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[Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS

[Bertrand A. <ar...@xm...>]

Hi All,
I 'm new to ngspice and I'd like to use it with ADMS in order to 
implement Verilog-AMS models (mostly HICUM and PSP).
I'm currently working on cygwin, (I'd like to use Linux, but other 
software which I need to interface to ngspice are only available on 
windows up to now)

I'm having some compilation issues explained below:
a) when I compile ngspice-rework-17 on Cygwin + external Mingw (see 
INSTALL file comments) the executable is OK. But no "rawfile" is 
produced, and the batch mode does not work. Since this is exactly the 
feature which I need, I had to switch to other comilation options.
b) Whatever I tried, the compilation on Cygwin + internal mingw 
(-mno-cygwin) option produces some errors (shown at the end of this 
message).
    - I have tried the default procedure which didn't worked
    - I have tried to reuse the config.h from option (a) but didn't worked
    - I have been aware of the fact that in some cases, the linker 
strips off the -mno-cygwin option, thus creating errors at link time. 
Therefore I have tried to make a wraper for gcc which forces the option 
-mno-cygwin (this solves some compilation issues for other softwares, eg 
ADMS), but didn't worked with ngspice.
c) I have tried to compile directly on cygwin but didn't worked as well, 
but I can't really confirm since I didn't spent much time on it: my 
final goal is option b (I would like to get rid of cygwin1.dll)

I'm running out of ideas, if somebody can help, I would strongly appreciate.
Basically any workaround should be helpfull, too (I do not neccesarly 
need to have option b working), what I need is to be able to run ngspice 
in batch mode and produce a rawfile.
Note that I need to get SPICE3 compatibility, I can't play on the INPUT 
files (eg adding .save statements), since my input files are produced 
automatically by  proprietary software  I use (eg, Agilent ICCAP for 
parameter extraction).

Many thanks in advance,
Bertrand

errors with Option b (CFLAGS="-mno-cygwin -H"):
-----------------------------------------------------
....
///// MORE WARNINGS HERE /////
....
ngspice.c:42: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
Multiple include guards may be useful for:
../src/include/suffix.h
../src/misc/stringutil.h
/usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/getopt.h
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/syslimits.h
. ../config.h
. /usr/include/w32api/windows.h
.. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stdarg.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/windef.h
... /usr/include/w32api/winnt.h
.... /usr/include/w32api/winerror.h
.... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/string.h
..... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/_mingw.h
..... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.... /usr/include/w32api/basetsd.h
.... /usr/include/w32api/pshpack4.h
.... /usr/include/w32api/poppack.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/wincon.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/winbase.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/wingdi.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/winuser.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/winnls.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/winver.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/winnetwk.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/winreg.h
.. /usr/include/w32api/winsvc.h
. /usr/include/w32api/windowsx.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/stdio.h
.. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/sys/types.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/stdlib.h
.. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/assert.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/errno.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/dirent.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/io.h
... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/stdint.h
.... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/signal.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/ctype.h
.. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
. ../src/include/bool.h
winmain.c: In function `MakeArgcArgv':
winmain.c:594: warning: `pC2' might be used uninitialized in this function
Multiple include guards may be useful for:
../config.h
. ../src/include/ngspice.h
.. ../config.h
.. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/limits.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/syslimits.h
.... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/limits.h
..... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/limits.h
...... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/_mingw.h
.. ../src/include/memory.h
... ../src/misc/stringutil.h
.... ../config.h
.. ../src/include/defines.h
.. ../src/include/macros.h
.. ../src/include/bool.h
.. ../src/include/complex.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/math.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/stdio.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stdarg.h
... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/sys/types.h
.... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/stdlib.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/string.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/ctype.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/unistd.h
... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/io.h
.... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/stdint.h
..... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/process.h
... /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/getopt.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/dirent.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/sys/timeb.h
.. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/time.h
... /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/stddef.h
.. ../src/include/wstdio.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/setjmp.h
. /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/signal.h
. ../src/include/iferrmsg.h
. ../src/include/ftedefs.h
.. ../src/include/fteparse.h
... ../src/include/cpstd.h
.... ../src/include/wordlist.h
... ../src/include/dvec.h
.... ../src/include/grid.h
... ../src/include/plot.h
... ../src/include/pnode.h
.. ../src/include/fteinp.h
... ../src/include/inpdefs.h
.... ../src/include/ifsim.h
.... ../src/include/gendefs.h
.... ../src/include/inpptree.h
.. ../src/include/fteext.h
... ../config.h
... ../src/include/cpdefs.h
.... ../src/include/cpextern.h
... ../src/include/ftedefs.h
. ../src/include/devdefs.h
.. ../src/include/optdefs.h
.. ../src/include/cktdefs.h
... ../src/include/smpdefs.h
... ../src/include/acdefs.h
.... ../src/include/jobdefs.h
... ../src/include/trcvdefs.h
.... ../src/include/tskdefs.h
... ../src/include/sen2defs.h
... ../src/include/pzdefs.h
... ../src/include/noisedef.h
. spicelib/devices/dev.h
. spicelib/analysis/analysis.h
. misc/ivars.h
. misc/getopt.h
. frontend/resource.h
. frontend/variable.h
. frontend/display.h
.. ../src/include/ftedev.h
.. ../src/include/fteinput.h
... ../src/include/graph.h
. frontend/signal_handler.h
main.c: In function `read_initialisation_file':
main.c:565: warning: unused variable `fp'
Multiple include guards may be useful for:
../src/include/inpptree.h
../src/misc/stringutil.h
/usr/i686-pc-mingw32/include/getopt.h
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include/syslimits.h
maths/cmaths/libcmaths.a(cmath2.o)(.text+0xa83): In function `cx_rnd':
/home/Administrateur/devel/ngspice/ng-spice-rework-17/src/maths/cmaths/cmath2.c:228: 
undefined reference to `_random'
maths/cmaths/libcmaths.a(cmath2.o)(.text+0xb47):/home/Administrateur/devel/ngspice/ng-spice-rework-17/src/maths/cmaths/cmath2.c:220: 
undefined reference to `_random'
maths/cmaths/libcmaths.a(cmath2.o)(.text+0xb5a):/home/Administrateur/devel/ngspice/ng-spice-rework-17/src/maths/cmaths/cmath2.c:220: 
undefined reference to `_random'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [ngspice.exe] Error 1
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2



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Re: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS

[Holger V. <hol...@un...>]

Hallo Betrand,

may I suggest that you use original mingw.

Download and install MinGW-5.0.2.exe from 
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435.
Then download and install MSYS (MSYS-1.0.11-2004.04.30-1.exe) form the 
same website.

Ngspice-rework-17 should then compile out of the box inside the msys 
window (as it did for me with an older Mingw version).

Regards

Holger


Bertrand Ardouin schrieb:
> Hi All,
> I 'm new to ngspice and I'd like to use it with ADMS in order to 
> implement Verilog-AMS models (mostly HICUM and PSP).
> I'm currently working on cygwin, (I'd like to use Linux, but other 
> software which I need to interface to ngspice are only available on 
> windows up to now)
...

RE: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS

[Gary R. V. S. <g.r...@wo...>]

It compiles OOB on Cygwin.

BTW: Why hasn't my "make test" patch so that Cygwin can run the tests been
comitted yet?

-- 
Gary R. Van Sickle
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ngs...@li... 
> [mailto:ngs...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Holger Vogt
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 4:39 AM
> To: ngs...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS
> 
> Hallo Betrand,
> 
> may I suggest that you use original mingw.
> 
> Download and install MinGW-5.0.2.exe from 
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435.
> Then download and install MSYS (MSYS-1.0.11-2004.04.30-1.exe) 
> form the same website.
> 
> Ngspice-rework-17 should then compile out of the box inside 
> the msys window (as it did for me with an older Mingw version).
> 
> Regards
> 
> Holger
> 
> 
> Bertrand Ardouin schrieb:
> > Hi All,
> > I 'm new to ngspice and I'd like to use it with ADMS in order to 
> > implement Verilog-AMS models (mostly HICUM and PSP).
> > I'm currently working on cygwin, (I'd like to use Linux, but other 
> > software which I need to interface to ngspice are only available on 
> > windows up to now)
> ...
> 
> 
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RE: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS

[Paolo N. <p....@ie...>]

Ciao Gary,

Sorry, the patch was lost on past emails. I have applied and committed
it a few minutes ago. Wait some hours before checkout.

Thanks for the patch,
Paolo


On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 14:08 -0600, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> It compiles OOB on Cygwin.
> 
> BTW: Why hasn't my "make test" patch so that Cygwin can run the tests been
> comitted yet?
> 

Re: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS

[Bertrand A. <ar...@xm...>]

Hi All,
many thanks for your valuable feedback. I have solved the issue 
regarding the compilation of ngspice with pure cygwin:
I had various directories, in my PATH possibly poluting the comilation 
process. I'm not sure but I suspect that TCL and/or GTK+/Glade stuff was 
the source of the problem. Everything works fine now.
I will try the MINGW/MYSYS compilation too, in the coming days.
A few more questions though:
- Does the MINGW/MYSYS install proposed by Holger, also contains the 
various tools like autogen, automake, etc ... ?
- I made a quick test of the "-s" option with ngspice, and I'am not sure 
that it works properly (It's useful to link ngspice to Agilent ICCAP in 
piped mode). Does anybody know about "-s" option  ?
- Does anybody know if ngspice allows AC simulations at spot frequency 
with a DC sweeps in a single shot simulation ? (useful for transit 
frequency versus bias calculation)

If anybody is interested in how to link ngspice to ICCAP in place of the 
orginal SPICE engine, let me know, I will send my procedure. It's a bit 
tricky and works only in non piped mode up to know, but very convenient 
for all those who are involved in model parameter extraction.
Kind regards,
Bertrand


--------------------------------------------
Bertrand ARDOUIN, PhD.
R & D Director
 
Xmod Technologies 
43, rue P. Noailles
Parc scientifique Unitec 2
33 400 TALENCE
FRANCE 

e-mail:    ar...@xm... 
web site:  www.xmodtech.com 
Phone:     +33 5 40 00 34 98
Mobile:    +33 6 82 46 19 70
Fax:       +33 5 40 00 34 44
--------------------------------------------

Re: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS

[Sun J. <fx...@ya...>]

Hi,Bertrand Ardouin,
 
I can implement ngspice to ICCAP.:)
 
Regards,
 
Charly Sun

----- Original Message ----
From: Bertrand Ardouin <ar...@xm...>
To: ngs...@li...
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:38:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS


Hi All,
many thanks for your valuable feedback. I have solved the issue 
regarding the compilation of ngspice with pure cygwin:
I had various directories, in my PATH possibly poluting the comilation 
process. I'm not sure but I suspect that TCL and/or GTK+/Glade stuff was 
the source of the problem. Everything works fine now.
I will try the MINGW/MYSYS compilation too, in the coming days.
A few more questions though:
- Does the MINGW/MYSYS install proposed by Holger, also contains the 
various tools like autogen, automake, etc ... ?
- I made a quick test of the "-s" option with ngspice, and I'am not sure 
that it works properly (It's useful to link ngspice to Agilent ICCAP in 
piped mode). Does anybody know about "-s" option  ?
- Does anybody know if ngspice allows AC simulations at spot frequency 
with a DC sweeps in a single shot simulation ? (useful for transit 
frequency versus bias calculation)

If anybody is interested in how to link ngspice to ICCAP in place of the 
orginal SPICE engine, let me know, I will send my procedure. It's a bit 
tricky and works only in non piped mode up to know, but very convenient 
for all those who are involved in model parameter extraction.
Kind regards,
Bertrand


--------------------------------------------
Bertrand ARDOUIN, PhD.
R & D Director

Xmod Technologies 
43, rue P. Noailles
Parc scientifique Unitec 2
33 400 TALENCE
FRANCE 

e-mail:    ar...@xm... 
web site:  www.xmodtech.com 
Phone:     +33 5 40 00 34 98
Mobile:    +33 6 82 46 19 70
Fax:       +33 5 40 00 34 44
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Re: [Ngspice-devel] NGSPICE + ADMS

[Holger V. <hol...@un...>]

Dear Bertrand,

to add these tools you also need the MSYS Developer Tool Kit available 
at http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mingw/msysDTK-1.0.1.exe?download
from the same Mingw web site. 
<http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435&package_id=82721&release_id=158856>

Regards

Holger



Bertrand Ardouin schrieb:

A few more questions though:
- Does the MINGW/MYSYS install proposed by Holger, also contains the 
various tools like autogen, automake, etc ... ?