noffle-users

[Noffle-users] newsq

[Dan J. <ji...@dm...>]

Dan> P.S. maybe some 'newsq' type command should be provided.

And remember to make it sort by date, oldest first,
Indeed, cannibalize my http://jidanni.org/comp/ppp/newsqlr
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[Noffle-users] don't tell noffle users to filter spam with header checks

[Dan J. <ji...@dm...>]

I had an argument in gmane.discuss [on gmane.org] about that telling
us to scan headers for crosspostings to the spam.detected pseudo-group
was not good enough for us noffle users who don't have the time to do
that on a short phone call.  I asked him to provide an NNTP stream
where spam article numbers were already removed.  However, as those
guys are all on high speed connections, they don't notice problems
like that.
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Re: [Noffle-users] noffle: want some servers post-only, some rea

[Dan J. <ji...@dm...>]

Jim> Currently Noffle won't work in the way you want. Internally it will only get
Jim> news for a particular group from one server, and will only post news to that
Jim> group to the server from which it gets the group. In the case of crossposted
Jim> articles, it will post once to each server which supplies a group in the list
Jim> of those posted to.

ok, i'm not sure the docs say what happens when two servers have the
same group. i assume it gets the first.

you see i read from a readonly local taiwan server, and post from a
german server... and also gmane.org.

Jim> I have notions of moving Noffle in the direction you want, where all groups are
Jim> retrieved from all servers that hold them.

but i dont want to waste time checking the german server when i only
use it for posting

Jim> In this case, what should happen to posts to moderated groups? If you post to
Jim> every server that carries that group, will the moderator be bombarded with
Jim> multiple copies of the post, and if so does it matter?

well, some config items might be
 --try to post on each server or just quit on first sucess
 --which servers are readonly and which are postonly

>> P.S. maybe some 'newsq' type command should be provided.

Jim> Yes, this should be trivial to do - have to be an admin-only command. I'll take
Jim> a look.

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Re: [Noffle-users] noffle: want some servers post-only, some read-only

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 28-Jan-2003 Mirko Liss wrote:
>> P.S. maybe some 'newsq' type command should be provided.
> 
> I'll ask Tony Houghton how to add noffle support to newsq.

I'd not come across newsq before. I presume (having had a little look) that
since Noffle supports both Supercedes headers and Cancel control messages
adding support it would be a reasonably straightforward thing to do.

That being said, I've just about finished adding a command to list the contents
of the outgoing posts list (message ID and target server - I wonder if I
should list, say, Subject/From/Newsgroups as well). And cancelling a message
will remove it from the outbound queue as well as the article database.

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Re: [Noffle-users] noffle: want some servers post-only, some read-only

[Mirko L. <mir...@we...>]

Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Upon first look, maybe the ordering of the servers in the config file
> matters, and maybe any hoodwinking I need to do could be achieved thru
> symlinks in /var/spool/noffle/outgoing/ maybe... maybe not.

Yes, the ordering of servers in noffle.conf is very important.

If you symlink outgoing/server1 with outgoing/server2, postings
for either server1 or server2 will be sent to server1 only,
and never to server2.

When posting a crossposted article, that would have been sent
to server1 AND server2, you'll get a bogus error message
saying "Posting failed.". In online mode, this posting won't
be delivered immediately, but will be queued as if noffle
was in offline mode. At the next call of 'noffle --fetch', it
will be posted to server1.

> P.S. maybe some 'newsq' type command should be provided.

I'll ask Tony Houghton how to add noffle support to newsq.


regards,

Mirko

Re: [Noffle-users] noffle: want some servers post-only, some rea

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 28-Jan-2003 Dan Jacobson wrote:
> 2. This part of the configuration file is too inflexible,
> 
>    # Remote news server. Format: <hostname>[:<port>] [<user> <pass>]
>    # (<user> and <pass> only for servers with authentication,
>    # the password may not contain white-spaces)
> 
> I have some servers that I use only for posting, others only for reading!
> Also, of the posting ones, one hopes the message can be either just
> posted to the first successful connection, or, if the user prefers,
> posted to each connection. (speed vs. propagation)

Currently Noffle won't work in the way you want. Internally it will only get
news for a particular group from one server, and will only post news to that
group to the server from which it gets the group. In the case of crossposted
articles, it will post once to each server which supplies a group in the list
of those posted to.

I have notions of moving Noffle in the direction you want, where all groups are
retrieved from all servers that hold them.

In this case, what should happen to posts to moderated groups? If you post to
every server that carries that group, will the moderator be bombarded with
multiple copies of the post, and if so does it matter?

> P.S. maybe some 'newsq' type command should be provided.

Yes, this should be trivial to do - have to be an admin-only command. I'll take
a look.

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Re: [Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 27-Jan-2003 Miernik wrote:
> That is not the timeout of noffle, but a 10 second receive timeout at
> the upstream server, which I can't change. 

Oh, I see. I misunderstood you. Sorry.

>> You can't force it not to switch to offline mode. Noffle take the view that
>> if the connection failed, something is pretty seriously wrong with your
>> network connection or the server, and it should take action to ensure it
>> doesn't keep pointlessly retrying. So it resets itself back to a mode
>> where user action is required to initiate more network activity.
> 
> But here the _only_ thing that was wrong, was that the upstream server
> disconnected me because of it's 10 second receive timeout.  There is
> nothing more wrong. 
> 
> Retrying isn't pointless, because at the next, or second next try it
> will manage to transmitt packets to the upstream server without a 10
> second gap. The timeout here happens only during the initial connection,
> after that I can have gaps of more than 10 seconds without the upstream
> server timeouting.

That makes sense. I think what we need here is for Noffle to have a mechanism
for automatically retrying operations that fail due to timeout or connection
lost issues up to some configurable number of times before deciding to sound
the alarms. I'll add to the TODO....

>> I'll put it on the TODO list, but it's not that easy to do given Noffle's
>> present structure.

*Cough* As Mirko noted, when I got to the TODO list, exactly that item was
already there.

I'm not going to start handing round TODO items to folk, but if anybody feels
like having a crack at some of them, patches are always welcome. :-) A post 
stating intent to the noffle-devel list might be a good idea first, to
prevent duplicated effort.

I've got a small paper to write and a frame buffer driver to port to 2.5,
so I'm going to be a bit busy on other matters for a while.

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Re: [Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode on "Server connection failed or newsbase problem. Leaving online mode."?

[Miernik <mi...@ct...>]

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:14:31PM +0100, Mirko Liss wrote:
> I haven't used tin in ages, so I don't know if it can score articles.
> My newsreader scores articles according to the value of the status line.
> Noffle adds a status header line to each article, called
> 'X-NOFFLE-Status:'. It's values are 'INTERESTING', 'NOT_DOWNLOADED',
> 'RETRIEVING_FAILED' or any combination, including an empty value.

Unfortunately tin cannot yet score on arbitrary headers (it's on the
TODO list). Which newsreader are you using?
=20
> I don't think it's desirable to store the fully downloaded article under
> a new number within the group, because that would break newsreaders that
> are selecting articles by their Message-Id.

I don't understand what you mean by "number".  Did you think of changing
the Message-ID of articles which have downloaded bodies? That would work
in tin, as it can score on Message-ID, but would break selecting
articles from tin menus indeed :( I think it would be a bad idea, as
it's good to know the original Message-ID, useful if you want to send
someone link to an article, for example a link to Google where you can
select articles by Message-ID.=20

I'll look if there are some dirty patches for arbitrary headers scoring
in tin, maybe hack one myself it there aren't. Or change newsreader...

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[Noffle-users] noffle: want some servers post-only, some read-only

[Dan J. <ji...@dm...>]

Package: noffle
Version: 1.0.1-1
Severity: wishlist
Tags: upstream

1. good news, noffle-users can be read on gmane.network.noffle.user on
   gmane.org

2. This part of the configuration file is too inflexible,

   # Remote news server. Format: <hostname>[:<port>] [<user> <pass>]
   # (<user> and <pass> only for servers with authentication,
   # the password may not contain white-spaces)

I have some servers that I use only for posting, others only for reading!
Also, of the posting ones, one hopes the message can be either just
posted to the first successful connection, or, if the user prefers,
posted to each connection. (speed vs. propagation)

Upon first look, maybe the ordering of the servers in the config file
matters, and maybe any hoodwinking I need to do could be achieved thru
symlinks in /var/spool/noffle/outgoing/ maybe... maybe not.

P.S. maybe some 'newsq' type command should be provided.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux debian 2.4.19-k7 #1 Sun Oct 6 20:29:56 EST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5

Versions of packages noffle depends on:
ii  debconf                       1.2.10     Debian configuration management sy
ii  exim [mail-transport-agent]   3.36-3     An MTA (Mail Transport Agent)
ii  libc6                         2.3.1-9    GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libgdbmg1                     1.7.3-27.1 GNU dbm database routines (runtime

-- debconf information:
* noffle/server: news.sinica.edu.tw
* noffle/fetchmode: via dialup
* noffle/default-expire: 9999999
* noffle/maxfetch: 300
  noffle/port: 119

Re: [Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode on "Server connection failed or newsbase problem. Leaving online mode."?

[Mirko L. <mir...@we...>]

Miernik wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 01:57:19PM +0100, Mirko Liss wrote:
>> What about asking the admin of the remote server to change the timeout?
>> I suppose that's just necessary to connect reliably over your GPRS line.
> 
> I am probably the only one connecting to this server over GPRS, so I
> doubt the admin will do that for me. 

Well, you won't know it for sure before you asked. Usenet via high
latency connections  is not as uncommon as you might think.

> Is there any way to make it visible in the thread listing in rtin which
> article have bodies in noffle cache?

I haven't used tin in ages, so I don't know if it can score articles.
My newsreader scores articles according to the value of the status line.
Noffle adds a status header line to each article, called
'X-NOFFLE-Status:'. It's values are 'INTERESTING', 'NOT_DOWNLOADED',
'RETRIEVING_FAILED' or any combination, including an empty value.

I don't think it's desirable to store the fully downloaded article under
a new number within the group, because that would break newsreaders that
are selecting articles by their Message-Id.


regards,

Mirko

Re: [Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode on "Server connection failed or newsbase problem. Leaving online mode."?

[Miernik <mi...@ct...>]

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 01:57:19PM +0100, Mirko Liss wrote:
> > Jan 27 01:16:12 tarnica noffle[5190]: [R] 503 Timeout after 10 seconds,=
 closing connection.
>=20
> It's the remote server that closes your connection after 10 seconds.
> What about asking the admin of the remote server to change the timeout?
> I suppose that's just necessary to connect reliably over your GPRS line.

I am probably the only one connecting to this server over GPRS, so I
doubt the admin will do that for me.=20

> > How can I force it NOT to switch to offline mode in such cases?=20
>=20
> You can always patch noffle/src/server.c . Just delete the line
>         Online_set( FALSE );
> in the procedures retrieveArt() and checkNewArts().

I will try that, thanks.=20

> What about using noffle preferably in offline mode? The fast download
> via 'noffle --fetch' is the main advantage of noffle.

I use rtin to access noffle. The method of first selecting articles and
then downloading the selected ones with noffle --fetch would be very
good, if there was some way to see in the tin newsreader which articles
are fetched and present in noffle and which not.=20

Otherwise your method doesn't have much sense for me, because after
selecting for example 30 articles from different goups which I thought
might be interesiting, and after noffle downloaded them in a --fetch
session, I have to go over all the groups and threads in tin to find
which articles where the ones downloaded (and probably selecting by
mistake a couple of other articles, not selected in my previous visit in
tin).=20

Is there any way to make it visible in the thread listing in rtin which
article have bodies in noffle cache?

cheers,=20

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Re: [Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode on "Server connection failed or newsbase problem. Leaving online mode."?

[Mirko L. <mir...@we...>]

Miernik wrote:
> I use a very slow GPRS connection, 6000 bps, were latencies of 5-10
> seconds are common. I often get this error in noffle:
[..]

> Jan 27 01:16:12 tarnica noffle[5190]: [R] 503 Timeout after 10 seconds, closing connection.

It's the remote server that closes your connection after 10 seconds.
What about asking the admin of the remote server to change the timeout?
I suppose that's just necessary to connect reliably over your GPRS line.

> How can I force it NOT to switch to offline mode in such cases? 

You can always patch noffle/src/server.c . Just delete the line
        Online_set( FALSE );
in the procedures retrieveArt() and checkNewArts().

> I would like it to allow me to retry fetching that post immidiately,
> without having to manualy switch it to online mode first. 

I don't understand that. 'noffle --fetch' works great in offline mode.

> BTW: it would also be great to make noffle not FIN the connection to the
> news server after fetching each post, but to remain connected in case I
> want to fetch any more messages in the next couple of minutes.

This is already on the TODO list, although I don't know who has been
assigned to implement it.

What about using noffle preferably in offline mode? The fast download
via 'noffle --fetch' is the main advantage of noffle.


regards,

Mirko

Re: [Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode on "Server connection failed or newsbase problem. Leaving online mode."?

[Miernik <mi...@ct...>]

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:57:55PM -0000, Jim Hague wrote:
> > Jan 27 01:16:12 tarnica noffle[5190]: [R] 503 Timeout after 10 seconds,
> > closing connection.
>=20
> By default Noffle will time out the connection if it has to wait more tha=
n 30s
> for the initial connection to complete or for a reply to a command to be
> received.
>=20
> You can change this timeout by setting the connect-timeout config file
> parameter. The manual page is not as clear as it should be; this timeout
> applies to more than just the initial connection.

I have:
connect-timeout 300

That is not the timeout of noffle, but a 10 second receive timeout at
the upstream server, which I can't change.=20

> You can't force it not to switch to offline mode. Noffle take the view th=
at if
> the connection failed, something is pretty seriously wrong with your netw=
ork
> connection or the server, and it should take action to ensure it doesn't =
keep
> pointlessly retrying. So it resets itself back to a mode where user actio=
n is
> required to initiate more network activity.

But here the _only_ thing that was wrong, was that the upstream server
disconnected me because of it's 10 second receive timeout.  There is
nothing more wrong.=20

Retrying isn't pointless, because at the next, or second next try it
will manage to transmitt packets to the upstream server without a 10
second gap. The timeout here happens only during the initial connection,
after that I can have gaps of more than 10 seconds without the upstream
server timeouting.=20

When I take action manually, there is nothing more I do than issue
noffle -n as root and try fetching the article again. But that is very
annoying having to issue noffle -n after each timeout (which happens on
roughly 50% of article fetching tries).=20

> It would also save the 'MODE READER' transaction and re-authenticating if=
 the
> upstream server required authenticating.
>=20
> I'll put it on the TODO list, but it's not that easy to do given Noffle's
> present structure.

Thanks!=20

P.S. You dont have to send messages both to the list and to me, it's
enough to send it to the list, I get it anyway.=20

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Re: [Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode on "Server connection failed or newsbase problem. Leaving online mode."?

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 27-Jan-2003 Miernik wrote:
> I use a very slow GPRS connection, 6000 bps, were latencies of 5-10
> seconds are common. I often get this error in noffle:
> 
> [...]
> Jan 27 01:16:12 tarnica noffle[5190]: [R] 503 Timeout after 10 seconds,
> closing connection.

By default Noffle will time out the connection if it has to wait more than 30s
for the initial connection to complete or for a reply to a command to be
received.

You can change this timeout by setting the connect-timeout config file
parameter. The manual page is not as clear as it should be; this timeout
applies to more than just the initial connection.

In view of your large latencies, can I suggest you try setting connect-timeout
to, say, 120?

> [...]
> Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: Server connection failed or newsbase
> problem. Leaving online mode.
> Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: NOFFLE is now offline
> 
> How can I force it NOT to switch to offline mode in such cases? 
> I would like it to allow me to retry fetching that post immidiately,
> without having to manualy switch it to online mode first. 

You can't force it not to switch to offline mode. Noffle take the view that if
the connection failed, something is pretty seriously wrong with your network
connection or the server, and it should take action to ensure it doesn't keep
pointlessly retrying. So it resets itself back to a mode where user action is
required to initiate more network activity.

> BTW: it would also be great to make noffle not FIN the connection to the
> news server after fetching each post, but to remain connected in case I
> want to fetch any more messages in the next couple of minutes. It might
> close the connection if I do not fetch any post within 10 minutes. That
> would save much SYN - SYN ACK - ACK - FIN - FIN ACK packets.

It would also save the 'MODE READER' transaction and re-authenticating if the
upstream server required authenticating.

I'll put it on the TODO list, but it's not that easy to do given Noffle's
present structure.

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[Noffle-users] how to make noffle NOT switch to offline mode on "Server connection failed or newsbase problem. Leaving online mode."?

[Miernik <mi...@ct...>]

I use a very slow GPRS connection, 6000 bps, were latencies of 5-10
seconds are common. I often get this error in noffle:

Jan 27 01:15:46 tarnica noffle[5190]: [R] ARTICLE 121
Jan 27 01:15:46 tarnica noffle[5190]: [S] 220 121 <Pine.LNX.4.51.0301220246=
330.31093@localhost.localdomain> Article
Jan 27 01:15:50 tarnica noffle[5190]: [R] 200 main.gmane.org InterNetNews N=
NRP server INN 2.3.2 ready (posting ok).
Jan 27 01:15:50 tarnica noffle[5190]: Connected to 80.91.224.249:119
Jan 27 01:15:50 tarnica noffle[5190]: [S] MODE READER
Jan 27 01:15:50 tarnica noffle[5190]: [S FLUSH]
Jan 27 01:16:12 tarnica noffle[5190]: [R] 503 Timeout after 10 seconds, clo=
sing connection.
Jan 27 01:16:12 tarnica noffle[5190]: [S] ARTICLE <Pine.LNX.4.51.0301220246=
330.31093@localhost.localdomain>
Jan 27 01:16:12 tarnica noffle[5190]: [S FLUSH]
Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: Connection to remote server lost (art=
icle numbers could be inconsistent)
Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: Retrieving of <Pine.LNX.4.51.03012202=
46330.31093@localhost.localdomain> failed: [no status available]
Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: [S] QUIT
Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: [S FLUSH]
Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: Connection to remote server lost (art=
icle numbers could be inconsistent)
Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: Server connection failed or newsbase =
problem. Leaving online mode.
Jan 27 01:16:16 tarnica noffle[5190]: NOFFLE is now offline

How can I force it NOT to switch to offline mode in such cases?=20
I would like it to allow me to retry fetching that post immidiately,
without having to manualy switch it to online mode first.=20

BTW: it would also be great to make noffle not FIN the connection to the
news server after fetching each post, but to remain connected in case I
want to fetch any more messages in the next couple of minutes. It might
close the connection if I do not fetch any post within 10 minutes. That
would save much SYN - SYN ACK - ACK - FIN - FIN ACK packets.=20

thanks,=20

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[Noffle-users] many switches ignore more than one arg without error messages

[Dan J. <ji...@dm...>]

>>>>> "M" == Martin Godisch <ma...@go...> writes:

M> Hi,
M> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 08:33:16 +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:

>> Bug: -D and many other switches ignore more than one arg without error
>> messages even.

M> Please talk to the upstream maintainer, Jim Hague <jim...@ac...>,
M> or to the Noffle mailing list <nof...@li...> if
M> you want more than one argument to be accepted.

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Re: [Noffle-users] how to configure xinetd

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 30-Dec-2002 Podlewski wrote:
> I'm not very familiar with xinetd and don't know how to configure noffle to 
> work properly as a server.
> It works properly (downloads messages etc.), but I can't connect with it 
> using news client (KNode). Can anyone send me part of the xinetd.conf which 
> configures news service with noffle?

(Sorry this reply is so late - I'm just back from a Christmas break)

The RedHat package creates a file /etc/xinetd.d/noffle which contains this:

service nntp
{
        disable         = yes
        socket_type     = stream
        protocol        = tcp
        wait            = no
        user            = news
        group           = news
        only_from       = 127.0.0.1
        server          = /usr/bin/noffle
        server_args     = -r
} 

You'll note that this restricts access to connections from localhost.

You can check if xinetd is working ok by 

$ telnet localhost nntp

If you get anything other than something like

Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 NNTP server NOFFLE 1.1.2

then xinetd isn't properly set up.


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[Noffle-users] how to configure xinetd

[(P. P. <mic...@po...>]

Hi,
I'm not very familiar with xinetd and don't know how to configure noffl=
e to=20
work properly as a server.
It works properly (downloads messages etc.), but I can't connect with i=
t=20
using news client (KNode). Can anyone send me part of the xinetd.conf w=
hich=20
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Re: [Noffle-users] Big Problems with noffle 1.1.2 ...

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 30-Sep-2002 Mirko Liss wrote:
> Do we need to add uname(022) to src/noffle.c:initNoffle(), Jim?
> I suppose SuSE 8.0 is just a hostile environment for any 
> self-compiled software.

Thanks for looking into that, Mirko. I had only limited success reading my
email last week.

I've not tried SuSE 8.0. I assume that they have some pretty hostile default
umask. Out of interest, what exactly is it?

From what you said, it seems that the permissions on the /var/spool/noffle
directory were the problem. We don't create that directory inside Noffle,
though we do create subdirectories. So if I understand you right, we need to
look at the RPM to get the permissions right creating /var/spool/noffle *and*
reset the umask when creating subdirectories.

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Re: [Noffle-users] Big Problems with noffle 1.1.2 ...

[Mirko L. <mir...@we...>]

Hi Jim,

I haven't subscribed to noffle-users before, but Thorsten told me
about his problems at news://de.comm.software.newsserver.

Thorsten Grothe wrote:
> In my ip-up.local I added a line:
> 
> /usr/bin/noffle --online
> /usr/bin/noffle --fetch

Add
    umask 022

to the beginning of ip-up.local and ip-down.local.
And please consider expressing SuSE proper admiration concerning their
braindead distribution.

The files in /var/spool/noffle are corrupted. su root and type:
    chmod u+w,a+r /var/spool/noffle
    rm /var/spool/noffle/lock/fetch

You may need to refetch the grouplist as well: 
    noffle --offline; noffle --query groups

> Apr 18 10:31:34 linux fetchnews[2404]: can't stat /var/spool/news/leaf.node/groupinfo: No such file or directory

Take a look at the file permissions in /var/spool/news/*. Leafnode may
have the same problem. Or you may have to get rid of reiserfs. Please
consider telling Matthias Andree about it, once you know what's up.

> Jul 26 01:44:28 tgrothe noffle[862]: Cannot open /var/spool/noffle/lock/global (Permission denied)
> Jul 26 01:44:28 tgrothe noffle[862]: Could not get write lock

see above

> Jul 26 02:00:34 tgrothe noffle[952]: Received SIGSEGV. Please submit a bug report

This is another bug, that may or may not be related to the problem of
unusable inherited permissions.

> Aug  7 17:43:32 tgrothe noffle[2378]: Retrieving of <aij61s$14j6h6$1...@ID...> failed: 220 0 article <3d4d09ae$0$14258$3b2...@ac...>
> Aug  7 17:43:37 tgrothe noffle[2378]: Invalid server status: article <aij61s$14j6h6$1...@ID...>

Uh? What's that?

> Aug 13 23:30:00 tgrothe noffle[928]: Username rejected. Server stat: 480 Authentication required - see http://news.fu-berlin.de/ for registration.

Obvious.

> Aug 22 00:23:08 tgrothe noffle[16835]: Retrieving of <kde...@wp...> failed: 430 No such article

Expired or cancelled article. Happens all the time, not a bug.

> Aug 22 00:25:56 tgrothe noffle[15337]: Trying to store already retrieved article '<ak0j4l$934$05$1...@ne...>'

> Aug 31 11:50:21 tgrothe noffle[1905]: Posting of <200...@ar...> failed: 441 435 Duplicate <200...@ar...>

The aforementioned problem. No write permissions for outgoing/ files.


Do we need to add uname(022) to src/noffle.c:initNoffle(), Jim?
I suppose SuSE 8.0 is just a hostile environment for any 
self-compiled software.


regards,

Mirko

Re: [Noffle-users] Big Problems with noffle 1.1.2 ...

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 26-Sep-2002 Thorsten Grothe wrote:
> I posted to a newsgroup let's say de.test. Next time I was online I got
> no error messages in /var/log/messages nor in var/news/news.er,
> news.crit. etc.
> 
> I got a mail from the reflector that the posting has arrived the group.
> 
> But:
> 
> 
> I was not able to get this posting (even a few days later) going online
> with noffle. I tried it out with serveral newsreaders always the same
> result: I could not find my postings.

Sorry for not getting back to you before. Work has been a bit full pressure
recently.

Was noffle in 'online' mode when the article was posted? Online mode isn't
heavily used by the Noffle community, and so a bug there might not have shown
up before.

Regardless of whether it was in 'online' or not, can you try the test again
with some logging? Do this:

        Run 'noffle --fetch'.
        Add 'log all' to /etc/noffle.conf
        Post to de.test
        Run 'noffle --fetch'
        Remove log line from /etc/noffle.conf

and mail me the resulting log. I'll see if I can see anything wrong.

I'm on holiday this coming week, but will try to check my mail.

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[Noffle-users] Big Problems with noffle 1.1.2 ...

[Thorsten G. <tho...@ar...>]

Hi all,

I got big problems with the noffle newsserver:

I posted to a newsgroup let's say de.test. Next time I was online I got
no error messages in /var/log/messages nor in var/news/news.er,
news.crit. etc.

I got a mail from the reflector that the posting has arrived the group.

But:


I was not able to get this posting (even a few days later) going online
with noffle. I tried it out with serveral newsreaders always the same
result: I could not find my postings.

I reinstalled noffle - but that does not effect anything. I installed
leafnode and tried the same again and that worked without problems.

I like the features of noffle very much (thread mode, filters and
quasi online mode) so I would like to use it.

Can anyone help me?


Regards

Thorsten

-- 
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Julius-Vogel-Straße 36
44149 Dortmund
Tel.: 0231-5310521

Re: [Noffle-users] Multiple servers for one group

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 09-Aug-2002 David Findlay wrote:
> Is it possible to set noffle to use all it's servers on all groups, instead
> of assigning one group to one server, and then combine articles from all 
> servers?

Sorry, not at present.

We'd need to redo Noffle's group storage a bit to permit multiple 'remote next
message' values to be stored for each group, and we've not got round to it.

FWIW, Leafnode does do this.

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[Noffle-users] Multiple servers for one group

[David F. <da...@da...>]

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[Noffle-users] auto-subscribe doesn't appear to be working

[Mike W. <md...@bi...>]

I upgraded to NOFFLE 1.1.2 (built from CVS) last week, and now the
auto-subscribe functionality appears to be broken.  In /etc/noffle/conf, I
have:

    auto-subscribe yes
    auto-subscribe-mode full

Here's a sample NNTP dialog:

    $ nc 0 nntp
    200 NNTP server NOFFLE 1.1.2
    GROUP alt.skiing
    211 0 0 0 alt.skiing selected
    LIST ACTIVE alt.skiing
    215 Groups
    alt.skiing 1233 1234 y
    .
    HEAD 1233
    423 No such article number
    HEAD 1234
    423 No such article number
    QUIT

I was expecting the "221" response to return article numbers > 0.  And, I
was expecting to be able to see the "dummy" articles, at least.

It used to work okay with v1.0.1.  Is this a bug?

-- 
cheers, Mike