Obviously, the paid component per installation system is one of their important income generating scams. I would be fine with that, if they were the actual owners of the legitimate software. The real problem is, they are polluting these open source software installations for the purpose of filling their pockets by this scam, and worst of all, without even notifying the authors/creators of this software, while the creators are struggling against such parasitic software in order to keep their installers cleaner and safer.
Such a shameless policy should be condemned, and the Notepad++ project will move entirely out of SourceForge.
I humbly request that Notepad++ users not encourage such scams, and educate others not to download any software from SourceForge. I request as well that the project owners on SourceForge move out of SourceForge, in order to preserve the purpose of the Open Source Community and encourage the works of true authors/creators.
Sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for your comprehension.
Don
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-27
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I don't know if you already looked at sf2github script but it should help migrating from SF to Github bugs tracker: https://github.com/ttencate/sf2github
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you should update your website as your "contribute" link on your website still takes people to sourceforge to report bugs, request features etc instead of github.
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Hey Don,
If, and I do mean if, SourceForge decides to change and make everything "right" again, will you come back to SourceForge? Back when SF wasn't doing all this shady stuff, it was a really good place to distribute and download open source software.
Dylan.
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The "right" definition by SF is stop hijacking abandon projects, and do only the opt-in - that is project owners agree that SF bundle their software, and share the income with SF. Filezilla is a well known example.
My "right" definition is not even offering bundle option.
Users download bundled software from SF, then they discover their PC is full of crapware - I don't know what will be your reaction, but I'll blame to SF directly. So you see the idea, the software stays on SF could be the opt-in, corrupted, not by SF, but WITH SF.
Being project owner of Notepad++, I have no intention to associate Notepad++ with this dirty brand.
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-20
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Here are the actions will be taken:
All the forums and trackers will be closed. I stay as admin to keep an eye on it.
SF can always take over the project and do their dirty stuffs, but they cannot shut down my voice outside (newsletter, mailing list, social network...).
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-20
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Assuming this discussion board is also going away, it might be nice to have another type of discussion board like this. I understand there is the live chat (which is a very nice idea) but many posts on this forum take many hours or days for a response. A fear would be users start posting simple help related questions as issues, meaning every that would be posted in this help section gets opened as github issues which may drown out the real bugs.
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I do understand this problem. If there's any solution for that (on github), I will take it.
In the meanwhile, let's say a question could be an issue, and there'll be a "question" label on this issue.
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What about an embedded http://www.nabble.com forum? We use it in the LanguageTool project, and it works OK.
Notepad++ has a lot of nice users who are always willing to help out if somebody has a problem, it would be a shame if that community were lost. Personally I have learned tons of useful things on this board here, and I am sure I was able to help other people in a few cases.
That gitter thing certainly has its uses, but with millions of Notepad++ users worldwide, there is a fair chance that questions (and also answers!) will get lost in all that noise.
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I'm not 100 % sure I understand you. If you mean the LanguageTool forum, it is here: https://languagetool.org/forum/. It is a good example for what a Nabble forum looks like after being in use for some time.
Nabble itself is here: http://www.nabble.com. Just click on "Start a Free Forum" and you're done in a few minutes. If it doesn't work out for some reason, you can still abandon it and look for another solution.
Last edit: Jan Schreiber 2015-06-18
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Thank you for the example you provide.
It looks easy and efficient. However I don't really like their look and feel. Other reasons that make me hesitate are the dependency and more authentication.
By dependency I mean if nabble.com change their policy (look at SF), then whole forums could be gone. By "more authentication" I mean for a developer who has the account of GitHub, he/she should create the second account for discussing in the forums.
I did some search for the forum solutions for github, and I found this one: https://discuss.atom.io/
It looks sexy, it's independant (need to be deployed) by using GitHub, and it could be authentified via GitHub (to be checked).
I'm aware of the need of forums for the community, but I prefer to choose the solution carefully. For that, we need time.
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I encourage all Notepad++ plugin project to move out of SF, I can't, however, decide for them.
PluginManager is itself a plugin, it's not a build-in module.
So I respect PluginManager project owner's decision, even though I hope this project could move out of SF.
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-17
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The form was the only actively way we had for share and maintain updated translations file between versions... Any idea for some other ways for that?
An idea I had some time ago was also for a plugin like plugin manager, dedicated to trnslations. I, for myself, would happy to maintain, or help to, the repository needed by collecting the files and so on, but do not have the necessary time to study how to and then make the effectively pugin, that I suppose should have just some minor differences with the actual plugin manager... :)
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From the recent moving of the entire N++ project on GitHub, I suppose that, waiting for a final solution about N++ forums, we must, from now on :
Create discussion posts, in GitHub - Issues, with the label "Question"
Create help posts, in GitHub - Issues with, with the label "Help"
By this mean, these posts would,'t be seen as "real issue" posts :-)
Don, an important question too :
What's about all the numerous N++ posts, previously created on SourceForge forums ? Are they definitively lost ?!
Indeed, I suppose that people, who created replies to recent posts, would like to go on discussing with the authors of these help or discussion posts.
A side-effect, is that every link to any previous SF N++ post, that you have stored, for further reading, is, of course, unreachable :-(((
As for me, for instance, I still have a lot of SF forum links, to some python questions or scripts, just stored in a .txt file, for the time I'm ready to fully investigate the python language and plugins !! From now on, they seem all obsolete -(
Best regards,
guy038
Last edit: THEVENOT Guy 2015-06-20
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Edited on the 27th June 2015:
Notepad++ new community discussion has been built:
https://notepad-plus-plus.org/community/
SourceForge was a good place; unfortunately, sometimes good places don't last.
Recently SF hijacked its hosted projects to distribute their wrapped crapware:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/ for GIMP
and
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/black-mirror-sourceforge-has-now-siezed-nmap-audit-tool-project/ for Nmap.
and
https://blog.l0cal.com/2015/06/02/what-happened-to-sourceforge/ for VLC.
Obviously, the paid component per installation system is one of their important income generating scams. I would be fine with that, if they were the actual owners of the legitimate software. The real problem is, they are polluting these open source software installations for the purpose of filling their pockets by this scam, and worst of all, without even notifying the authors/creators of this software, while the creators are struggling against such parasitic software in order to keep their installers cleaner and safer.
Such a shameless policy should be condemned, and the Notepad++ project will move entirely out of SourceForge.
All the services for Notepad++ on SF will be closed in one week. I encourage people use GitHub's services instead:
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus
For bug report & feature request:
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issues
For patch tracker:
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pulls
For the support on live (we need you):
https://gitter.im/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus
I humbly request that Notepad++ users not encourage such scams, and educate others not to download any software from SourceForge. I request as well that the project owners on SourceForge move out of SourceForge, in order to preserve the purpose of the Open Source Community and encourage the works of true authors/creators.
Sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for your comprehension.
Don
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-27
Abandoning sf.net/npp will just leave behind the next victim to sf's scam.
I understand.
What happens with all the tickets (especially the open ones)?
What happens with the discussion boards?
Simon
Hi Simon,
They will be abandoned.
That's why the one week of delay to let people move them on GitHub.
Don
Hi Don,
I don't know if you already looked at
sf2githubscript but it should help migrating from SF to Github bugs tracker: https://github.com/ttencate/sf2githubMatt
you should update your website as your "contribute" link on your website still takes people to sourceforge to report bugs, request features etc instead of github.
Done!
Thank you for your reminding.
Hey Don,
If, and I do mean if, SourceForge decides to change and make everything "right" again, will you come back to SourceForge? Back when SF wasn't doing all this shady stuff, it was a really good place to distribute and download open source software.
Dylan.
Hi Dylan,
It depends on the "right" definition.
The "right" definition by SF is stop hijacking abandon projects, and do only the opt-in - that is project owners agree that SF bundle their software, and share the income with SF. Filezilla is a well known example.
My "right" definition is not even offering bundle option.
Users download bundled software from SF, then they discover their PC is full of crapware - I don't know what will be your reaction, but I'll blame to SF directly. So you see the idea, the software stays on SF could be the opt-in, corrupted, not by SF, but WITH SF.
Being project owner of Notepad++, I have no intention to associate Notepad++ with this dirty brand.
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-20
You might have problems with the project being overtaken by the account sf-editor1 like the other projects that leaves. Or tries to leave.
Here are the actions will be taken:
All the forums and trackers will be closed. I stay as admin to keep an eye on it.
SF can always take over the project and do their dirty stuffs, but they cannot shut down my voice outside (newsletter, mailing list, social network...).
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-20
Assuming this discussion board is also going away, it might be nice to have another type of discussion board like this. I understand there is the live chat (which is a very nice idea) but many posts on this forum take many hours or days for a response. A fear would be users start posting simple help related questions as issues, meaning every that would be posted in this help section gets opened as github issues which may drown out the real bugs.
I second that. We need a discussion board. Why not host a phpBB board on the main N++ site?
I do understand this problem. If there's any solution for that (on github), I will take it.
In the meanwhile, let's say a question could be an issue, and there'll be a "question" label on this issue.
What about an embedded http://www.nabble.com forum? We use it in the LanguageTool project, and it works OK.
Notepad++ has a lot of nice users who are always willing to help out if somebody has a problem, it would be a shame if that community were lost. Personally I have learned tons of useful things on this board here, and I am sure I was able to help other people in a few cases.
That gitter thing certainly has its uses, but with millions of Notepad++ users worldwide, there is a fair chance that questions (and also answers!) will get lost in all that noise.
Interesting... Could you provide any url of project on this forum?
I'm not 100 % sure I understand you. If you mean the LanguageTool forum, it is here: https://languagetool.org/forum/. It is a good example for what a Nabble forum looks like after being in use for some time.
Nabble itself is here: http://www.nabble.com. Just click on "Start a Free Forum" and you're done in a few minutes. If it doesn't work out for some reason, you can still abandon it and look for another solution.
Last edit: Jan Schreiber 2015-06-18
Thank you for the example you provide.
It looks easy and efficient. However I don't really like their look and feel. Other reasons that make me hesitate are the dependency and more authentication.
By dependency I mean if nabble.com change their policy (look at SF), then whole forums could be gone. By "more authentication" I mean for a developer who has the account of GitHub, he/she should create the second account for discussing in the forums.
I did some search for the forum solutions for github, and I found this one:
https://discuss.atom.io/
It looks sexy, it's independant (need to be deployed) by using GitHub, and it could be authentified via GitHub (to be checked).
I'm aware of the need of forums for the community, but I prefer to choose the solution carefully. For that, we need time.
Great news! To continue an earlier thread I started... what about the large number of plugins that are hosted on sourceforge?
https://sourceforge.net/p/notepad-plus/discussion/331753/thread/5190ce07/
I encourage all Notepad++ plugin project to move out of SF, I can't, however, decide for them.
PluginManager is itself a plugin, it's not a build-in module.
So I respect PluginManager project owner's decision, even though I hope this project could move out of SF.
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-17
I am open for providing my experience to help SF project owner to move out of SF.
Last edit: Don HO 2015-06-19
Don - I posted on the other thread just now, with regards to PM. I'm going to shoot you an email too :)
https://sourceforge.net/p/notepad-plus/discussion/331753/thread/5190ce07#a673
The form was the only actively way we had for share and maintain updated translations file between versions... Any idea for some other ways for that?
An idea I had some time ago was also for a plugin like plugin manager, dedicated to trnslations. I, for myself, would happy to maintain, or help to, the repository needed by collecting the files and so on, but do not have the necessary time to study how to and then make the effectively pugin, that I suppose should have just some minor differences with the actual plugin manager... :)
Hello Don and All,
From the recent moving of the entire N++ project on GitHub, I suppose that, waiting for a final solution about N++ forums, we must, from now on :
Create discussion posts, in GitHub - Issues, with the label "Question"
Create help posts, in GitHub - Issues with, with the label "Help"
By this mean, these posts would,'t be seen as "real issue" posts :-)
Don, an important question too :
What's about all the numerous N++ posts, previously created on SourceForge forums ? Are they definitively lost ?!
Indeed, I suppose that people, who created replies to recent posts, would like to go on discussing with the authors of these help or discussion posts.
A side-effect, is that every link to any previous SF N++ post, that you have stored, for further reading, is, of course, unreachable :-(((
As for me, for instance, I still have a lot of SF forum links, to some python questions or scripts, just stored in a .txt file, for the time I'm ready to fully investigate the python language and plugins !! From now on, they seem all obsolete -(
Best regards,
guy038
Last edit: THEVENOT Guy 2015-06-20