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From: Adam P. <ad...@ad...> - 2009-09-06 21:43:02
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I'm trying to install Netjuke, but when I submit the form, instead of a preferences file being saved to my desktop, I get a javascript dialogue saying: Problem executing part of the generated sql. Please try again. %0Acreate%20table%20netjuke_plists%20%28... Though eight tables do get added to my database, so I'm not completely out of touch here ;o) I'm using Ubuntu 9.04, PHP5, Apache2, MySQL. Error appears in both Firefox and Konqueror. I note this error appears for a number of other users (in Ubuntu forums and this list's archive) but no resolutions appear to be forthcoming. Any ideas? Adam Pope 07977238873 London 7755 2916 www.informationhandyman.com |
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From: Josh G. <jos...@gm...> - 2006-05-13 00:58:40
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Ok here is a very odd scenario that I am having. I installed Jinzora with MySQL 5.0.x, PHP 5, and Jinzora (not the newest release but the release previous to the new "beta") Now... I get Jinzora installed, imported ALL 240GB+ songs of mine, It launches, everything seems to work just fine. Then after I logout, and try to log back in, I get the problem. I CANNOT under and circumstances log in. I use the admin / pwd combo I gav= e and nothing. It has done this twice to me so far and I am starting to get more than a little frustrated. Netjuke never gave me this problem, BUT I could only get Netjuke to work with like MySQL 3x and PHP 4. Has anyone else had this problem or am I flying solo on this one? Thanks in advance for anything you can provide. - Josh On 5/11/06, net...@li... < net...@li...> wrote: > > Send Netjuke-users mailing list submissions to > net...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > net...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > net...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Netjuke-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Netjuke-users digest, Vol 1 #400 - 3 msgs (pingywon) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "pingywon" <pin...@ho...> > To: <net...@li...> > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:32:59 -0400 > Subject: [Netjuke-users] Re: Netjuke-users digest, Vol 1 #400 - 3 msgs > > net juke has converged with Jinzora > www.jinzora.org > > I run netjuke and jinzora on a windows server. > Netjuke runs PERFECTLY I had alot of issues getting jinzora to work > correctly and when no one could answer my questions I just started using > netjuke. > > Jinzora is WORTH a look ...check it out > ~pingywon MCSE > www.pingywon.com > www.illmob.org > www.freeillwill.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <net...@li...> > To: <net...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:05 PM > Subject: Netjuke-users digest, Vol 1 #400 - 3 msgs > > > > Send Netjuke-users mailing list submissions to > > net...@li... > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > net...@li... > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > net...@li... > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Netjuke-users digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Netjuke.org? (Josh) > > 2. Setting up Netjuke. (Josh Gooding) > > 3. Re: Netjuke.org? (Steve Lacy) > > > > -- __--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > To: net...@li... > > From: Josh <Jos...@gm...> > > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 04:11:57 +0000 (UTC) > > Subject: [Netjuke-users] Netjuke.org? > > > > Um... not to sound in the dark here but WTH happened to Netjuke.org? > > Someone > > hit me back with an answer. > > > > > > > > -- __--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:34:17 -0400 > > From: "Josh Gooding" <jos...@gm...> > > To: net...@li... > > Subject: [Netjuke-users] Setting up Netjuke. > > > > ------=3D_Part_5088_12453024.1147235657248 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Ok, its not a difficult task but I have a few things working against me > > here... > > > > #1 and most importantly I am setting this up on a Win32x platform. > > #2 I am running the latest greatest version of PHP > > #3 I am also running the latest greatest version of MySQL > > > > I know that I had set this up before using an older version of MySQL > > database and I believe PHP 4.x > > > > I created the db called NJDB and I ran the Install and it creates 8 > tables > > and I get an error on creating the 9th table in the DB. I attribute > this > > t=3D > > o > > the Netjuke not being compatible with the newer DB and PHP. > > > > Some one please get back to me on this situation please. Thanks! > > > > - Josh > > > > ------=3D_Part_5088_12453024.1147235657248 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Ok, its not a difficult task but I have a few things working against me > > her=3D > > e...<br><br>#1 and most importantly I am setting this up on a Win32x > > platfo=3D > > rm.<br>#2 I am running the latest greatest version of PHP<br>#3 I am > also > > r=3D > > unning the latest greatest version of MySQL > > <br><br>I know that I had set this up before using an older version of > > MySQ=3D > > L database and I believe PHP 4.x<br><br>I created the db called NJDB an= d > I > > =3D > > ran the Install and it creates 8 tables and I get an error on creating > the > > =3D > > 9th table in the DB. I attribute this to the Netjuke not being > > compat=3D > > ible with the newer DB and PHP. > > <br><br>Some one please get back to me on this situation please. > > Than=3D > > ks!<br><br>- Josh<br><br><br> > > > > ------=3D_Part_5088_12453024.1147235657248-- > > > > > > -- __--__-- > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:36:24 -0700 > > From: Steve Lacy <sl...@sl...> > > To: Josh <Jos...@gm...> > > CC: net...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Netjuke-users] Netjuke.org? > > > > I think since netjuke combined with Jinzora (http://jinzora.org) they > > gave up the domain. You can still get some files from > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/netjuke > > > > Steve > > > > Josh wrote: > > > >>Um... not to sound in the dark here but WTH happened to Netjuke.org? > >>Someone > >>hit me back with an answer. > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------- > >>Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > >>Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > >>easier > >>Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > >>http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat= =3D121642 > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Netjuke-users mailing list > >>Net...@li... > >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- __--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netjuke-users mailing list > > Net...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > > > > End of Netjuke-users Digest > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Netjuke-users mailing list > Net...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > End of Netjuke-users Digest > |
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From: pingywon <pin...@ho...> - 2006-05-11 04:33:05
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net juke has converged with Jinzora www.jinzora.org I run netjuke and jinzora on a windows server. Netjuke runs PERFECTLY I had alot of issues getting jinzora to work correctly and when no one could answer my questions I just started using netjuke. Jinzora is WORTH a look ...check it out ~pingywon MCSE www.pingywon.com www.illmob.org www.freeillwill.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <net...@li...> To: <net...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Netjuke-users digest, Vol 1 #400 - 3 msgs > Send Netjuke-users mailing list submissions to > net...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > net...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > net...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Netjuke-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Netjuke.org? (Josh) > 2. Setting up Netjuke. (Josh Gooding) > 3. Re: Netjuke.org? (Steve Lacy) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > To: net...@li... > From: Josh <Jos...@gm...> > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 04:11:57 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Netjuke-users] Netjuke.org? > > Um... not to sound in the dark here but WTH happened to Netjuke.org? > Someone > hit me back with an answer. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:34:17 -0400 > From: "Josh Gooding" <jos...@gm...> > To: net...@li... > Subject: [Netjuke-users] Setting up Netjuke. > > ------=_Part_5088_12453024.1147235657248 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > Ok, its not a difficult task but I have a few things working against me > here... > > #1 and most importantly I am setting this up on a Win32x platform. > #2 I am running the latest greatest version of PHP > #3 I am also running the latest greatest version of MySQL > > I know that I had set this up before using an older version of MySQL > database and I believe PHP 4.x > > I created the db called NJDB and I ran the Install and it creates 8 tables > and I get an error on creating the 9th table in the DB. I attribute this > t= > o > the Netjuke not being compatible with the newer DB and PHP. > > Some one please get back to me on this situation please. Thanks! > > - Josh > > ------=_Part_5088_12453024.1147235657248 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > Ok, its not a difficult task but I have a few things working against me > her= > e...<br><br>#1 and most importantly I am setting this up on a Win32x > platfo= > rm.<br>#2 I am running the latest greatest version of PHP<br>#3 I am also > r= > unning the latest greatest version of MySQL > <br><br>I know that I had set this up before using an older version of > MySQ= > L database and I believe PHP 4.x<br><br>I created the db called NJDB and I > = > ran the Install and it creates 8 tables and I get an error on creating the > = > 9th table in the DB. I attribute this to the Netjuke not being > compat= > ible with the newer DB and PHP. > <br><br>Some one please get back to me on this situation please. > Than= > ks!<br><br>- Josh<br><br><br> > > ------=_Part_5088_12453024.1147235657248-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:36:24 -0700 > From: Steve Lacy <sl...@sl...> > To: Josh <Jos...@gm...> > CC: net...@li... > Subject: Re: [Netjuke-users] Netjuke.org? > > I think since netjuke combined with Jinzora (http://jinzora.org) they > gave up the domain. You can still get some files from > http://sourceforge.net/projects/netjuke > > Steve > > Josh wrote: > >>Um... not to sound in the dark here but WTH happened to Netjuke.org? >>Someone >>hit me back with an answer. >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? >>Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job >>easier >>Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo >>http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >>_______________________________________________ >>Netjuke-users mailing list >>Net...@li... >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users >> >> >> > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Netjuke-users mailing list > Net...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > End of Netjuke-users Digest > |
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From: Steve L. <sl...@sl...> - 2006-05-10 04:34:45
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I think since netjuke combined with Jinzora (http://jinzora.org) they gave up the domain. You can still get some files from http://sourceforge.net/projects/netjuke Steve Josh wrote: >Um... not to sound in the dark here but WTH happened to Netjuke.org? Someone >hit me back with an answer. > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? >Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier >Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >_______________________________________________ >Netjuke-users mailing list >Net...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > |
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From: Josh G. <jos...@gm...> - 2006-05-10 04:34:23
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Ok, its not a difficult task but I have a few things working against me here... #1 and most importantly I am setting this up on a Win32x platform. #2 I am running the latest greatest version of PHP #3 I am also running the latest greatest version of MySQL I know that I had set this up before using an older version of MySQL database and I believe PHP 4.x I created the db called NJDB and I ran the Install and it creates 8 tables and I get an error on creating the 9th table in the DB. I attribute this t= o the Netjuke not being compatible with the newer DB and PHP. Some one please get back to me on this situation please. Thanks! - Josh |
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From: Josh <Jos...@gm...> - 2006-05-10 04:15:23
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Um... not to sound in the dark here but WTH happened to Netjuke.org? Someone hit me back with an answer. |
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From: john <jo...@ga...> - 2005-05-25 04:41:47
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I have installed mysql and created the db according to the docs on fedora core
1. I am getting some sort of connect error running the installer.php script:
http://myhost/netjuke/installer/installer.php
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in
/var/www/html/netjuke/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 234
Which is this line in the script:
if (ADODB_PHPVER >= 0x4300)
$this->_connectionID =
mysql_connect($argHostname,$argUsername,$argPassword,
[root@myhost docs]# rpm -qa |grep http
redhat-config-httpd-1.1.0-5
httpd-manual-2.0.50-1.0
httpd-2.0.50-1.0
[root@myhost docs]# rpm -qa |grep mysql
mysql-server-3.23.58-4
mysql-devel-3.23.58-4
mysql-3.23.58-4
php-mysql-4.3.8-1.1
[root@myhost docs]# rpm -qa |grep php
php-pcntl-4.3.8-1
php-4.3.8-1.1
php-mbstring-4.3.8-1.1
php-adodb-4.60-1.1.fc1.rf
php-gtk-pcntl-1.0.0-2
php-mysql-4.3.8-1.1
[root@myhost docs]#
php -m
[PHP Modules]
bcmath
bz2
calendar
ctype
curl
dba
dbx
dio
exif
ftp
gd
gettext
gmp
iconv
mbstring
mysql
ncurses
openssl
overload
pcre
posix
pspell
session
shmop
sockets
standard
sysvsem
sysvshm
tokenizer
wddx
xml
yp
zlib
[Zend Modules]
[root@myhost docs]# service mysqld start
Initializing MySQL database: [ OK ]
Starting MySQL: [ OK ]
[root@myhost docs]# mysql -u root
Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MySQL connection id is 3 to server version: 3.23.58
Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer.
mysql> create database netjuke;
Query OK, 1 row affected (0.01 sec)
mysql> use netjuke;
Database changed
mysql> \q
Bye
This is what I populate in the install script items:
DB Type [?] MySQL
DB Host [?] myhost
DB User [?] root
DB Password [?]
DB Name [?] netjuke
Sys. Admin. Email [?] jo...@my...
Admin. Password [?]
Confirm Password [?]
Language [?] English
User Themes [?] Enabled
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From: Jeremy C. <me...@je...> - 2005-05-19 20:42:32
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yes, the button is a little square for me too... their dox are pretty good from what I remember.. the tag scanner works very well if you have put time into making your dirs perfect, as I had. But, I use the cddb scanner almost exclusively now. Select an album, go to Tools>cddb album search.... just hit search in the window that pops up, and more than likely it will have found your album. You can then select the stuff it found, and apply it to the tags of your mp3s. You can also (and this is damned cool) run the tags through your filter be4 filling your tags, like I make titles uppercase in id3, but want all my files lowercase with scores translated to _ and in the convention of %n_%t_%b_%a.mp3 where n=track number t=title b=album and a=artist. The genre thing I mentioned before is the brutal but quick way to get into the prog ;) Jeremy et...@sp... wrote: >On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote: > > >>look into the tag scanner window on easytag. >> >>However, if you click on Rock for instance, in the center column part of >>easytag, you will see i fill up with all your songs as they get scanned >>for id3 tags. If you want genre fixed, select them all, change the genre >>to Rock, and press the little apply to all button next to the genre >>field. You have just rewritten the tag for the genre acrss all the songs. >> >> > >Ah, sweet, got it. FWIW, the button next to genre, for me, is just a >little square. There is no indication of 'apply to all'. It works, but I >don't think I would have ever tried it. > >Thanks, everyone, for your help. These 20k files of mine are slowly having >the genre tags fixed. > >In netjuke, I cleared the db and imported a couple of test directories and >it looks real good. > > >BTW, I was messing around with 'id3ren' but, AFAICT, it is limited to a >preset-selection of genres. That's how I got the impression that the >genre information had to be some number between 1 and 125. > > >Anyway, thanks again. > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >Want to be the first software developer in space? >Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412&alloc_id=16344&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Netjuke-users mailing list >Net...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > > |
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From: <et...@sp...> - 2005-05-19 20:18:54
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On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote: > look into the tag scanner window on easytag. > > However, if you click on Rock for instance, in the center column part of > easytag, you will see i fill up with all your songs as they get scanned > for id3 tags. If you want genre fixed, select them all, change the genre > to Rock, and press the little apply to all button next to the genre > field. You have just rewritten the tag for the genre acrss all the songs. Ah, sweet, got it. FWIW, the button next to genre, for me, is just a little square. There is no indication of 'apply to all'. It works, but I don't think I would have ever tried it. Thanks, everyone, for your help. These 20k files of mine are slowly having the genre tags fixed. In netjuke, I cleared the db and imported a couple of test directories and it looks real good. BTW, I was messing around with 'id3ren' but, AFAICT, it is limited to a preset-selection of genres. That's how I got the impression that the genre information had to be some number between 1 and 125. Anyway, thanks again. |
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From: John G. <ba...@wi...> - 2005-05-19 13:54:42
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Not to turn this into an EasyTag mailing list, but...
Don't feel stupid. I felt the interface for EasyTag was not very
intuitive as well. Just to get you going in the right direction, I
think what you want is this:
Say you have you stuff organized as
/MyMP3s/genre/artist/album/tracknumber-trackname
Select all of the files for which you want to fill the tags.
You use the easytag 'Tag and File Name scan' feature in Scanner > Fill
Tags and put something like this in the text field
/MyMP3s/%g/%a/%b/%n-%t
Then click the scan button. Your files should turn red (they may have
been red text in the first place because easytag likes to update tags to
a given standard). Then click the save button (floppy disk) and all
tags will be updated based on the folder/file naming.
I use the reverse of this to reorganize or import mp3's into my netjuke
filesystem.
Someone made the point of saying that ID3 tags offer data portability.
I can not possibly agree more. I maintain my ID3 tags religiously and
it has saved my ass a LOT of work several times. Of course, I am big on
data portability. I'm an Oracle DBA. ;)
Good Luck!
P.S. Don't try this on a ton of files at once until you have it down
pat! It could majorly hose everything for you.
et...@sp... wrote:
>On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:47:27PM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote:
>
>
>
>>http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need
>>another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums...
>>
>>
>
>I feel like a real blockhead here.
>
>
>I've installed and run easytag, but it's a gui interface that I can't figure
>out for my purposes.
>
>
>My initial complaint with netjuke was that it just used whatever genre was
>in the id3 tag for importing. I wanted to know if I could get netjuke
>to appreciate the fact that I have music sorted into genre/artist/album
>format.
>
>I was hoping that with easytag, I would find a command-line program
>that would simply (recursively) write whatever tag netjuke needs in order
>to respect the organization structure I have. It's not obvious to me how
>to get easytag to do so, though.
>
>
>Am I not understanding easytag? Am I not understanding netjuke?
>
>
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From: Jeremy C. <me...@je...> - 2005-05-19 13:40:51
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look into the tag scanner window on easytag. However, if you click on Rock for instance, in the center column part of easytag, you will see i fill up with all your songs as they get scanned for id3 tags. If you want genre fixed, select them all, change the genre to Rock, and press the little apply to all button next to the genre field. You have just rewritten the tag for the genre acrss all the songs. The tag scanner will also read Genre > Artist > Title into the tags, depending on how you have your collection setup. It may take some playing with it, but it is really quite intuitive once you understand the basics. Jeremy PS: Nothing is ever that easy... however if you would like to write a netjuke preparation script, I would try it! to...@sp... wrote: >On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:47:27PM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote: > > > >>http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need >>another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums... >> >> > >I feel like a real blockhead here. > > >I've installed and run easytag, but it's a gui interface that I can't figure >out for my purposes. > > >My initial complaint with netjuke was that it just used whatever genre was >in the id3 tag for importing. I wanted to know if I could get netjuke >to appreciate the fact that I have music sorted into genre/artist/album >format. > >I was hoping that with easytag, I would find a command-line program >that would simply (recursively) write whatever tag netjuke needs in order >to respect the organization structure I have. It's not obvious to me how >to get easytag to do so, though. > > >Am I not understanding easytag? Am I not understanding netjuke? > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >Want to be the first software developer in space? >Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412&alloc_id=16344&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Netjuke-users mailing list >Net...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > > |
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From: <et...@sp...> - 2005-05-19 02:48:01
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On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 05:47:27PM -0400, Jeremy Chapman wrote: > http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need > another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums... I feel like a real blockhead here. I've installed and run easytag, but it's a gui interface that I can't figure out for my purposes. My initial complaint with netjuke was that it just used whatever genre was in the id3 tag for importing. I wanted to know if I could get netjuke to appreciate the fact that I have music sorted into genre/artist/album format. I was hoping that with easytag, I would find a command-line program that would simply (recursively) write whatever tag netjuke needs in order to respect the organization structure I have. It's not obvious to me how to get easytag to do so, though. Am I not understanding easytag? Am I not understanding netjuke? |
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From: Elijah S. <es...@di...> - 2005-05-12 11:14:47
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Well I have been using Jinzora but I uninstalled it. One of the really big pains for me is when you want to add music you have to rescan your entire collection unlike netjuke you can go in your admin tools and choose the folder you want to import. I also do not know about that fast comment as it takes me over and hour to import. If your really serious about this look on the mailinglist for an email I sentabout all the issues I had.=20 -----Original Message----- From: net...@li... [mailto:net...@li...] On Behalf Of Gordon Mackenzie Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:02 AM To: net...@li... Subject: [Netjuke-users] Re: Netjuke-users digest, Vol 1 #395 - 15 msgs I cannot recommend Jinzora myself, I tried the latest release and I cannot get it to scan all of my music (190 GB) of mp3s. It is also terribly slow compared to Netjuke with only about 1/4 of the tracks in the DB versus Netjuke. I really like the interface, but it just doesn't cut the mustard for true power-users/consumers. > Subject: [Netjuke-users] A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released -=20 > upcoming merger with Netjuke] >=20 > Ok, I guess first impressions can be wrong. After getting a bit of=20 > help from the jinzora developers to fix an incompatibility with=20 > Mandrake 10.1 (php issue, easy to fix)... I finally got a working > Jinzora2 install that looks like netjuke for the most part. >=20 > I haven't tried editing any tracks yet, but I must say that I can=20 > learn to like this. The multiple interfaces are nice, and it is=20 > configurable enough that I can turn off things I don't particularly=20 > care for (album art, for example :) >=20 > Anyways, if you guys are still on the fence, give Jinzora a try. Use=20 > the netjuke skin and it looks almost like netjuke 1.0rc2. It even=20 > works! >=20 > It actually plenty fax on my 21500 song collection.=20 > I still like how > netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, probably the=20 > order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit some songs to have=20 > the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's minor. >=20 > Art >=20 We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. [Robert Wilensky (1997), Oxford Dictionary of Modern Quotations (2002)] ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7393&alloc_id=3D16281&op=3Dclick _______________________________________________ Netjuke-users mailing list Net...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users |
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From: Gordon M. <gma...@ya...> - 2005-05-12 04:02:00
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I cannot recommend Jinzora myself, I tried the latest release and I cannot get it to scan all of my music (190 GB) of mp3s. It is also terribly slow compared to Netjuke with only about 1/4 of the tracks in the DB versus Netjuke. I really like the interface, but it just doesn't cut the mustard for true power-users/consumers. > Subject: [Netjuke-users] A convert? [Fwd: Jinzora > 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke] > > Ok, I guess first impressions can be wrong. After > getting a bit of > help from the jinzora developers to fix an > incompatibility with > Mandrake 10.1 (php issue, easy to fix)... I finally > got a working > Jinzora2 install that looks like netjuke for the > most part. > > I haven't tried editing any tracks yet, but I must > say that I can > learn to like this. The multiple interfaces are > nice, and it is > configurable enough that I can turn off things I > don't particularly > care for (album art, for example :) > > Anyways, if you guys are still on the fence, give > Jinzora a try. Use > the netjuke skin and it looks almost like netjuke > 1.0rc2. It even > works! > > It actually plenty fax on my 21500 song collection. > I still like how > netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, > probably the > order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit > some songs to have > the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's > minor. > > Art > We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. [Robert Wilensky (1997), Oxford Dictionary of Modern Quotations (2002)] |
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From: Paul C. <sil...@si...> - 2005-05-12 00:54:14
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I second Easytag - and thanks for the FYI on the album art downloader, that's fantastic. Now I just have to decide if I want to install QT to use it. Paul sil...@si... Jeremy Chapman wrote: > http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need > another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums... > > use that with http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/projects/albumart/ and > you have a very pretty collection. Took me over a year, but have my > collection mainly in check. > > Everyone with an mp3 collection should check these out. They are > linux-only tools, but we all have linux mp3 servers right? > |
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From: Jeremy C. <me...@je...> - 2005-05-11 21:48:54
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http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ The best by far. You will never need another tool. Amazing CDDB guessing of albums... use that with http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/projects/albumart/ and you have a very pretty collection. Took me over a year, but have my collection mainly in check. Everyone with an mp3 collection should check these out. They are linux-only tools, but we all have linux mp3 servers right? Escobedo, Joshua wrote: >I've bounced around from database to database with my music, and have been >using netjuke now for over a year. I gotta say there is NO SUBSTITUTE for >good id3 tags. It's like guaranteed db portability. > >Tag&Rename is decent, but I don't like the clunky interface. I cannot >select multiple tracks in the CDDB results and shift their order, I have >to adjust order one track at a time. Since it reads track filenames in >first-digit order (1,10, 11, 12, 2, 20, 21, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc), I pretty much >ahve to do this for every album. > >I wish I'd have made good id3 tags years ago. Surely there is a linux >solution you can use to read the file structure as you have it, and make >id3 tags. > >If anyone has a recommendation for a better one than tag&rename for >windows, I'm all ears. :) command line tools that'd work under FreeBSD >would be neat too. > >-- josh escobedo > computer support > international services > (312) 355-2479 > >On Wed, May 11, 2005 3:37 pm, et...@sp... said: > > >>On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote: >> >> >>>You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to >>>write tags from the directory/file structure. >>> >>> >>Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK. >> >>Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag >>genres. So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the >>appropriate >>bit. >> >>It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to >>recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form. >>It's not uncommon to do so. >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >>Want to be the first software developer in space? >>Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click >>_______________________________________________ >>Netjuke-users mailing list >>Net...@li... >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >Want to be the first software developer in space? >Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Netjuke-users mailing list >Net...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > > |
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From: John G. <ba...@wi...> - 2005-05-11 21:40:37
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For Linux I have had outstanding results with EasyTag 1.99 and it can fill tags from your directory structure. With EasyTag, it is not required that the genres are standard ones, AFAIK. http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ I love using this app for renaming files and folder structures from tag data too. Then I load everything into Netjuke. et...@sp... wrote: >On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote: > > >>You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to >>write tags from the directory/file structure. >> >> > >Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK. > >Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag >genres. So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the appropriate >bit. > >It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to >recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form. >It's not uncommon to do so. > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >Want to be the first software developer in space? >Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Netjuke-users mailing list >Net...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > |
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From: Escobedo, J. <je...@ui...> - 2005-05-11 20:57:59
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I've bounced around from database to database with my music, and have been using netjuke now for over a year. I gotta say there is NO SUBSTITUTE for good id3 tags. It's like guaranteed db portability. Tag&Rename is decent, but I don't like the clunky interface. I cannot select multiple tracks in the CDDB results and shift their order, I have to adjust order one track at a time. Since it reads track filenames in first-digit order (1,10, 11, 12, 2, 20, 21, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc), I pretty much ahve to do this for every album. I wish I'd have made good id3 tags years ago. Surely there is a linux solution you can use to read the file structure as you have it, and make id3 tags. If anyone has a recommendation for a better one than tag&rename for windows, I'm all ears. :) command line tools that'd work under FreeBSD would be neat too. -- josh escobedo computer support international services (312) 355-2479 On Wed, May 11, 2005 3:37 pm, et...@sp... said: > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote: >> >> You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to >> write tags from the directory/file structure. > > Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK. > > Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag > genres. So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the > appropriate > bit. > > It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to > recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form. > It's not uncommon to do so. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Netjuke-users mailing list > Net...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > |
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From: Zak B. <za...@mo...> - 2005-05-11 20:45:54
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There's no set list of Genres. You can specify anything you want in that f= ield. I'm sure that one of the many many many Linux tag editors supports that fea= ture, it's a common thing in Windows tag editors these days. If the php option sounds better to you still, get to writing it. On Wed, 11 May 2005 et...@sp... wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote: > >=20 > > You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to > > write tags from the directory/file structure. >=20 > Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK. >=20 > Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag > genres. So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the appropria= te > bit. >=20 > It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to > recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form. > It's not uncommon to do so. >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7393&alloc_id=3D16281&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Netjuke-users mailing list > Net...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users >=20 --=20 Zak Brown www.mode3.com www.djzakbrown.com -- Science is a bit like the joke about the drunk who is looking under a lampp= ost for a key that he has lost on the other side of the street, because tha= t's where the light is. It has no other choice. =AD Noam Chomsky, June 1993 |
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From: <et...@sp...> - 2005-05-11 20:37:35
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On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Zak Brown wrote: > > You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to > write tags from the directory/file structure. Thanks, but I can't run those programs in Linux, AFAIK. Even if I could, I use genre names that are not part of the list of tag genres. So, it's unclear to me how I could tag things with the appropriate bit. It would be best, for my purposes, if I could somehow get netjuke to recognize that all of my mp3s are layed out in genre/artist/album form. It's not uncommon to do so. |
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From: Zak B. <za...@mo...> - 2005-05-11 20:09:10
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You can you an application like Tag&Rename or Abander Tag Control to write tags from the directory/file structure. On Wed, 11 May 2005 et...@sp... wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Art Morales wrote: > > <snip> > > I still like how > > netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, probably the > > order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit some songs to have > > the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's minor. > > Is there a way, in netjuke, to have it use the directory structure for > genre/title information, instead of the tags? > > I have tons of music organized in that fashion and can't figure out how to > get netjuke to use it. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Netjuke-users mailing list > Net...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > -- Zak Brown www.mode3.com www.djzakbrown.com -- "Only faggots want higher taxes." --Bush-Cheney '04 |
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From: <et...@sp...> - 2005-05-11 20:02:12
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On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Art Morales wrote: <snip> > I still like how > netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, probably the > order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit some songs to have > the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's minor. Is there a way, in netjuke, to have it use the directory structure for genre/title information, instead of the tags? I have tons of music organized in that fashion and can't figure out how to get netjuke to use it. |
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From: Art M. <bi...@gm...> - 2005-05-11 15:52:24
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Ok, I guess first impressions can be wrong. After getting a bit of help from the jinzora developers to fix an incompatibility with Mandrake 10.1 (php issue, easy to fix)... I finally got a working Jinzora2 install that looks like netjuke for the most part. I haven't tried editing any tracks yet, but I must say that I can learn to like this. The multiple interfaces are nice, and it is configurable enough that I can turn off things I don't particularly care for (album art, for example :) Anyways, if you guys are still on the fence, give Jinzora a try. Use the netjuke skin and it looks almost like netjuke 1.0rc2. It even works! It actually plenty fax on my 21500 song collection. I still like how netjuke reads tags (slightly different than jinzora, probably the order of id3v1 vs id3v2) that I will have to edit some songs to have the same organization I had with netjuke, but that's minor. Art |
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From: Arnoldo B. <ar...@be...> - 2005-05-01 00:39:24
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I just finished uninstalling jinzora. If Netjuke came with a jinzora interface I'd be happy to go along. Netjuke seems faster and has much better content management features. Jinzora wouldn't play nice with a sym link to the existing music directory, and yes I did check the permissions. Perhaps a merging of the project will result in a "best of both worlds" result. |
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From: John G. <ba...@wi...> - 2005-04-29 14:18:44
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Amen. I was initially very excited by the Jinzora eye candy, but have had the exact same experience as Elijah. The admin/management tools suck so badly as to be almost non-existent. If Jinzora3? has that interface built on a Netjuke infrastructure, THEN I will consider switching. Until that day, forget it! Good luck! Elijah Savage wrote: >This is truly a sad moment, I hope netjuke brings about a new jinzora >and very quick like at that. I just loaded it again for a 2nd time to >give it another try when I got this word and I am running into so many >bugs it is unreal. Things just flat out not working or partially >working, and then I post to the forum and usual most of my post go >unanswered. It takes 2 minutes for me to run a entire scan with netjuke >of all my music when I go through cleaning up my music/id3tags, it takes >50 minutes with jinzora2 and not only that both apps are running on the >same server and the jinz update max's out my client cpu at 100% while >updating for some reason yes I am talking about the machine I am using >the web browser on not my server. Also there is no way with Jinz to just >browse your folder and run a update of one folder every time you add or >delete an album you have to rescan your entire collection and once again >that takes me 50 minutes on my machines and a gigabit network. When I do >rescan with Jinz it does not take away the old references it just adds >to, so you end up with duplicates on your site. It also worries me that >I have seen the words "you get what you pay for" used in their forums a >lot, I am one of the ones that is more than willing to pay for netjuke 2 >when it was released. > >Server is FreeBSD running on a p4 2.4 1gig of mem >Client machine Athlon 2800 1gigDDR > >I am not sure how this app will improve netjuke but I hoping netjuke >will improve Jinzora quick like, ok enough complaining and not really >complaining just telling my experience so far. > >I understand the time issue and appreciate you doing what you can to >keep the project alive. > >Time will tell > >-----Original Message----- >From: net...@li... >[mailto:net...@li...] On Behalf Of Blake >Watters >Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:05 PM >To: Art Morales >Cc: net...@li...; >Net...@li... >Subject: [Netjuke-users] Re: [Netjuke-devel] [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released >- upcoming merger with Netjuke] > >Yes, this is real but it does not mean an end to Netjuke. Jinzora 2.0 >has an established user interface code base and two very dedicated >developers carrying the project forward. We have a good bit of code in >Netjuke 2 line, but have never managed to cultivate a rich user >interface experience because of lack of skillset and time on my part >(I'm the Netjuke lead)... > >So what we have done going forward is to merge our projects into a new >combined effort. This brings us twice the developers and essentially >twice the codebase to work with. I find Jinzora overly complicated and >not ideal, but I also find Netjuke 1.x very limiting and Netjuke 2.x >very immature. I hope to bring a more focused and user oriented >experience to Jinzora and raise the quality of their product while doing >the same for Netjuke. Jinzora 3.0 will probably be released as 'Netjuke >Technologies Jinzora' or some other combination there of. We are working >on compatibility layers in the near term to give Netjuke users a >consistent experience on an active codebase to hold out for the next >major release. > >I felt that merging with Jinzora was the best possible move I could make >to preserve Netjuke as a project and keep moving forward. My day job >work is pretty time consuming (software start-up), so I was simply >drowning in my vision for Netjuke 2. Jinzora complements those weak >spots, so I figure that in 6 months we can have the solution I've been >trying to build instead of another year+ at the current pace we were >moving as a separate project. > >The merger is proceeding like this: Ross Carlson (Jinzora Lead) and I >have been discussing project structure and architecture and have elected >to merge our codebases where appropriate to get the maximum value in a >unified project. Much of the architectural robustness, developer tools, >and miscellaneous feature code is moving into jinzora's source tree. >We're implementing trac for bug tracking and source control and moving >to subversion. > >All Netjuke code is available for forking and will continue to be >available in the future. Anybody who doesn't like my plan is invited to >fork the code base and proceed in whatever way they feel is appropriate. > >Blake > >On Apr 23, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Art Morales wrote: > > > >>Is this real? What's going to happen to my beloved netjuke? I like >>jinzora, but the netjuke implementation fits better for larger >>libraries >>(no preloading everything on the html). I tried both, but netjuke was >>such a better fit :) How is the merger going to happen? is Netjuke >>done >>and over with? Please, shed some light on this! >> >>Thanks, >> >>Art >> >>---------------------------- Original Message >>---------------------------- >>Subject: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke >>From: "Jinzora Announcement" <ann...@ji...> >>Date: Tue, April 19, 2005 10:37 pm >>To: ann...@ji... >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > >>---- >> >>Jinzora, the leading provider of web-based media management >>solutions announced today the release of Jinzora 2.0 and an upcoming >>merger with Netjuke. Jinzora, an open source cross-platform, web- >>based >>streaming media management application, enables people to quickly and >>easily organize and stream their digital music and video to any >>internet >>connected computer. Jinzora 2.0 introduces significant new features >>over >>its 1.1 predecessor and is the culmination of over a year of hard >>work by >>project leader Ross Carlson and chief software architect Ben >>Dodson. A >>brief list of Jinzora 2.0 enhancements is listed below. For a more >>detailed list of enhancements see the Changelog >>(http://www.jinzora.com/changelog/), drop by our downloads page >>(http://www.jinzora.com/pages.php?pn=downloads) and visit our Support >>Forums (http://www.jinzora.com/forums/) >> >>The Jinzora development team is also pleased to announce our upcoming >>merger with Netjuke, an open source, cross-platform, web-based >>streaming >>media jukebox powered by PHP 4. Blake Watters, project leader of >>Netjuke >>will soon be joining the Jinzora development team. Jinzora is >>committed >>to working closely with the Netjuke community to ease this >>transition and >>to ensure that both the Jinzora and Netjuke communities benefit as >>much >>as possible from this merger. Jinzora would like to thank Blake >>Watters >>for making this possible and we are very excited about working >>with Blake >>for future versions. >> >>Jinzora 2.0 feature enhancements >>* The ability to stream media outside of your web path >>* Quick import tracks - skip pulling tag data - pulled on the fly >>* Embedded players - have media stream to flash based (Wimpy, XSPF >>Player) >>or Windows Media Player embedded in a popup page * Dynamic image >>resizing >>- dramatically speed up viewing album art * "Who is where" and "Now >>streaming" blocks - see what's happening in real time * A Netjuke >>style >>interface to help people transition to Jinzora >>* Full support for Real Media (audio and video) >>* Ability to download full albums/tracks - displays the size of the >>download before the download begins * Server side playlist support >>- save >>and recall playlists >>* Full Jukebox support (MPD, Winamp, Audiotron, SlimServer) >>* Automatically pull metadata for artist/album information >>* Power Search page >>* The ability to view album art stored in the ID3 tags >>* Sort albums by year or album name >>* Upload media using a web based interface >>* On the fly resampling using Lame >>* User browsing history - easily go back to previous pages >>* Write images to the ID3 tags of tracks >>* "View all art" - see all albums by art on a single page >>* User registration engine - allow users to sign up to access a >>Jinzora >>based site * Dynamically create images for items missing album/ >>artist art >>* Request Manager - give users the ability to request tracks to be >>added >> >>About Jinzora >>Jinzora is the premiere web based media management solution >>capable of >>streaming both audio and video content to Internet or LAN based users. >>Jinzora also features a powerful jukebox module allowing for >>control of >>multiple software and hardware playback platforms. Jinzora's focus on >>ease of use and powerful interface design makes it the choice for web >>based media management. Whether you are a small user who wishes to >>access your media from anywhere or a large organization sharing >>media with >>the world, Jinzora is the most powerful solution available today. >>Founded in August of 2003 by Ross Carlson, Jinzora has grown to a >>team of >>8, with more than 20,000 installs and an estimated user base of >>6,000. >> >>Contact info: >>Jinzora Project Leader: Ross Carlson - ro...@ji... >>Jinzora Chief Software Architect: Ben Dodson - be...@ji... >>Netjuke Project Leader: Blake Watters - sb...@ib... >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide >>Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real >>users. >>Discover which products truly live up to the hype. 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