Re: [Notion-general] Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge

[tot-to <not...@to...>]

Hi Matthieu,

> This is not true. Why are you saying that?
Because when I click "Plaats bericht" (stand for "New Topic", probably
in Dutch), it asks to log-in to Google and doesn't reveal any
alternative.

> You are making a confusion between a gmail account and a google
> account.
> 
> A google account can be linked to any email address, not just gmail.
> And as said in other messages, you do not need a google account to use
> google groups, although it's clearly more convenient when you have
> one.
You're right, I've never distingished these two things and I guess even
most of Google users (even among power users) don't pay attention to the
difference. I can find a way to register the account without Gmail if I
look for it in particular (btw, it still doesn't want to proceed
without an sms verification). But is there a situation when Google
would reveal this option to the user? If I click "Plaats bericht" in a
Google group and then "Een account maken" and in the registration form,
I can see an irremovable "@gmail.com" in "E-Mailadres" field, i.e. it
forces a user to register not only Google account, but Gmail as well.

> If we are to pick google groups Vs sf.net, we should consider the
> drawbacks on both sides.
Sure, but it's not a dilemma.

> Read this for example:
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle- pushing-adware/

I've heard that. Totally agree that this is absolutely unacceptable.
Google does many unethical things, too. I think much more, than SF.
Both are just the same kind of bullshit.

-----Original Message-----
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:05:00 +0200
From: Matthieu Moy <Mat...@gr...>
To: tot-to <not...@to...>
Cc: Ed Schwartz <edm...@cm...>,        notion-general
<not...@li...> Subject: Re: [Notion-general]
Moving the mailinglists away from Sourceforge


tot-to <not...@to...> writes:

> But the requirement of Google account create much more trobles. One
> needs not only to register, but also to set-up forwarding from Google
> e-mail to their actual address.

You are making a confusion between a gmail account and a google account.

A google account can be linked to any email address, not just gmail. And
as said in other messages, you do not need a google account to use
google groups, although it's clearly more convenient when you have one.

> And in order to post a message, instead of simply sending an e-mail,
> one needs to log-in.

This is not true. Why are you saying that?

> Apart of everything else, mailman is a free software, and google groups
> is proprietary.

If we are to pick google groups Vs sf.net, we should consider the
drawbacks on both sides.

Read this for example:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/

or for french-speaking people:

http://linuxfr.org/users/jehan/journaux/sourceforge-de-pire-en-pire-usurpation-d-identite-du-projet-gimp

I don't particularly support the migration to google groups, but moving
away from sourceforge would definitely be a good thing in my opinion.
Sourceforge did a good job supporting free software 10 years ago, but
they are now actively harmful.

-- 
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/