some
>> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
>> >
>> I believe the above is the best we can do
>>
>>
>> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>>
>> animal feeding
>> has_specified_input some organism
>> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
>> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>>
>> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
>> 'material_entity'))....
>> >
>> >
>> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
>> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
>> > or should it be
>> >
>> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
>> 'feed role'))
>> >
>> >
>> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the
>> left hand
>> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
>> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
>> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
>> 'has_specified_input' relation.
>> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
>> classes already (e.g. elution...)
>> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
>> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular
>> entity}'
>> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling
>> this. I
>> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
>> specified
>> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
>> >
>> --
>> Bjoern Peters
>> Assistant Member
>> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
>> 9420 Athena Circle
>> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
>> Tel: 858/752-6914
>> Fax: 858/752-6987
>> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> -- Frank Gibson, PhD
>> http://peanutbutter.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Philippe Rocca-Serra, PhD
>>
>> Technical Coordinator
>> www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project <http://www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project>
>>
>> The European Bioinformatics Institute email: ro...@eb...
>> <mailto:ro...@eb...>
>> EMBL Outstation - Hinxton direct: +44 (0)1223 492 553
>> Wellcome Trust Genome Campus fax: +44 (0)1223 492 620
>> Cambridge CB10 1SD, UK room: A3-141
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://peanutbutter.wordpress.com/
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From: Bjoern P. <bp...@li...> - 2009-07-31 15:27:01
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Chris Mungall wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters <bp...@li...> wrote:
>>
>> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction: realizes
>> some
>> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
>> >
>> I believe the above is the best we can do
>>
>> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>>
>> animal feeding
>> has_specified_input some organism
>> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
>> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>>
>> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>
> But you're not stating that the two organism instances are identical.
> This is fine if the above is intended as necessary conditions, but if
> the goal is to produce N+S conditions then this is problematic. You're
> not really stating that the input organisms have been fed. The input
> organisms may have been ground up and fed to an entirely different
> organism.
>
> Jumping in halfway here, apologies if this has already been discussed
>
I raised this in an earlier thread: We are implicitly assuming a
'derived from' like relationship between the specified inputs and
specified outputs of a process. We have not been able to either state
this effectively in OWL or figured out how exactly to define that
relation. At the same time, we also did not run into practical problems
with this yet.
Bjoern
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
>> 'material_entity'))....
>> >
>> >
>> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
>> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
>> > or should it be
>> >
>> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some 'feed
>> role'))
>> >
>> >
>> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
>> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
>> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
>> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
>> 'has_specified_input' relation.
>> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several classes
>> already (e.g. elution...)
>> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
>> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}'
>> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
>> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a specified
>> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
>> >
>> --
>> Bjoern Peters
>> Assistant Member
>> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
>> 9420 Athena Circle
>> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
>> Tel: 858/752-6914
>> Fax: 858/752-6987
>> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>>
>>
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From: Frank G. <fg...@gm...> - 2009-07-30 15:29:58
|
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Philippe Rocca-Serra <ro...@eb...>wrote:
> Frank, Bjoern
>
> +1
>
> Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed' realizes
> feed_role
I think you need to have this relation on the role so the. feed_role
is_realized_by some animal_feeding_process
Frank
>
> since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything about the
> realization of a role born by the continuant being specified
>
> if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation needs to
> be clarified and an example supplied
>
> Cheers
>
> P
>
> Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters <bp...@li... <mailto:
>> bp...@li...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
>> realizes some
>> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
>> >
>> I believe the above is the best we can do
>>
>>
>> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>>
>> animal feeding
>> has_specified_input some organism
>> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
>> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>>
>> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
>> 'material_entity'))....
>> >
>> >
>> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
>> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
>> > or should it be
>> >
>> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
>> 'feed role'))
>> >
>> >
>> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
>> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
>> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
>> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
>> 'has_specified_input' relation.
>> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
>> classes already (e.g. elution...)
>> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
>> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}'
>> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
>> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
>> specified
>> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
>> >
>> --
>> Bjoern Peters
>> Assistant Member
>> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
>> 9420 Athena Circle
>> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
>> Tel: 858/752-6914
>> Fax: 858/752-6987
>> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>>
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From: Bjoern P. <bp...@li...> - 2009-07-30 15:55:17
|
Frank: that is not the point. The individual statements are trivial. The problem is
to logically exactly say that an entity is a specified participant of a process AND the role it realizes in that process..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Gibson" <fg...@gm...>
To: "Philippe Rocca-Serra" <ro...@eb...>
Cc: "Bjoern Peters" <bp...@li...>, "OBI Developers" <obi...@li...>, "Protocol App Branch" <obi...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:29:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Obi-protocol-application-branch] Protocol Application review: consistency/style of restriction
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Philippe Rocca-Serra < ro...@eb... > wrote:
Frank, Bjoern
+1
Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed' realizes feed_role
I think you need to have this relation on the role so the. feed_role is_realized_by some animal_feeding_process
Frank
since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything about the realization of a role born by the continuant being specified
if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation needs to be clarified and an example supplied
Cheers
P
Frank Gibson wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters < bp...@li... <mailto: bp...@li... >> wrote:
> *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
realizes some
> 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
>
I believe the above is the best we can do
Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
animal feeding
has_specified_input some organism
has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
Frank
> realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
'material_entity'))....
>
>
Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
> or should it be
>
> has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
'feed role'))
>
>
This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
> Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
'has_specified_input' relation.
> I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
classes already (e.g. elution...)
> s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}'
and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
>
>
I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
specified
participant of a process and the role it realizes.
>
--
Bjoern Peters
Assistant Member
La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
9420 Athena Circle
La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
Tel: 858/752-6914
Fax: 858/752-6987
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From: Frank G. <fg...@gm...> - 2009-07-30 16:10:50
|
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Bjoern Peters <bp...@li...> wrote:
> Frank: that is not the point. The individual statements are trivial. The
> problem is
> to logically exactly say that an entity is a specified participant of a
> process AND the role it realizes in that process..
>
You cant - and it should not be something you want to do. The material
doesnt realise a role, it bears it (has_role), for the duration of the
process. Becasue is bears the role and the process complete the role has
been realized by the process, which includes the participants. I admit the
BFO defintion of role is not very helpful - there is a surprise...
You can ask what role is it bearing for the duration of the process and
infer it was realised. You cant ask your statement above.
Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Gibson" <fg...@gm...>
> To: "Philippe Rocca-Serra" <ro...@eb...>
> Cc: "Bjoern Peters" <bp...@li...>, "OBI Developers" <
> obi...@li...>, "Protocol App Branch" <
> obi...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:29:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Obi-protocol-application-branch] Protocol Application review:
> consistency/style of restriction
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Philippe Rocca-Serra < ro...@eb... >
> wrote:
>
>
> Frank, Bjoern
>
> +1
>
> Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed' realizes
> feed_role
>
> I think you need to have this relation on the role so the. feed_role
> is_realized_by some animal_feeding_process
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
> since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything about the
> realization of a role born by the continuant being specified
>
> if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation needs to
> be clarified and an example supplied
>
> Cheers
>
> P
>
> Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters < bp...@li... <mailto:
> bp...@li... >> wrote:
>
>
> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
> realizes some
> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
> >
> I believe the above is the best we can do
>
>
> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>
> animal feeding
> has_specified_input some organism
> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>
> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
> 'material_entity'))....
> >
> >
> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
> > or should it be
> >
> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
> 'feed role'))
> >
> >
> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
> 'has_specified_input' relation.
> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
> classes already (e.g. elution...)
> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}'
> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
> >
> >
>
> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
> specified
> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
> >
> --
> Bjoern Peters
> Assistant Member
> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
> 9420 Athena Circle
> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
> Tel: 858/752-6914
> Fax: 858/752-6987
> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>
>
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>
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>
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From: Bjoern P. <bp...@li...> - 2009-07-30 16:47:49
|
You cannot infer from an entity bearing a role during a process that the
role is realized in that process, at least according to Barry's
definitions. Anyway, I was ignoring role / function differences in this
discussion, in anticipation of replacing it with the solution presented
by Phil at the workshop. 'feed role' here is a good example why we need
that, as many of the things being fed to lab animals were manufactured
for that purpose, and therefore would have a 'feed function' from the
start of their existence. I forgot if we agreed on how to call the
parent entities of function / role , so I will rewrite using 'capacity'
animal feeding has_specified_participant some material entity and
bearer_of some feed capacity
AND
animal feeding realizes feed capacity borne by some material entity
What we can't say in OWL is that the same material entity is referred
to. Even if this may not be a problem for role if you believe every time
a material has a role it also realizes that role, it is a problem for
functions. A process realizing the plann to use a bag of manufactured
animal feed as a door stopper would fulfill the first statement above.
The second statement avoids that, but we don't get a reference to the plan.
- Bjoern
Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Bjoern Peters <bp...@li...
> <mailto:bp...@li...>> wrote:
>
> Frank: that is not the point. The individual statements are
> trivial. The problem is
> to logically exactly say that an entity is a specified participant
> of a process AND the role it realizes in that process..
>
>
> You cant - and it should not be something you want to do. The material
> doesnt realise a role, it bears it (has_role), for the duration of the
> process. Becasue is bears the role and the process complete the role
> has been realized by the process, which includes the participants. I
> admit the BFO defintion of role is not very helpful - there is a
> surprise...
>
> You can ask what role is it bearing for the duration of the process
> and infer it was realised. You cant ask your statement above.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Gibson" <fg...@gm... <mailto:fg...@gm...>>
> To: "Philippe Rocca-Serra" <ro...@eb... <mailto:ro...@eb...>>
> Cc: "Bjoern Peters" <bp...@li... <mailto:bp...@li...>>,
> "OBI Developers" <obi...@li...
> <mailto:obi...@li...>>, "Protocol App Branch"
> <obi...@li...
> <mailto:obi...@li...>>
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:29:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Obi-protocol-application-branch] Protocol
> Application review: consistency/style of restriction
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Philippe Rocca-Serra <
> ro...@eb... <mailto:ro...@eb...> > wrote:
>
>
> Frank, Bjoern
>
> +1
>
> Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed'
> realizes feed_role
>
> I think you need to have this relation on the role so the.
> feed_role is_realized_by some animal_feeding_process
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
> since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything
> about the realization of a role born by the continuant being specified
>
> if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation
> needs to be clarified and an example supplied
>
> Cheers
>
> P
>
> Frank Gibson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters < bp...@li...
> <mailto:bp...@li...> <mailto: bp...@li...
> <mailto:bp...@li...> >> wrote:
>
>
> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
> realizes some
> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
> >
> I believe the above is the best we can do
>
>
> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>
> animal feeding
> has_specified_input some organism
> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>
> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
> 'material_entity'))....
> >
> >
> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
> > or should it be
> >
> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
> 'feed role'))
> >
> >
> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
> 'has_specified_input' relation.
> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
> classes already (e.g. elution...)
> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}'
> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
> >
> >
>
> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
> specified
> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
> >
> --
> Bjoern Peters
> Assistant Member
> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
> 9420 Athena Circle
> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
> Tel: 858/752-6914
> Fax: 858/752-6987
> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>
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>
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>
>
>
> --
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>
> Technical Coordinator
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La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
9420 Athena Circle
La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
Tel: 858/752-6914
Fax: 858/752-6987
http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
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From: Philippe Rocca-S. <ro...@eb...> - 2009-07-30 17:30:43
|
That was my point.
We need both statement to fully qualify the process we are describing.
If we all agree on this, (please chip in if you disagree) then we can
start correcting /adjusting the restrictions of a number of processes (I
have already identified 12 classes and was not even half way through ).
Cheers
P
Bjoern Peters wrote:
> You cannot infer from an entity bearing a role during a process that
> the role is realized in that process, at least according to Barry's
> definitions. Anyway, I was ignoring role / function differences in
> this discussion, in anticipation of replacing it with the solution
> presented by Phil at the workshop. 'feed role' here is a good example
> why we need that, as many of the things being fed to lab animals were
> manufactured for that purpose, and therefore would have a 'feed
> function' from the start of their existence. I forgot if we agreed on
> how to call the parent entities of function / role , so I will rewrite
> using 'capacity'
>
> animal feeding has_specified_participant some material entity and
> bearer_of some feed capacity
> AND
> animal feeding realizes feed capacity borne by some material entity
>
> What we can't say in OWL is that the same material entity is referred
> to. Even if this may not be a problem for role if you believe every
> time a material has a role it also realizes that role, it is a problem
> for functions. A process realizing the plann to use a bag of
> manufactured animal feed as a door stopper would fulfill the first
> statement above. The second statement avoids that, but we don't get a
> reference to the plan.
>
> - Bjoern
>
>
>
> Frank Gibson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Bjoern Peters <bp...@li...
>> <mailto:bp...@li...>> wrote:
>>
>> Frank: that is not the point. The individual statements are
>> trivial. The problem is
>> to logically exactly say that an entity is a specified participant
>> of a process AND the role it realizes in that process..
>>
>>
>> You cant - and it should not be something you want to do. The
>> material doesnt realise a role, it bears it (has_role), for the
>> duration of the process. Becasue is bears the role and the process
>> complete the role has been realized by the process, which includes
>> the participants. I admit the BFO defintion of role is not very
>> helpful - there is a surprise...
>>
>> You can ask what role is it bearing for the duration of the process
>> and infer it was realised. You cant ask your statement above.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frank Gibson" <fg...@gm... <mailto:fg...@gm...>>
>> To: "Philippe Rocca-Serra" <ro...@eb...
>> <mailto:ro...@eb...>>
>> Cc: "Bjoern Peters" <bp...@li... <mailto:bp...@li...>>,
>> "OBI Developers" <obi...@li...
>> <mailto:obi...@li...>>, "Protocol App Branch"
>> <obi...@li...
>> <mailto:obi...@li...>>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:29:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
>> Pacific
>> Subject: Re: [Obi-protocol-application-branch] Protocol
>> Application review: consistency/style of restriction
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Philippe Rocca-Serra <
>> ro...@eb... <mailto:ro...@eb...> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Frank, Bjoern
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Frank, I believe we still need to state process 'animal feed'
>> realizes feed_role
>>
>> I think you need to have this relation on the role so the.
>> feed_role is_realized_by some animal_feeding_process
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> since the has_specified_input relation does not imply anything
>> about the realization of a role born by the continuant being
>> specified
>>
>> if this assertion is wrong then the has_specified_input relation
>> needs to be clarified and an example supplied
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> P
>>
>> Frank Gibson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bjoern Peters < bp...@li...
>> <mailto:bp...@li...> <mailto: bp...@li...
>> <mailto:bp...@li...> >> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > *animal feeding* has currently the following restriction:
>> realizes some
>> > 'feed role' , which should probably be replaced by:
>> >
>> I believe the above is the best we can do
>>
>>
>> Ok, so the class as it is is wrong, it probably shoudl be
>>
>> animal feeding
>> has_specified_input some organism
>> has_specified_input some (material has_role feed_role)
>> has_specified_ouput some fatter_organism
>>
>> The output here has to indicate that the organims has been fed.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > realizes some ('feed role' and (inheres_in some
>> 'material_entity'))....
>> >
>> >
>> Not sure what the .. is. If you want to connect it to
>> 'is_specified_participant', that won't work.
>> > or should it be
>> >
>> > has_specified_input some (material_entity and (realizes some
>> 'feed role'))
>> >
>> >
>> This does not work, as 'realizes' needs a process on the left hand
>> side, not a material entity. What does work is 'has_role'.
>> > Classifier likes either but I guess it is more than a simple
>> question of style. Bjoern had pointed to frequent abuse of
>> 'has_specified_input' relation.
>> > I have found myself confronted with this issue with several
>> classes already (e.g. elution...)
>> > s already (e.g. elution with a restriction such as
>> has_specified_input some ('{molecular entities, molecular entity}'
>> and (has_role some 'solvent role')))
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I agree that we need to have one consistent way of modeling this. I
>> don't believe we can logically exactly say that an entity is a
>> specified
>> participant of a process and the role it realizes.
>> >
>> --
>> Bjoern Peters
>> Assistant Member
>> La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
>> 9420 Athena Circle
>> La Jolla, CA 92037, USA
>> Tel: 858/752-6914
>> Fax: 858/752-6987
>> http://www.liai.org/pages/faculty-peters
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Technical Coordinator
>> www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project <http://www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project>
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>> The European Bioinformatics Institute email: ro...@eb...
>> <mailto:ro...@eb...>
>> EMBL Outstation - Hinxton direct: +44 (0)1223 492 553
>> Wellcome Trust Genome Campus fax: +44 (0)1223 492 620
>> Cambridge CB10 1SD, UK room: A3-141
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>> Frank Gibson, PhD
>> http://peanutbutter.wordpress.com/
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>> Frank Gibson, PhD
>> http://peanutbutter.wordpress.com/
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Philippe Rocca-Serra, PhD
Technical Coordinator
www.ebi.ac.uk/net-project
The European Bioinformatics Institute email: ro...@eb...
EMBL Outstation - Hinxton direct: +44 (0)1223 492 553
Wellcome Trust Genome Campus fax: +44 (0)1223 492 620
Cambridge CB10 1SD, UK room: A3-141
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