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#36 Function and usage Edit
I miss essential buttons at Notation edit: record- start and stop for listen from voice or instrument. Now can i only disable the tone recognition to stop add notes.
My wish to this program is a bar like a graphical guitar-tuner with the next to play or sing note as target. The actual played tone could be show with an arrow. A moving scale with a line for each note could give an idea, how wrong is the actual played tone.
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Hi there,
Thank You for feedback.
I'm assuming we are talking about desktop version.
Those buttons (menu entries actually) are inside Melody menu - attachment.
Also space key invokes play/stop actions.
You would like to have dedicated button for start/stop playing - similar to this one for "recording"?
A second part I'm not sure I understand. You would like to see entire scale and played note marked with arrow on it?
Hallo SeeLook,
thanks for your replay too!
Yes, i mean the desktop version.
Now i found start-stop recording in score - edit score, but it don't do the job.
If the pitch- detection is activated, it will write the note of each tone.
The listed scores should be fix to learn play these melody without 'lessons'.
The play / stop function is stored in melody, switchable with spacebar. It is ok.
In the most software is 'start', 'stop', 'record' etc. for direct access visible.
May a activate-able menu line below Settings, Level, Score be an idea?
To the more important point, Tuner-Bar:
Functional like a guitar-tuner for example Korg CA-50.
The design like volume level of input sound. In the middle green, right and left over yellow to red colored detune- info to the middle. A moving line or arrrow show the place of tone.
For eample: Tone E1 is to play, and the played tone is too high:
C D E F G
--I---I------II------I---I--
^
Tone D1 is to play, played tone is too low:
H C D E F
--I---I------II------I---I--
^
A non-linear (logarithmic or stepped?) scale for a better zoom in the middle.
JS.
Sorry, the font changes after posting... I try it again:
C_D____E____F_G
--I---I------II------I---I--
___^___
-C--D------E-----F--G-
--I---I------II------I---I--
-----------------^-------
Hallo again.
With play button I have to confess that I was about to add it more than once into 2.0.0 version but due to lack of clear conception how to fit it nicely it is still hanging around in thoughts.
I will try to materialize it soon.
And this what-is-playing bar seems to be quite interesting idea. Thank You for that.
We might utilize that tuner component:
but mark there expected note. So it can be useful either for situation You described - imported melody in main window or during exercises to display what note was played exactly and how far it was from demanded one.
However kind of new mode of main window has to be added - where notes are displayed but playing doesn't change them or adds new ones.
I cannot do this just now but I will write here when something will be to look at.
Last edit: SeeLook 2021-09-14
Hello!
That sounds great!
Have you printed this picture from my mind? ;-) Exactly, what i thought!
If i can help more, please tell me!
Give me some time, a few days maybe to materialize this idea(s).
I will post here when something to test will be ready, so it would be great if You may see it in action and give a feedback.
It will be an honor to me to test the new version! I will waiting for and take a look at here.
What is the concept, what how much wrong played tone is accepted for an a bit detuned instrument or voice? Have you found a golden middle between audible acceptable and unreachable?
I thought about a adjustable level: beginner - advanced - professional, but, may be, it would teach to accept too much wrong tones as good.
Hi,
I'm sorry for a big delay - tough times.
Initial implementation of this bar I put here:
Mac & Win installers (actually auto build system did)
(but no Linux AppImage yet - this build system has some problem)
So You might see it in action - despite there is no visual option to switch it off (back to normal function)
The question is - do we really need there info about intonation (this detune thing).
There is a logic in that and due to intonation topic for guitar (unattended bending of pressed string) is quite advanced Nootka is just trying to be kind for an user - usually a beginner with little bit out-of-tuned instrument :-)
However, in previous versions (1.4.*) there was an option to configure a strictness of tuning check:
but it is hidden for now. I will revert it in some occasion.
Last edit: SeeLook 2021-10-04
Now all is set - there is the option in score menu.
And all installers (Lin, Mac, Win) are ready for testing.
But I may not say I like the option name and its description, so maybe something more catchy will come up...
Last edit: SeeLook 2021-10-05
Hallo SeeLook,
I'd just take a look and ... something happens! A good thing will take its time.
I try linux AppImage v 2.0.3-devel. My first thougt: Where is the new tuner- bar?
After some try's and adjustments i found it. In steps of complete Notes shows the detection.
Did I understand right: In Mac and Win is the graphical detuner running, but made trouble in linux?
Is it able to get half, quarter or eighth steps between the scores from the algorithm and move an arrow with it above or below the score-letter?
An good idea to use complete wide of the window to place the tone range.
With Instrument e-guitar it works well. Only the deep E0 is not shown.
While with 'other instrument' is going something wrong with the position of letter from detected score. May be the possible range is too big or not defined.
If edit score and pitch detection is active, it don't record the scores like in the previous version. It would be nice to get it back.
When the detection is running in play- mode and the expected score is played should be the next one as new target.
The reactivation of strictness of tuning check will be good.
It will become a really nice!
JS.
If the window is too small for the played score:
let the letter print at the most right or rather most left side and change the last vertical lines to points an an arrow.
[E0] < ... I I I I I [h2] I I I I
I I I I I I [A1] I I I I I I ...> [g3]
Jack:
If in the setting Jack is active or not - Version 2.0.2 and 2.0.3-devel working only, if jack is not active!
I try it with 192 kHz and 96 kHz samplefrequence. Because some programs working only 'til 96 kHz. Are special settings necessary?
Hi JS,
Thank You a lot for feedback on those different realms. I really appreciate it.
Do not hesitate if You will find something more.
I will separate those different topics that were picked up above:
AppImage
Those troubles with preparation are gone, so either Mac bundle or Win installer or AppImage have the same functionality and should work the same way. However, users reported me that AppImage crashes occasionally on newest Ubuntu derivatives (It is prepared under Ubuntu 16:04, so maybe there is some libraries mismatch). I'm on Arch Linux and never met any trouble with Nootka AppImage. But please, let me now if You will catch something.
JACK
Nootka can handle any JACK configuration, so hi res sample rate couldn't be a problem. But I didn't test frequencies above 48 kHz much. Also smallest buffer size (below 128) can make the app volatile - but this depends mostly on system capacity (CPU).
When JACK switch in Nootka is on but JACK is not running "bare" ALSA is used and proper device has to be selected then.
I just realized, I didn't test Nootka AppImage with JACK - I tested "native" builds - I will see into this.
Window size and note names
Indeed, I didn't come to that, so some conditions has to added to make this new feature responsive for different window sizes.
Yep, seems we must have two options for all that:
... to be continued :-)
"...must have two options for all that"
in the menu is it available at '[x] Edit score' active or not.
but internal in the script is it a whole new ballgame.
... find a catchy name for the child ... is not my best skill. - At the moment i have no idea. Later may be one.
JS