Re: [Notion-general] Panels with notion?

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 03:45:20PM +0100, David Given wrote:
> Arnout Engelen wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 01:14:49PM +0100, David Given wrote:
> >> I would like to use Notion with Gnome. (Don't laugh, okay?) (And right
> >> now this is all in floating mode.) 
> > 
> > How do you create a floating workspace? This appears to have become an
> > undocumented feature. I think we should document it :).
> 
> Er... I think I just closed all frames and it Just Happened. I know it's
> possible, I did it back in the Before Time, but haven't done it
> recently. 

In the old days F9 asked for the workspace type. Since some time before 
http://notion.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=notion/notion;a=commit;h=3d38954deab0146e60f7f30ff44f0684b77c7500 
you could use the context command new-empty-workspace instead. 
That appears to have disappeared, too, though. Not sure what the proper way
is now. Anyone?

> (Currently I have a bunch of defwinprop { float = true } to
> float windows over the frames.)

You don't need that when you're using a WFloatWS though do you?

> Anyway, slight background: what I want to do is to configure Notion to
> be, by default, a floating window manager, and then add frames for
> specific windows only. 

Interesting

> There's too much stuff these days that doesn't
> get on well with frames. The amount of time I've spent trying to figure
> out why my wireless wasn't working, because the 'Enter Wireless Key'
> dialogue had appeared squashed into the tiny frame containing
> stalonetray and I hadn't seen it, isn't funny.

Ouch...

> [...]
> > For me, in a normal tiled workspace, loading mod_dock causes gnome-panel
> > to open as a proper 'panel' instead of as a normal window.
> 
> This is with Gnome 3 in fallback mode, which creates panels top and
> bottom (and then I have gkrellm off to the right). 

Ah ok. Right now I'm using the gnome2 gnome-panel configured to use only
a bottom panel.

I'm not sure mod_dock supports having panels on multiple sides of the screen.
Anyone?

> I did spend some time fiddling with mod_dock but there's no documentation 
> for that either. I think I did manage to get it to swallow a panel once but 
> it then expanded to fill 2/3 of the screen...

Hmm not sure. I notice mod_dock doesn't always work when I just restart Notion,
I have to restart gnome-panel itself, too.

> [...]
> > For a tiling workspace, i think it makes sense to ignore this request. For a
> > floating one, it'd make sense to honour it indeed. Could you submit a 
> > feature request for this?
> 
> Where's good? 

The sf.net trackers, https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=314802

> (I'm also wondering whether the defwinprop stuff is flexible enough to 
> support this without needing any core changes.)

I'm not sure.

> Also: nautilus tried to claim the root window and I ended up with a
> gigantic floating window. A floating workspace is about the only time
> when a root window is relevant in Notion, so I'm not surprised it's not
> supported. Would this be easy to change?

It looks like Nautilus doesn't actually change the root window, but instead 
creates a window with _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE set to _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP.
Sounds like we could make Notion honour that on floating workspaces, but not
sure how hard that would be. Also one for the feature requests I suppose :).


Kind regards,

Arnout