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[Netnice-library] Greetings

[Takashi O. <ta...@wi...>]

Happy new year, Netnice developers!

I have just set up a build-server for linux/netnice, which will
also be used to do Knoppix remastering for Knoppix/netnice
bootable CD.

Anyway. Please feel free to post any seasonal greetings to the
list, maybe with your latest update :-)

thanks!!

-- taka

[Netnice-library] libnetnice - prototype ready for testing & porting

[Luke R <luk...@ya...>]

Hope this message finds you doing well!

I've checked in more changes to libnetnice, and at
this point anyone working on a port can feel free to
grab the code and get started.  Anyone else looking
for something to do can review the code, offer
suggestions, enhancements, etc.

Is this code perfect?  Likely not.  I expect someone
to find something.  However, it is at a good spot
where I don't have to hold up the porting process any
longer.

All the best,

Luke


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Re: [Netnice-library] Re: libnetnice tasks

[Takashi O. <ta...@wi...>]

hi, Luke!

thanks for the commit, and your leadership.
i really really appreciate your contribution.

yes, that is a good starting point.

thanks!!

-- taka

Luke R wrote:
> The prototyping is starting to be checked in to cvs. 
> I have created a new libnetnice module for this, which
> anyone can grab and view.  Right now this is still on
> the FreeBSD4.11 platform.  Mark and Nishu (and any
> other potential porters) - this may be too soon to
> start looking at porting, but it is available. 
> Although this should compile and is useable, you'll
> notice it's not complete.
> 
> I am hoping to get some feedback from others on how
> the specification is looking and if you see any flaws
> with what is proposed: 
> http://www.netnice.org/pukiwiki-e.php?cmd=read&page=libnetnice%20Specification&word=libnetnice
>  Thanks to all who have looked at it so far.  Feel
> free to make comments and/or update the page directly.
> 
> Thanks all!  I look forward to hearing what you think.
> 
> Luke

[Netnice-library] Re: libnetnice tasks

[Luke R <luk...@ya...>]

The prototyping is starting to be checked in to cvs. 
I have created a new libnetnice module for this, which
anyone can grab and view.  Right now this is still on
the FreeBSD4.11 platform.  Mark and Nishu (and any
other potential porters) - this may be too soon to
start looking at porting, but it is available. 
Although this should compile and is useable, you'll
notice it's not complete.

I am hoping to get some feedback from others on how
the specification is looking and if you see any flaws
with what is proposed: 
http://www.netnice.org/pukiwiki-e.php?cmd=read&page=libnetnice%20Specification&word=libnetnice
 Thanks to all who have looked at it so far.  Feel
free to make comments and/or update the page directly.

Thanks all!  I look forward to hearing what you think.

Luke

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=======================================================
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 hi Luke, and netnice-library developers,
 
 as you might have realized, i have sent you several
emails
 this weekend, suggesting the task arrangement below.
 
   * libnetnice development *
 
 	1) specification	all
 
 	2) prototyping		Luke R
 		on FreeBSD4.11
 
 	3) port
 		FreeBSD5.4	Mark
 		Linux		Nishu
 		OpenBSD		-
 		NetBSD		-
 
 	4) application rewrite
 		FreeBSD5.4	Mark H Van Tuyl
 		Linux		Kashif, Nirvail, Ashok, Gaurav
 		OpenBSD		-
 		NetBSD		-
 
 if you think the application rewriting is too easy, i
may
 suggest other tasks; for example, improvement of the
network
 control module for Apache web server, mod_netnice.
 
 btw, as i have suggested, it would be better for us
to keep a
 english-version of the specification. so, i would
appreciate
 if anybody put the result of machine-translation to
the wiki
 page, as a starting point.
 
 lastly, if you want a team sticker, please let me
know. but,
 please remember that a person is eligible for the
sticker
 only after his first commit to the CVS, or to the
Wiki ;-)
 
 thanks!
 
 
 -- taka


		
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Re: [Netnice-library] libnetnice tasks

[Takashi O. <ta...@wi...>]

hi Luke, and netnice-library developers,

as you might have realized, i have sent you several emails
this weekend, suggesting the task arrangement below.

  * libnetnice development *

	1) specification	all

	2) prototyping		Luke R
		on FreeBSD4.11

	3) port
		FreeBSD5.4	Mark
		Linux		Nishu
		OpenBSD		-
		NetBSD		-

	4) application rewrite
		FreeBSD5.4	Mark H Van Tuyl
		Linux		Kashif, Nirvail, Ashok, Gaurav
		OpenBSD		-
		NetBSD		-

if you think the application rewriting is too easy, i may
suggest other tasks; for example, improvement of the network
control module for Apache web server, mod_netnice.

btw, as i have suggested, it would be better for us to keep a
english-version of the specification. so, i would appreciate
if anybody put the result of machine-translation to the wiki
page, as a starting point.

lastly, if you want a team sticker, please let me know. but,
please remember that a person is eligible for the sticker
only after his first commit to the CVS, or to the Wiki ;-)

thanks!


-- taka

Luke R wrote:
> Hello all!  I am looking to lead the development effort on libnetnice, and I was really happy to see that so many people are looking to get working on it as well.  Don't let me hold anyone back - if someone has a really good idea on how this should happen, feel free to speak up and take the reigns.
> 
> The first step I'm actually looking for is to get a solid definition of the interface and get it documented in the wiki on the site.  I know that there are a few pages out there now, however all are in Japanese and did not translate very nicely for me via Google.  If anyone has read through these pages and has a clear translation, please send it to the list.  I realize some people aren't crazy about holding back on development - I know, I'm not really either.  One thing I have learned in my minimal working experience though, is that it is a lot better to define things before you start coding.
> 
> Next up will be the fun part of making this work, and then the various porting projects.  If anyone working on a port wants to do this in parallel with the main libnetnice project, that will probably work out quite nicely.
> 
> I guess that's what I had in mind for tackling this.  If anyone think that sounds stupid or has other ideas, again, please say so.  I'm really excited to get this in an easy-to-use library and extend Netnice into more applications.
> 
> Luke R.

Re: [Netnice-library] libnetnice tasks

[Takashi O. <ta...@wi...>]

thanks Luke, i really appreciate your leadership.
i just add some administrivia issues.

first, i remember that you will use FreeBSD4.11 as your development
platform. so, you can work on Fp-1 and lib1 at a time. but, we still
have three open positions, as shown below. i'll write to several guys
in the list for assistance, and i really appreciate your cooperation.

	libnetnice	(lib1)	Luke R
	Linux		(Lp-1)	-
	FreeBSD4.11	(Fp-1)	Luke R
	FreeBSD5.4	(Gp-1)	Mark H Van Tuyl
	OpenBSD		(Op-1)	-	
	NetBSD		(Np-1)	-

secondly, regarding the japanese specification, i will try to invite
some japanese-speaking developers to the list so that non-japanese
speakers can get better feel of it.

also, please feel free to use the Wiki, as you like (> all). i believe
it is a fairly smart collaboration tool. hope you all like it.

thanks!


-- taka

Luke R wrote:
> Hello all!  I am looking to lead the development effort on libnetnice, and I was really happy to see that so many people are looking to get working on it as well.  Don't let me hold anyone back - if someone has a really good idea on how this should happen, feel free to speak up and take the reigns.
> 
> The first step I'm actually looking for is to get a solid definition of the interface and get it documented in the wiki on the site.  I know that there are a few pages out there now, however all are in Japanese and did not translate very nicely for me via Google.  If anyone has read through these pages and has a clear translation, please send it to the list.  I realize some people aren't crazy about holding back on development - I know, I'm not really either.  One thing I have learned in my minimal working experience though, is that it is a lot better to define things before you start coding.
> 
> Next up will be the fun part of making this work, and then the various porting projects.  If anyone working on a port wants to do this in parallel with the main libnetnice project, that will probably work out quite nicely.
> 
> I guess that's what I had in mind for tackling this.  If anyone think that sounds stupid or has other ideas, again, please say so.  I'm really excited to get this in an easy-to-use library and extend Netnice into more applications.
> 
> Luke R.
> 
> 
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[Netnice-library] libnetnice tasks

[Luke R <luk...@ya...>]

Hello all!  I am looking to lead the development effort on libnetnice, and I was really happy to see that so many people are looking to get working on it as well.  Don't let me hold anyone back - if someone has a really good idea on how this should happen, feel free to speak up and take the reigns.

The first step I'm actually looking for is to get a solid definition of the interface and get it documented in the wiki on the site.  I know that there are a few pages out there now, however all are in Japanese and did not translate very nicely for me via Google.  If anyone has read through these pages and has a clear translation, please send it to the list.  I realize some people aren't crazy about holding back on development - I know, I'm not really either.  One thing I have learned in my minimal working experience though, is that it is a lot better to define things before you start coding.

Next up will be the fun part of making this work, and then the various porting projects.  If anyone working on a port wants to do this in parallel with the main libnetnice project, that will probably work out quite nicely.

I guess that's what I had in mind for tackling this.  If anyone think that sounds stupid or has other ideas, again, please say so.  I'm really excited to get this in an easy-to-use library and extend Netnice into more applications.

Luke R.


		
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[Netnice-library] Re: C/C++ programmer wanted for libnetni

[Takashi O. <ta...@wi...>]

hi Nirvail,

thanks for joining us. i think Luke R will lead the implementation process.
please join netnice-library mailing list, also, and wait for next message.

i would also appreciate if you let us know about yourself.

thanks!


-- taka

p.s. Luke, can you send your rough plan about the implementation process
to the lists,
so that the developers can collaborate together? thanks!


On 11/13/05, Nirvail Singh <ni...@us...> wrote:
>
> Message body follows:
>
> Hello!
>
> My name is "Nirvail Sandhu". I e-mail you last week to join
> libnetni project. You sent me a link to join mailing list. I
> already subscribe to the list.
>
> I want to let you know that I would like to implement code
> from specification. Please let me know my next step.
>
> My e-mail is nir...@ya...
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Netnice-library] Re: [Netnice-developer] libnetnice tasks

[Takashi O. <ta...@wi...>]

hi, matt.

thanks for the post. if you can be responsible for L1 development,
that will be great. also, you may take as much tasks as you want,
including Lib1, of course :-)

but, since NPF porting is the most tough part in the diagram, i
suggest you to start from easier tasks, raising the hurdles step
by step. so, if you have any spare time, can you just upgrade
the 2.6.7 netnice, to 2.6.12?? this will be quite instructive
for you, as a starting point.

if that is okay, please take a look at freebsd/sys/NOTE file,
in the alpha package. you will find commit instructions, which
tells you how to add an upgraded version to the CVS repository.
Particularly, please follow the instructions given in the following
sections. use r2612, as the branch for the clean 2.6.12, and
netnice2612 for your new version.

	- How to import a newer version of the OS
	- To add a branch to the repository
	- Too apply the patch of the old version, to the new one

if you cannot understand these instructions, please just leave
them untouched. once we had a new developer, who were new to CVS,
jeopardized entire repository with careless import operation, and
i really do not want that to happen again.

if the task is too easy for you, that will be nice. really nice.
so, please just show me by actually finishing it, and, please try
to fix the bug, i described in L1 task description, next. For
more detailed description, please try to get commit log for
FreeBSD, on July 23, 2005. the bug tries to drain packets from
a deleted leaf VIF. you may not understand what it means now, but,
you will, once you finish the upgrading part. and, the commit
logs contain many hints about how to fix the bug, though it is
made for other BSD OSes.

i believe these tasks will provide fairly instructive
opportunity for you, to get used to the Linux/netnice code.
any questions and suggestions are welcome.

thanks!!!


-- taka

Matt Davis wrote:
> I would be up for L1, mostly for the NPF port.  I wanna generate some
> code, especially some kernal hacking goodies.  Although Lib1 is
> definitely my second choice.  Mostly I would like to contribute some of
> my own code for the project.  But since Im the new guy to the project,
> ill let you all deem what task would be more 'useful' for my learning
> the netnice system.
> 
> -Matt

[Netnice-library] Re: [Netnice-developer] libnetnice tasks

[Matt D. <mat...@gm...>]

I would be up for L1, mostly for the NPF port.  I wanna generate some
code, especially some kernal hacking goodies.  Although Lib1 is
definitely my second choice.  Mostly I would like to contribute some of
my own code for the project.  But since Im the new guy to the project,
ill let you all deem what task would be more 'useful' for my learning
the netnice system.

-Matt

Takashi Okumura wrote:
> Dear netnice developers,
> 
> I am sorry for the lack of detailed information in the last message.
> As some of you might know, I was in the U.S. last year, to take several
> exams needed to qualify myself. And then, I returned to Japan to resume
> my hospital training (yes, I am a medical student). This is why I have
> been unable to write to you, since I spend most of my time at hospitals
> these days...
> 
> Anyway. I have restarted the release engineering task of Netnice 2.2.
> And, because it is not just a simple and easy task, I would really
> appreciate if some of you help me. For this purpose, I tried to clarify
> the state of the project and tasks needed to be done, with a simple
> diagram.
> 
> 	http://www.netnice.org/pukiwiki.php?Netnice2.2
> 
> As you might have realized, there are a lot of tasks, at a glance. But,
> most of them are simple ones, for example, it is pretty straightforward
> to create a "Release Candidate", once we have a beta version. Likewise,
> if we have an RC, it would be easy to create an actual release (this is
> why RC is called as such). So, I think each task will not take so long,
> contrarily to the complexity of the diagram.
> 
> Now, I would be happy if some of you take over some of the tasks. If
> you have some time to spare, please post task ID of your choice to the
> mailing list, so that we can coordinate the tasks among coworkers (if
> any...). If any conflict happens, I will try to divide the task into
> several parts so that everyone can be happy. (For example, you may find
> L1 can be divided into three pieces.)
> 
> If you need access to the developers' CVS, please just let me know.
> I'll soon add your account to the access control list. Secondly, the
> specification of libetnice is currently available only in Japanese.
> I understand it is frustrating to most of you guys, even though we
> can translate it to english (or most of other major languages) by
> free translation service. So, please don't hesitate to ask for
> assistance. I will try to respond as quickly as possible. However,
> since I might be unable to reply in a prompt manner, I would be glad
> if other Japanese speakers help us, just in case.
> 
> Questions are really welcome. I would appreciate any suggestions,
> and code contributions :-) Also, I suggest you to use the Wiki at
> our project web site. If you need urgent help, I might be available
> on MS messenger (ta...@ho...), though I prefer emails.
> 
> Lastly, if you need something, to facilitate your development process,
> such as PC, HDD, software, etc, I may help. Just let me know. I will
> also ship a Netnice sticker to your mailing address, when you first
> commit :-)
> 
> thanks!
> 
> -- taka
> 
> 
>>Dear netnice users/developers,
>>
>>I'm sorry that I've not contacted you guys for so long. I've been
>>negotiating with a developer in charge of the development of
>>libnetnice. But, it finally turned out that he cannot contribute
>>the implementation to the project. So, now, I am looking for
>>other developers who can take over the implementation task,
>>utilizing a specification he designed. Contribution to the
>>specification is also highly appreciated. I have already posted
>>a job description at sourceforge, but, if you find the task
>>interesting, please let me know.
> 
> 
> 
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[Netnice-library] libnetnice tasks

[Takashi O. <ta...@wi...>]

Dear netnice developers,

I am sorry for the lack of detailed information in the last message.
As some of you might know, I was in the U.S. last year, to take several
exams needed to qualify myself. And then, I returned to Japan to resume
my hospital training (yes, I am a medical student). This is why I have
been unable to write to you, since I spend most of my time at hospitals
these days...

Anyway. I have restarted the release engineering task of Netnice 2.2.
And, because it is not just a simple and easy task, I would really
appreciate if some of you help me. For this purpose, I tried to clarify
the state of the project and tasks needed to be done, with a simple
diagram.

	http://www.netnice.org/pukiwiki.php?Netnice2.2

As you might have realized, there are a lot of tasks, at a glance. But,
most of them are simple ones, for example, it is pretty straightforward
to create a "Release Candidate", once we have a beta version. Likewise,
if we have an RC, it would be easy to create an actual release (this is
why RC is called as such). So, I think each task will not take so long,
contrarily to the complexity of the diagram.

Now, I would be happy if some of you take over some of the tasks. If
you have some time to spare, please post task ID of your choice to the
mailing list, so that we can coordinate the tasks among coworkers (if
any...). If any conflict happens, I will try to divide the task into
several parts so that everyone can be happy. (For example, you may find
L1 can be divided into three pieces.)

If you need access to the developers' CVS, please just let me know.
I'll soon add your account to the access control list. Secondly, the
specification of libetnice is currently available only in Japanese.
I understand it is frustrating to most of you guys, even though we
can translate it to english (or most of other major languages) by
free translation service. So, please don't hesitate to ask for
assistance. I will try to respond as quickly as possible. However,
since I might be unable to reply in a prompt manner, I would be glad
if other Japanese speakers help us, just in case.

Questions are really welcome. I would appreciate any suggestions,
and code contributions :-) Also, I suggest you to use the Wiki at
our project web site. If you need urgent help, I might be available
on MS messenger (ta...@ho...), though I prefer emails.

Lastly, if you need something, to facilitate your development process,
such as PC, HDD, software, etc, I may help. Just let me know. I will
also ship a Netnice sticker to your mailing address, when you first
commit :-)

thanks!

-- taka

> Dear netnice users/developers,
> 
> I'm sorry that I've not contacted you guys for so long. I've been
> negotiating with a developer in charge of the development of
> libnetnice. But, it finally turned out that he cannot contribute
> the implementation to the project. So, now, I am looking for
> other developers who can take over the implementation task,
> utilizing a specification he designed. Contribution to the
> specification is also highly appreciated. I have already posted
> a job description at sourceforge, but, if you find the task
> interesting, please let me know.